Jason Young to get new trial #3

[SStarr33]

Thank you! #18 shows a clear view from the door to the edge of the counter. But even better? #27 clearly shows a kitchen door! That's where the bloody print was on the doorknob! The perp was in the kitchen. He saw the purse. And he didn't touch it. Interesting.

Oh and to add to that, wrong counter. Look at the floor plan that otto posted for orientation.

 

[sunshine05]

Unreal. So, the perp could have gone into her wallet and no one knows it.

What a complete joke.

Yes, but it doesn't really matter because foreign prints were found on the medicine cap in CY's room and on the jewelry box and no one cares. If they found foreign prints on her wallet, they would say, "who cares?" too. I do hope they run them through the databases again to see if they get a match before a new trial.

 

[otto]

Thank you! #18 shows a clear view from the door to the edge of the counter. But even better? #27 clearly shows a kitchen door! That's where the bloody print was on the doorknob! The perp was in the kitchen. He saw the purse. And he didn't touch it. Interesting.

Image #27 is the door to the hallway that leads past the small bathroom to the front door. The doorknob with the blood is at the bottom of the stairs leading to the garage. In documents, it is referred to as the kitchen door leading to the garage, but that particular door is not in the kitchen wall. There is a cased opening between the kitchen and the stairwell.

 

[otto]

I've rotated the floor plan to align with the camera view. Looking at it now, it probably doesn't help ... but the person taking the photo was standing in the kitchen facing the front entrance, not standing in the kitchen facing the stairs. (I just don't want to take the time to create illustrations for such an old case)

 

[citygirl]

He couldn't have found out @1:00 as the 911 call was at 1:30.

He had spoken to a lawyer by phone and he had a heads up from friends that police were very suspicious of him. Innocent people need to be especially careful because nothing was planned and because things in their life could potentially look suspicious. (Consider MM affair)

A killer will have planned everything out for the premeditated crime so could actually appear to look less suspicious.

I have to say that there was a time in my life where I said and thought the same thing --- What's there to hide? Talk to police. They're good, they just want to help find the killer. Now I know differently after watching the Cooper trial just how badly things can go and I would never talk to them and would advise all of my friends not to either. I would answer written questions from them, maybe but that is it.

Many, many people have been exonerated from faulty police investigations when many years later new evidence comes to light. It happens and you can't be too careful. They don't always have your best interest at heart when trying to solve a crime. They do get tunnel vision especially with a spouse.

However, even though JY opted not to talk to police, ironically he was convicted for that very reason. The jurors heard that he refused to talk, refused to respond to the civil claims and that was really the main difference btwn trial 1 and 2 and we know how the jury voted in trial 1. So, remaining silent actually was used against him. Yes, it was overturned because of that, but the prejudice of a conviction is difficult to overcome by anyone. He will have to face a 3rd trial with the jury knowing that he was already convicted of the crime. That can never be undone. What was done to him was extremely harmful and in my opinion the State should drop the charges and let him go. If they had solid evidence they never would have resorted to unlawful tactics to win. They were desperate and crossed their fingers that it wouldn't come back on appeal and they lost but the can is kicked down the road now for a new DA to deal with.

I just tried to answer this thought by thought. Hilighted my answers but it didn't work. So here we go.

Exactly when had he spoken to an attorney by phone? Where is that documented? The info we've had is that they were still searching for someone in the evening.

What killer has ever planned the perfect crime? People make mistakes.

Has your distrust of LE precluded your calling them if you need them?

The state resorted to unlawful tactics? Do you mean introducing the civil suit or is there more?

 

[citygirl]

I thought it was the door to the garage that had the blood.

Nope. It said the kitchen door leading to the garage.

 

[citygirl]

It's not that a 2 year old child is a poorly behaved child at the time of challenging boundaries. Two year old children normally push the boundaries because they are learning. It is normal for a 2 year old to do the opposite of what that child is told. That said, Jason's daughter understood that biting resulted in a spanking, so clearly she had some experience with misbehaving.

No disrespect but I think many mothers on this board are well versed in raising children. Been there done that.

 

[sunshine05]

I just tried to answer this thought by thought. Hilighted my answers but it didn't work. So here we go.

Exactly when had he spoken to an attorney by phone? Where is that documented? The info we've had is that they were still searching for someone in the evening.

What killer has ever planned the perfect crime? People make mistakes.

Has your distrust of LE precluded your calling them if you need them?

The state resorted to unlawful tactics? Do you mean introducing the civil suit or is there more?

I believe there was testimony about him contacting a lawyer. I will try to find it and post it.

