Jason Young to get new trial #4

[Boodles]

Originally Posted by Boodles
Nah. He's only presumed innocent in the the justice system for purposes of prosecution. Presumption of innocence is only a legal concept, not reality.

He killed his wife and is guilty, per the evidence presented in 2 trials, IMO.

I watched both trials. And you're welcome.

 

[sunshine05]

If you know, does JY's family spend time with CY?

Yes, they do spend time with her.

 

[citygirl]

I linked the Custody Application Affidavit upthread. It is definitely a custody application. Applications for visitation are something completely different.

And moot. IMO.

 

[tarheellvr]

Some people might think that it is "beyond horrible" for in laws to try to take custody of children away from parents.

And there are those who think a little girl living with the father who murdered her Mommy is beyond horrible.

 

[otto]

And moot. IMO.

I'm afraid I don't understand. It is repeatedly stated that Jason's in-laws wanted visitation with his daughter and that is why they filed for custody. If they wanted visitation, they would have filed for visitation. If they want custody, then they apply for custody with an affidavit that does everything possible to destroy the reputation of the parent. That is exactly what happened, so this was not about visitation.

 

[otto]

And there are those who think a little girl living with the father who murdered her Mommy is beyond horrible.

At this time, the case is unsolved.

 

[sunshine05]

I read on an earlier post you believed Raven A. to be guilty and it was pathetic to see the deal he got. I agree with that completely. What about Raven's case convinced you he was guilty beyond a reasonable doubt. I believe most of the evidence was CE like the JY case. so I'd be really interested on your thoughts about evidence in Raven's case.

I can answer this, though it's not directed at me. I had a real problem with the missing knife collection and missing computer. Plus the comments he made to the witness that implied that she was still alive when he saw her.

 

[tarheellvr]

If in-laws want visitation, then they should apply for visitation. If they want full custody, then they apply for full custody, but that has nothing to do with visitation. Why would the in-laws be completely shocked when their custody application was successful? They completely trashed Jason in their application and demanded a psych eval. Even parents that have done nothing wrong will back away from an attack like that.

The Fishers didn't have to trash JY, he trashed himself. It was HIS behavior written about in the suit and it was HIS behavior that led to these extreme measures.

Parents who have done nothing wrong will go to h*ll and back to keep their children. They will also want what is best for their children and will do anything and everything in making decisions that are psychologically what is best for their child. Severing ties with close relatives, especially Mommy's closest relatives, is far from putting their child first.

 

[tarheellvr]

Case is soooooooooooo frustrating sometimes. The public was told there was no forced entry to the home, but neglected to also tell people the doors to the Young home were seldom locked and access to the home could be made just by lifting the garage door up.

Then there is the 1693 days JY didn't talk, well, guess what? That also gave the state 1693 days to prepare in case he did. Did they look prepared? Do you think they had any questions ready, just in case, oh, I don't know, the defendant might take the stand?

Want to know where Jason's shirt is? Ask Becky Holt why she didn't ask him that when she had him less than 20 feet away on the stand and she could ask him any and every question in the world.

Just release every search warrant with every single theory, proven or unproven, and I am sure by the time the trial hits a courtroom, you could find a million people to convict JY without a doubt.

I totally agree.........because IMO and the opinion of others he is beyond guilty.

 

[otto]

The Fishers didn't have to trash JY, he trashed himself. It was HIS behavior written about in the suit and it was HIS behavior that led to these extreme measures.

Parents who have done nothing wrong will go to h*ll and back to keep their children. They will also want what is best for their children and will do anything and everything in making decisions that are psychologically what is best for their child. Severing ties with close relatives, especially Mommy's closest relatives, is far from putting their child first.

I'm pretty sure that some of the paragraphs in the affidavit relate to a time prior to the birth of the child. As a matter of fact, parents that are accused of crazy things will back off simply because they don't want to give life to the allegations.

Regardless, Jason's decisions for his daughter are his business and have nothing to do with Michelle's murder.

 

[tarheellvr]

At this time, the case is unsolved.

that depends on who you ask.......

 

[sunshine05]

The Fishers didn't have to trash JY, he trashed himself. It was HIS behavior written about in the suit and it was HIS behavior that led to these extreme measures.

Parents who have done nothing wrong will go to h*ll and back to keep their children. They will also want what is best for their children and will do anything and everything in making decisions that are psychologically what is best for their child. Severing ties with close relatives, especially Mommy's closest relatives, is far from putting their child first.

It's easy to sit back and judge when you aren't in that situation yourself. I'd be willing to bet that if your spouse was murdered and you were a suspect and your in-laws were saying negative things about you and flat out accusing you of the crime, you would do everything in your power to shield your children from that talk.

I think the problem here is that some of you can't even stop to consider that JY could be innocent. If you pretend that he is for a second and consider what he was put through, the harsh judgement would disappear. The fact is, there is no evidence that he ever left the HI that night.

