Jason Young to get new trial #2

[oenophile]

Yeah. That's what a guilty man would do. Not enough gumption to even show his face. MOO.

And what an innocent man would do, as having no engagement with LE outside of the presence of an attorney is the way to protect your innocence.

LE is deceptive (which they will readily admit) and more than willing to twist someone's words in order to get their desired outcome. Watch the video on why never to talk to the police.

 

[sunshine05]

I hope we hear something soon, getting close to June. A new trial was ordered April 1st, almost 2 months now. I guess another 30-60 days. If the court denies the state's request, Jason will be moved to jail in Raleigh. Then a court hearing for bail. If the NC Supreme Court decides to honor the state's request to be heard, both sides will have a chance to argue their position. But, since it was a unanimous 3-0 decision, the first scenario is the most likely.

If I recall, the State didn't petition the SC until early May so we're probably looking at 3-4 months from that time. It could be early September before we hear anything. It is such a slow process. Plus, look at BC - he is waiting with no word of a new trial being scheduled.

 

[sunshine05]

Maybe she was barefoot walking around the house, then when she climbed into bed she put the different shoes on, then took them off again?
Little kids do all kinds of random things.
She may have gotten it into her head that she should get shoes on, grabbed a couple, taken them to the bed and climbed in and put the shoes on, then just took them right off again.
That would explain no shoe prints in the house.

(I must be missing something in that it goes with a theory that she was taken from the home...).


ETA- I posted before I saw oenophiles post....so, sorry for being redundant!

The blood found on CY's shoe is just one more piece of CE that points to JY's innocence. If we want to stick with the State's theory --- that he cleaned her up and then drugged her and put her to bed, how could she possibly be up and sitting in the master bed and putting shoes on her feet after he's gone? She was clean when she was found. Clearly she had blood on her feet when the shoe was placed on her foot. I'm not sure how the State's theory can account for this.

 

[Landonsmom02]

More about CE --- If we have evidence of prints on the camera, footage of him in King, cell phone usage between Raleigh and Hillsville that morning ---- all of these things would qualify as CE, most certainly. When we start prefacing everything with "could have" it no longer qualifies as CE that can link him to the crime. Anyone "could have" done lots of things.

All this that is mentioned would be direct evidence, not CE.

 

[dgfred]

And what an innocent man would do, as having no engagement with LE outside of the presence of an attorney is the way to protect your innocence.

LE is deceptive (which they will readily admit) and more than willing to twist someone's words in order to get their desired outcome. Watch the video on why never to talk to the police.

You don't think having other family members around is enough?

Would you not want to help at all as he did? Would you asked 'what happened to my wife'?

If you did nothing at all I see NO problem with talking to LE... alone or with family/lawyer but that is just me.

There is absolutely nothing they can do to you... if you did nothing.

Twisting someone's words can not turn them into the murderer IMO.

 

[sunshine05]

All this that is mentioned would be direct evidence, not CE.

That's incorrect. It would all be CE of the involvement in the murder and that is what we're talking about here.

Direct evidence would be a surveillance video of him committing the crime (not of him buying gas). Direct evidence is rare.

 

[dgfred]

The blood found on CY's shoe is just one more piece of CE that points to JY's innocence. If we want to stick with the State's theory --- that he cleaned her up and then drugged her and put her to bed, how could she possibly be up and sitting in the master bed and putting shoes on her feet after he's gone? She was clean when she was found. Clearly she had blood on her feet when the shoe was placed on her foot. I'm not sure how the State's theory can account for this.

So you are thinking she cleaned her own feet?

Were they completely cleaned?

Would walking in blood, then around the bathroom and back clean the feet (by the carpet/rugs)?

Could she have put her own shoe on?
Was her shoe taken off immediately to find the spot of blood and see that the rest of her foot/feet were clean???

This is a confusing thing IMO.

 

[Landonsmom02]

According to Michelle Money's testimony, JY was excited about picking up the furniture in Brevard and bringing it back to Raleigh. She testified that MY told Jason that he could decorate the loft/bonus room the way he wanted. And, since JY wasn't crazy about the idea of LF moving in with them, he probably thought the sooner he started on it, the better it would be to have a reason not to let her move in. And, his friends coming in from out of town, would be there in Raleigh to help him.