Yes, killers can make mistakes certainly but as I said they are planning a crime so they will have made an effort to cover their tracks. An innocent person - their whole life becomes exposed -- ie. affairs, etc. This is why I believe his phone calls were so inconsistent with what a killer would do. How stupid to call your mistress first thing in the morning after committing the crime. A killer would have avoided a stupid mistake like that, common sense.

Yes, presenting the civil suit stuff was unlawful and they knew it. The judge knew it too.

Would I call police if I needed help? Yes, of course. I pay my taxes. Would I speak to them if I was under suspicion for something I didn't do? No way.

 

[JusticeFever]

Again people do things different. And yes I have seen thsoe pictures cause you have mentioned it 100 times. See police take pictures of crime scenes before and after things are moved. They do move things to inspect them.

Umm, I doubt I have posted anything 100 times, so maybe that is an exaggeration on your part. Crime scene photos are supposed to be photographed to preserve the crime scene and evidence exactly as it is found, not to move things around...and, if they could move one thing, then they could have also moved another, like MY's purse.

 

[citygirl]

All of the discussion about the purse won't get us anywhere but I agree there is something odd about it being on the floor. With a desk right there and this is a big house, there would be no reason to set a purse on the floor.

MF mentioned the purse in the 911 call so she clearly wanted to draw attention to it it seems.

She clearly wanted to draw attention to it? On the 911 call? Are you kidding me? That's your assumption right?

 

[SStarr33]

Nope. It said the kitchen door leading to the garage.

Same difference.

You were wrong about the door. See otto's posting above

 

[citygirl]

Does this BFF have a name? Why would Jason permit people to tour the crime scene? That sounds very odd.

Jason's sister and a friend of the family cleaned out the house, but I don't recall any people "visiting" the house due to curiosity about the bloody murder scene. At the time that Jason's sister and a family friend cleaned the house, they found Michelle's tooth.

Because he didn't care! The deed was done. He accomplished his mission. IMO.

 

[SStarr33]

Yes, but it doesn't really matter because foreign prints were found on the medicine cap in CY's room and on the jewelry box and no one cares. If they found foreign prints on her wallet, they would say, "who cares?" too. I do hope they run them through the databases again to see if they get a match before a new trial.

Excellent point about the foreign prints. They were on a roll to railroad JY and nothing would get in their way.

Do you know if there is such thing as an independent person to do the submitting to the database? And if he can sue the state if he is found innocent?

 

[citygirl]

Oh and to add to that, wrong counter. Look at the floor plan that otto posted for orientation.

It's not the wrong counter. I don't need her floor plan. I've seen pictures of the house and it is the proper orientation.

 

[JusticeFever]

I've rotated the floor plan to align with the camera view. Looking at it now, it probably doesn't help ... but the person taking the photo was standing in the kitchen facing the front entrance, not standing in the kitchen facing the stairs. (I just don't want to take the time to create illustrations for such an old case)

:snipped photo for space:

Lets clear this up, there was one door off to the side of the kitchen, but not actually in the kitchen, that led to the garage, That was the door that had blood on the doorknob. Coming in that door would also lead to the stairs to the 2nd floor, correct, Otto?

 

[otto]

Nope. It said the kitchen door leading to the garage.

That's right. However, there is no door between the kitchen and the garage. There is a cased opening between the kitchen and the stairs that lead to the garage.

 

[SStarr33]

It's not the wrong counter. I don't need her floor plan. I've seen pictures of the house and it is the proper orientation.

Yes it is. The one you pointed out is the counter next to the cooktop, not the desk. The purse was found next to the desk, not next to the stove.

 

[otto]

Because he didn't care! The deed was done. He accomplished his mission. IMO.

I need to see a link for the claim that Jason allowed his unnamed "BFF" to be a tourist at the crime scene. That simply did not happen.

 

[citygirl]

I believe there was testimony about him contacting a lawyer. I will try to find it and post it.

Yes, killers can make mistakes certainly but as I said they are planning a crime so they will have made an effort to cover their tracks. An innocent person - their whole life becomes exposed -- ie. affairs, etc. This is why I believe his phone calls were so inconsistent with what a killer would do. How stupid to call your mistress first thing in the morning after committing the crime. A killer would have avoided a stupid mistake like that, common sense.

Yes, presenting the civil suit stuff was unlawful and they knew it. The judge knew it too.

Would I call police if I needed help? Yes, of course. I pay my taxes. Would I speak to them if I was under suspicion for something I didn't do? No way.

No need to go looking it up (about the lawyer). IMO, killers don't have common sense.

 

[citygirl]

I need to see a link for the claim that Jason allowed his unnamed "BFF" to be a tourist at the crime scene. That simply did not happen.

What do you mean it simply didn't happen? I believe her. And it makes no difference. The bigger point is that JY never went back to his house. I know. He was devastated and grieving and caring for his beloved daughter.