Also, we've been through this so many times. When you are a suspect in a crime, it is unwise to subject yourself to a 7-8 hour long deposition. It simply is. It doesn't mean the person doesn't love their children if they decline to participate. Additionally, responding to a suit like this requires hiring attorneys and it costs hundreds of thousands of dollars.

 

[otto]

that depends on who you ask.......

According to the courts, the case is unsolved.

 

[tarheellvr]

I'm pretty sure that some of the paragraphs in the affidavit relate to a time prior to the birth of the child. As a matter of fact, parents that are accused of crazy things will back off simply because they don't want to give life to the allegations.

Regardless, Jason's decisions for his daughter are his business and have nothing to do with Michelle's murder.

Yes they are, but they are also indicative of who JY truly is.

Nobody will ever convince me a parent who had his child;s best interest at heart would just hand her over because of an exam and deposition. You don't simply "back off" when your children are involved.....you just don't. I would fight until I was dead if I had to in order to keep my children and I don't think I'm alone.

 

[sunshine05]

Yes they are, but they are also indicative of who JY truly is.

Nobody will ever convince me a parent who had his child;s best interest at heart would just hand her over because of an exam and deposition. You don't simply "back off" when your children are involved.....you just don't. I would fight until I was dead if I had to in order to keep my children and I don't think I'm alone.

Right, look how that turned out for Brad Cooper and he loved his kids and would have done anything to keep them. Two weeks after the custody hearing and thousands of dollars later he was indicted. It is nothing but a trap to give the state ammunition to claim there are inconsistencies with their statements and to gain the ability to prosecute them. It does not matter if they are innocent or guilty. Anyone can be deemed to have inconsistencies.

 

[otto]

Yes they are, but they are also indicative of who JY truly is.

Nobody will ever convince me a parent who had his child;s best interest at heart would just hand her over because of an exam and deposition. You don't simply "back off" when your children are involved.....you just don't. I would fight until I was dead if I had to in order to keep my children and I don't think I'm alone.

It's probably not uncommon for people to believe that a non-custodial parent is a very bad person.

 

[tarheellvr]

It's easy to sit back and judge when you aren't in that situation yourself. I'd be willing to bet that if your spouse was murdered and you were a suspect and your in-laws were saying negative things about you and flat out accusing you of the crime, you would do everything in your power to shield your children from that talk.

I think the problem here is that some of you can't even stop to consider that JY could be innocent. If you pretend that he is for a second and consider what he was put through, the harsh judgement would disappear. The fact is, there is no evidence that he ever left the HI that night.

Also, we've been through this so many times. When you are a suspect in a crime, it is unwise to subject yourself to a 7-8 hour long deposition. It simply is. It doesn't mean the person doesn't love their children if they decline to participate. Additionally, responding to a suit like this and having to hire attorneys for a custody suit costs hundreds of thousands of dollars.

Yes, we have been through this a "million" times and we can go through it a million more. IMO his behavior ws suspicious, self-serving, and cowardly. If innocent, why wouldn't he sit for a 12-18 hr deposition??

You're wrong there most certainly is evidence he left HI and not only left, but murdered his wife and left his little daughter in the middle of it. I could say the same to some of you who support him so strongly.....how do you ignore the evidence in this case. Yes, most of it is circumstantial but evidence none the less.

I do know about custody and have lived it, not because of murder thank God. My baby sister's husband and family attempted a crucifixtion of sorts during their divorce. She fought and she fought, enduring years of humiliation, being degraded, and even lost a job due to everything. She NEVER, ever gave up.....in the 3 long years it took for everything to be settled she NEVER gave up on her children. BTW, she has full custody and in spite of everything, encourages his family to see them because she knows it is best for her children. This is parental love.

 

[sunshine05]

Yes, we have been through this a "million" times and we can go through it a million more. IMO his behavior ws suspicious, self-serving, and cowardly. If innocent, why wouldn't he sit for a 12-18 hr deposition??

You're wrong there most certainly is evidence he left HI and not only left, but murdered his wife and left his little daughter in the middle of it. I could say the same to some of you who support him aso strongly.....how do you ignore the evidence in this case. Yes, most of it is circumstantial but evidence noe the less.

I do know about custody and have lived it, not because of murder thank God. My baby sister's husband and family attempted a crucifixtion of sorts during their divorce. She fought and she fought, enduring years of humiliation, being degraded, and even lost a job due to everything. She NEVER, ever gave up.....in the 3 long years it took for everything to be settled she NEVER gave up on her children. BTW, she has full custody and in spite of everything, encourages his family to see them because she knows it is best for her children. This is parental love........this is

I'll bet she wasn't faced with life in prison for this fight.

 

[SStarr33]

He could have just held it in his hand, placed it in blood and then made a print on the pillow case or sheets. He wouldn't have to actually be wearing the size 10 shoes.

Seems like the government should be required to provide evidence that JY purchased those shoes so he would have the ability to make those fake prints.

 

[citygirl]

I have heard of stuff like this, intimidation, scare tactics, wanting people to be quiet, etc.
Oh., well!!

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