BBM

Sorry but I disagree. His friends were coming in town for the NCSU game, which was planned. The Brevard trip was not planned until that morning when he called his stepdad. I know he had planned on bringing back items when they went at Thanksgiving but this was a last minute trip. His friends were coming in to attend the game and to tailgate. I find it highly unlikely that he would detour to Brevard to spend the night when they had plans that weekend. IF that was his intent, to pick up furniture, he could have easily made it back that night and still attended the game the next day. Leaving the next day would have hendered him tailgating and attending the game with MY and friends. Also don't you think he made it a point to say certain things to MM that day, as to collaborate his alibi?

 

[sunshine05]

You don't think having other family members around is enough?

Would you not want to help at all as he did? Would you asked 'what happened to my wife'?

If you did nothing at all I see NO problem with talking to LE... alone or with family/lawyer but that is just me.

There is absolutely nothing they can do to you... if you did nothing.

Twisting someone's words can not turn them into the murderer IMO.

Sadly, twisting words can be used to incriminate a person so it is very unwise to speak to police unless some precautions are taken. I will give you an example to ponder.

First, I believe the accused can protect themselves if they really want to speak to police by insisting that the interview be recorded. This would eliminate their ability to lie and their ability to twist things. Unfortunately, most of the time they do not record the interviews so it is the police's word versus the accused and that's when the person becomes vulnerable.

Example: In the Cooper case, Brad gave police the dress Nancy had worn to the party the day after she disappeared. They had been unable to find it the night before for the canine search so they ended up using her shoe instead. Here's where they twisted things --- This was an unrecorded interview. Police have in their handwritten notes "Dress found in hamper in bedroom". Nothing else. ----- Six months later ---- The detective "updated" his narrative in the computer to now state "Dress smelled like Downy." "Brad stated that he washed the dress."

This was however a problem for police because the SBI tested the dress and found a grease-like food stain and deodorant streaks near the arm pit area of the dress ---- it was not washed. Consider how incriminating this is for Brad --- the CE --- the suggestion that he washed the dress to cover up a murder. But it wasn't CE at all because it was a lie. There is concrete evidence that the dress was not washed.

Had the interview been recorded, the police would not have been able to update their notes with "He said the dress was washed and it smelled like Downy."

I hope that gives you a better understanding of how this can happen and why people are cautioned about speaking to police.

 

[sunshine05]

BBM

Sorry but I disagree. His friends were coming in town for the NCSU game, which was planned. The Brevard trip was not planned until that morning when he called his stepdad. I know he had planned on bringing back items when they went at Thanksgiving but this was a last minute trip. His friends were coming in to attend the game and to tailgate. I find it highly unlikely that he would detour to Brevard to spend the night when they had plans that weekend. IF that was his intent, to pick up furniture, he could have easily made it back that night and still attended the game the next day. Leaving the next day would have hendered him tailgating and attending the game with MY and friends. Also don't you think he made it a point to say certain things to MM that day, as to collaborate his alibi?

First, I believe he spoke to AF the night before so knew at that time that he wasn't coming to town. He then called his friend and invited them and this was before he left for his business trip.

I don't see anything odd about the stop in Brevard because one of his appointments was close to that area. I think most people would stop by and visit family if they weren't too far away for work related things.

I don't know what time the football game was. If it was a 4:00 game, that would have given him plenty of time to get back to Raleigh in time for tailgating, having friends over or whatever. I guess if it was a 1:00 game, he would have had to leave early to get back to Raleigh but again, I don't find the stop to be odd since he at this point would have done quite a bit of driving already that day with his appointments.

 

[sunshine05]

So you are thinking she cleaned her own feet?

Were they completely cleaned?

Would walking in blood, then around the bathroom and back clean the feet (by the carpet/rugs)?

Could she have put her own shoe on?
Was her shoe taken off immediately to find the spot of blood and see that the rest of her foot/feet were clean???

This is a confusing thing IMO.

No, I don't think she cleaned them. I think a possible scenario may have been --- the killer(s) cleaned her hands and feet but not completely --- there was still trace blood on her one foot and then they put shoes on her to take her somewhere to clean her up, washed her pajamas and then back to the house. The blood in the shoe wasn't visible by eye so the killer wouldn't have even thought about it.

The important point to me is that she was cleaned up and then the shoe was placed on her foot - either by herself or someone else and that doesn't work with JY cleaning her up and putting her to bed because I don't see her putting a shoe on at 3:30AM after being drugged. (according to State's theory)

I agree though - it is confusing. It's so hard to know what really happened.

 

[Landonsmom02]

So you are thinking she cleaned her own feet?

Were they completely cleaned?

