Jason Young to get new trial #2

[citygirl]

The term slayer was given by default.. And, it's that very term that has granted JY a 3rd trial. There is no proof CY was drugged, it was a theory to prove how and why she was able to be alone for so long.(if she was) Anyone who has ever had a 2 year old, knows you can't turn your back on them for one second, let alone hours and hours and hours. What does it matter whether Mr. Fisher was coming to town or not, he had another daughter in town, Meredith, I am sure he could have stayed with her. Homecoming weekend would be exactly the time to go get some furniture, so his friends would be in town to help him when he got back.

Yes, JY defaulted. He didn't protest. He didn't show up. Should he have been named father of the year? True about 2 year olds. Her father must have not felt that way. He left her alone with her brutally beaten mother for hours and hours and hours. Mr. Fisher was coming to stay with JY and MY. That was the plan. And your reasoning behind him heading to Brevard because his friends would be in town.......there are no words. Spin it anyway you want but it is spin.

 

[sunshine05]

For what it's worth, I was contacted recently by a TV producer for a new series that will feature cases where the verdict is questionable, uncertain and that the wrong person may be in prison serving time. They were interested in both this case and Cooper. I politely declined to be interviewed due to the fact that I would not want to risk possibly jeopardizing anything that could effect their cases. I gave them information on a couple of other cases that I have researched extensively and they are going to move forward on at least one of them. My point is that this IS a very questionable conviction and unless and until the case is reopened and further investigated (same with Cooper) uncertainty about the verdict will remain.

 

[JusticeFever]

Here is the gas mileage summary from trial 1:

http://youtu.be/--Olb3pkoLw

I sure am going to miss Bryan Collins in the next trial, this mileage chart is brillant and one of the things that helped me to realize JY never left the Hampton Inn.

 

[citygirl]

Plus, there were plenty of friends available for JY to contact about retrieving the print out if Meredith had not been able to do so. You are correct, CY was examined by a paramedic and if she had been drugged to the point she had been asleep for hours, it would be apparent. Even Michael Jackson had a doctor nearby because there is no such thing as a sleeping pill with no after effects. There have been daycare workers prosecuted for killing kids with overdoses of Benedryl.

JMO

Who were those friends? How come he never called them if he was so worried?

 

[sunshine05]

Yes, JY defaulted. He didn't protest. He didn't show up. Should he have been named father of the year? True about 2 year olds. Her father must have not felt that way. He left her alone with her brutally beaten mother for hours and hours and hours. Mr. Fisher was coming to stay with JY and MY. That was the plan. And your reasoning behind him heading to Brevard because his friends would be in town.......there are no words. Spin it anyway you want but it is spin.

We've been through this - responding to the civil suit would have cost hundreds of thousands of dollars only to likely lose anyhow and he would have been compelled to sit through a deposition/interrogation.

 

[JusticeFever]

For what it's worth, I was contacted recently by a TV producer for a new series that will feature cases where the verdict is questionable, uncertain and that the wrong person may be in prison serving time. They were interested in both this case and Cooper. I politely declined to be interviewed due to the fact that I would not want to risk possibly jeopardizing anything that could effect their cases. I gave them information on a couple of other cases that I have researched extensively and they are going to move forward on at least one of them. My point is that this IS a very questionable conviction and unless and until the case is reopened and further investigated (same with Cooper) uncertainty about the verdict will remain.

Wow, this is very impressive!

 

[JusticeFever]

Yes, JY defaulted. He didn't protest. He didn't show up. Should he have been named father of the year? True about 2 year olds. Her father must have not felt that way. He left her alone with her brutally beaten mother for hours and hours and hours. Mr. Fisher was coming to stay with JY and MY. That was the plan. And your reasoning behind him heading to Brevard because his friends would be in town.......there are no words. Spin it anyway you want but it is spin.

Is it necessary to tell another poster that their posts are spin because you don't agree with them?

 

[oenophile]

This isn't about different opinions. It is a fact that the CE doesn't hold up to scrutiny.

In all fairness, evaluating the CE and drawing a conclusion isn't a fact either, it is an opinion. And I agree with you that it doesn't hold up to scrutiny, but it is still an opinion.

 

[sunshine05]

In all fairness, evaluating the CE and drawing a conclusion isn't a fact either, it is an opinion. And I agree with you that it doesn't hold up to scrutiny, but it is still an opinion.

By fact I mean that the evidence must be fact based, ie. JY's fingerprints on the camera proving he touched it is fact based CE but the State's assertion that he "could have" tampered with it is not fact based. Nothing directly ties him to that. In so many cases they talk about a series of CE that ties the person to the crime but in this case the CE does not do that. It is not a matter of opinion that it does or doesn't. Specifically referring to the cameras - it is not CE because he is not tied to it.

 

[sunshine05]

More about CE --- If we have evidence of prints on the camera, footage of him in King, cell phone usage between Raleigh and Hillsville that morning ---- all of these things would qualify as CE, most certainly. When we start prefacing everything with "could have" it no longer qualifies as CE that can link him to the crime. Anyone "could have" done lots of things.

 

[citygirl]

Again I will state what happened......JY was never called a suspect in the beginnings of this henious tragedy. Le asked questions when the spoke to Ryan, etc......again, asking questions is not an implication of being a suspect. Of course by the time they got to Raleigh LE was suspicious. JY basically hid from them....even hiding in the bed with Cassidy refusing to come out when Meredith tried to convey to JY LE only had questions.....questions to AID the investigation. JY and JY alone could answer questions about the house, their routine, etc no one could.

You nor anyone else here is going to convince me JY nor anyone asked WHAT HAPPENED and that is supposed to be a normal reaction??? Not one "What happened" not one "How did she die" not one "Was this an accident" "Was it pregnancy related? That is simply no what majority of the population would do.....not now, not ever.

Come on now.....many may think the average population is "blind" to the arguments defending such behavior, but believe me we are NOT. And I will say this over and over....Many of us are not!!!!

He wouldn't even face LE to hand over his car keys. He gave them to his BIL.

 

[oenophile]

By fact I mean that the evidence must be fact based, ie. JY's fingerprints on the camera proving he touched it is fact based CE but the State's assertion that he "could have" tampered with it is not fact based. Nothing directly ties him to that. In so many cases they talk about a series of CE that ties the person to the crime but in this case the CE does not do that. It is not a matter of opinion that it does or doesn't. Specifically referring to the cameras - it is not CE because he is not tied to it.

Sortof. It is a fact that the camera was tampered with. It is not a fact that he tampered with it. And there is no evidence that connects him with the camera.

Something can be valid circumstantial evidence, but the amount of corroborating evidence associated with it should factor in to how much weight you give it. In this case, the camera has no corroborating evidence, and so should be weighted accordingly.

 

[oenophile]

He wouldn't even face LE to hand over his car keys. He gave them to his BIL.

And that is exactly what he should have done.

 

[JusticeFever]

I think it is quite possible that CY could at least try to put her shoes on herself. It is difficult getting into the mind of a two-year-old, but in general they can be very resourceful when they want or need to be. It is reasonable that she was trying to dress herself in the absence of her mother. Or that she was trying to wake up her mother, etc., believing her to be asleep. Even the fact that it is two different shoes is more consistent with a two year old than with someone removing her from the house.

I guess it would be helpful to know if CY usually wore shoes around the house. A lot of 2 year olds associate shoes with going out.

 

[citygirl]

And that is exactly what he should have done.

Yeah. That's what a guilty man would do. Not enough gumption to even show his face. MOO.

 

[JusticeFever]

According to Michelle Money's testimony, JY was excited about picking up the furniture in Brevard and bringing it back to Raleigh. She testified that MY told Jason that he could decorate the loft/bonus room the way he wanted. And, since JY wasn't crazy about the idea of LF moving in with them, he probably thought the sooner he started on it, the better it would be to have a reason not to let her move in. And, his friends coming in from out of town, would be there in Raleigh to help him.

 

[JusticeFever]

And that is exactly what he should have done.

Agree, he was tired, in shock and knew he was under suspicion. He showed up for his NTO, I know, court order, but he showed!

 

[JusticeFever]

I hope we hear something soon, getting close to June. A new trial was ordered April 1st, almost 2 months now. I guess another 30-60 days. If the court denies the state's request, Jason will be moved to jail in Raleigh. Then a court hearing for bail. If the NC Supreme Court decides to honor the state's request to be heard, both sides will have a chance to argue their position. But, since it was a unanimous 3-0 decision, the first scenario is the most likely.

 

[Nymeria]

I was listening to *Russell Holley's testimony this afternoon and BLOOD was found in CY's shoe!! Those shoes have been bothering me since I saw the photo of them in the bed!! So, could CY put her shoes on herself? Or, did someone else do it? Shelly testified that MY had to put CY's socks on.The black shoe testified POSITIVE for the presence of blood.
2 differerent shoes,1 dress shoe and 1 flip flop, how did that happen and if she had been wearing them in the home, why no little shoeprint? This goes with the theory CY could have been taken from the home, per their search warrant.
* A serologist for the SBI Crime Lab

http://www.wral.com/specialreports/michelleyoung/video/10736235/

around the 40 minute mark. Evidence #168 and #168A

Maybe she was barefoot walking around the house, then when she climbed into bed she put the different shoes on, then took them off again?
Little kids do all kinds of random things.
She may have gotten it into her head that she should get shoes on, grabbed a couple, taken them to the bed and climbed in and put the shoes on, then just took them right off again.
That would explain no shoe prints in the house.

(I must be missing something in that it goes with a theory that she was taken from the home...).


ETA- I posted before I saw oenophiles post....so, sorry for being redundant!

 

[JusticeFever]

Maybe she was barefoot walking around the house, then when she climbed into bed she put the different shoes on, then took them off again?
Little kids do all kinds of random things.
She may have gotten it into her head that she should get shoes on, grabbed a couple, taken them to the bed and climbed in and put the shoes on, then just took them right off again.
That would explain no shoe prints in the house.

(I must be missing something in that it goes with a theory that she was taken from the home...).


ETA- I posted before I saw oenophiles post....so, sorry for being redundant!

It was LE's theory, I posted the link to the search warrant many times with the reasoning behind it. They thought due to the clean condition of the child that she had been removed from the home.