Would walking in blood, then around the bathroom and back clean the feet (by the carpet/rugs)?

Could she have put her own shoe on?Was her shoe taken off immediately to find the spot of blood and see that the rest of her foot/feet were clean???

This is a confusing thing IMO.

BBM

I think it makes more sense that a 2 year old will grab 2 different shoes and having 2 different shoes doesn't point to her being taken out of the home. Again, if she was, wouldn't she have told somebody?????

 

[tarheellvr]

First, I believe he spoke to AF the night before so knew at that time that he wasn't coming to town. He then called his friend and invited them and this was before he left for his business trip.

I don't see anything odd about the stop in Brevard because one of his appointments was close to that area. I think most people would stop by and visit family if they weren't too far away for work related things.

I don't know what time the football game was. If it was a 4:00 game, that would have given him plenty of time to get back to Raleigh in time for tailgating, having friends over or whatever. I guess if it was a 1:00 game, he would have had to leave early to get back to Raleigh but again, I don't find the stop to be odd since he at this point would have done quite a bit of driving already that day with his appointments.

Driving to Brevard was completely out of his way.....his appt was not very close. I find this odd, very odd indeed.

JY was known for his partying.....it was well known among friends he would get drunk at the "drop of a hat." Miss tailgating? Miss partying with friends....especially out-of-town friends? No way....no way!!
After all missing a chance to show off his penis tricks and peeing in his pants while drunk ............not likely.

 

[tarheellvr]

BBM

I think it makes more sense that a 2 year old will grab 2 different shoes and having 2 different shoes doesn't point to her being taken out of the home. Again, if she was, wouldn't she have told somebody?????

Yes, Landonsmom she would have.......As far as the shoes, my daughter would get out all her shoes and put them into bed with her at naptime and many times at bedtime.....just something she did. I envision Cassidy doing the same.

 

[oenophile]

You don't think having other family members around is enough?

Would you not want to help at all as he did? Would you asked 'what happened to my wife'?

If you did nothing at all I see NO problem with talking to LE... alone or with family/lawyer but that is just me.

There is absolutely nothing they can do to you... if you did nothing.

Twisting someone's words can not turn them into the murderer IMO.

Sadly, you are wrong about this.

Here is the video to which I refer:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6wXkI4t7nuc

It is long, the first half is a defense attorney on why you should never talk to police, and the second half is a police officer on how they can use your words against you, explaining why you should never talk to police. They can do a lot to you even though you did nothing.

 

[sunshine05]

Driving to Brevard was completely out of his way.....his appt was not very close. I find this odd, very odd indeed.

JY was known for his partying.....it was well known among friends he would get drunk at the "drop of a hat." Miss tailgating? Miss partying with friends....especially out-of-town friends?

Actually, he also had a second appointment at Transylvania Regional Hospital which was about 5 miles from his mom's house.

No one is suggesting that he was planning to miss tailgating. Edited to add: It was a 7PM game.
2006 Georgia Tech Yellow Jackets football team - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[sunshine05]

Yes, Landonsmom she would have.......As far as the shoes, my daughter would get out all her shoes and put them into bed with her at naptime and many times at bedtime.....just something she did. I envision Cassidy doing the same.

The shoe was on her foot at some point. The shoe was found in the master bed. There was no visible blood on her so it is possible that she had the shoe on before she was cleaned up - whether she was removed from the house or not. It's worthy of discussion.

 

[JusticeFever]

And what an innocent man would do, as having no engagement with LE outside of the presence of an attorney is the way to protect your innocence.

LE is deceptive (which they will readily admit) and more than willing to twist someone's words in order to get their desired outcome. Watch the video on why never to talk to the police.

Even when Jason did speak right at the beginning , for instance with Heather, his words were taken out of context.

 

[JusticeFever]

If I recall, the State didn't petition the SC until early May so we're probably looking at 3-4 months from that time. It could be early September before we hear anything. It is such a slow process. Plus, look at BC - he is waiting with no word of a new trial being scheduled.

Thank you, this could take forever, and I am sure the state isn't in any hurry. The last time JY made bail, he was out for about 8-9 months. BC is up first, I know, with no chance for bail because he is not a US citizen.

 

[sunshine05]

Regarding Jason's decision to go to Brevard, after his appointment in Clintwood, he would have had to travel south to get to I-40 anyhow so it really was not out of the way for him to go to Brevard.

Also, the NC State football game on Saturday was at 7PM so plenty of time to get back to Raleigh in time to tailgate and visit with friends.