JBR Head Injury

[narlacat]

Naaa, not enlightening, this is an American celeb wer'e talking about Jayelle's.
They think the laws dont apply to them.

 

[narlacat]

Once agian it just doesn't seem to matter.
Why would JR and PR lie about JBR being awake or asleep when they got home? If your going to lie then you must consider that lie to be very important to your case.

What major advantage is there in saying JBR was asleep as opposed to awake and then along with Burke put to bed within an hour or so?

And even if the your pineapple story above is true it doesn't convict them or even implicate them in the murder of their daughter.

Why wouldn't they just say we gave her some pineapple and put her to bed?

Again where is the advantage to the lie?

IMO They lied about JonBenet being awake when she got home because they didnt want to have to answer questions about what went on after they arrived home that night.
Easy. Everyone, including JonBenet was asleep. We were all asleep, didnt hear a thing.
They had to say they didn't know anything about the pineapple because they had already said she was asleep upon arriving home and didn't wake when they put her to bed.
You can't explain the pineapple away with...she would have gone with someone she trusted......everyone who they thought she may have trusted was cleared.....so that leaves a foreign faction member......why would she sit and eat pineapple with someone that is just about to brutally kill her?

 

[Eagle1]

As we've discussed before, probably JonBenet didn't eat much if any of the cracked crab that Priscilla made up a plate of for her. She wasn't feeling well that day, and hadn't she been lying down upstairs in Daphne's bed for a while? During the time the others were having their meal?

When they arrived home the child was probably hungry, and awake like Burke said, so they gave her some of her fave snack, using the big spoon to dish it into a smaller bowl which I believe Lou Smit said was on her bureau, a bowl that had contained pineapple. Okay, maybe they even took it up to her room where she was already in bed. Who knows? Anyway, her fingerprints weren't on the bowl with the big spoon that was sitting out in the kitchen.

I don't see how the pineapple proves anything or implicates anyone in particular. Maybe I'm just a bit brain dead because it's been a long day.

 

[Zman]

IMO They lied about JonBenet being awake when she got home because they didnt want to have to answer questions about what went on after they arrived home that night.
Easy. Everyone, including JonBenet was asleep. We were all asleep, didnt hear a thing.
They had to say they didn't know anything about the pineapple because they had already said she was asleep upon arriving home and didn't wake when they put her to bed.
You can't explain the pineapple away with...she would have gone with someone she trusted......everyone who they thought she may have trusted was cleared.....so that leaves a foreign faction member......why would she sit and eat pineapple with someone that is just about to brutally kill her?

They had to answer those questions anyway.

Or maybe they just don't know anything about the pineapple, if thats even what is in the bowl. You assume it was pineapple that was in the bowl just because LE said so?

We don't know when she ate the pineapple, she could of ate it at the Whites or at one of the stops on the way home.

 

[narlacat]

They had to answer those questions anyway.

Or maybe they just don't know anything about the pineapple, if thats even what is in the bowl. You assume it was pineapple that was in the bowl just because LE said so?

We don't know when she ate the pineapple, she could of ate it at the Whites or at one of the stops on the way home.

Wrong zman.
She didn't eat the pineapple at the White's, they said so.
She didn't eat it at one of the stops on the way home. They didn't stay when they dropped the gifts off, they wanted to get home because they had a big trip the next day with an early start. The Stines say she was asleep in the car when their gifts were dropped off and I believe that was their last stop before home.
I assume it's pineapple that's in the bowl yes, because the autopsy showed pineapple had been consumed.

 

[Zman]

Wrong zman.
She didn't eat the pineapple at the White's, they said so.
She didn't eat it at one of the stops on the way home. They didn't stay when they dropped the gifts off, they wanted to get home because they had a big trip the next day with an early start. The Stines say she was asleep in the car when their gifts were dropped off and I believe that was their last stop before home.
I assume it's pineapple that's in the bowl yes, because the autopsy showed pineapple had been consumed.

Who said she did not eat pineapple at the Whites, who is they in this case?

Which is it narlacat? First you tell me they were lying about her being asleep now you tell me the Stines say she was asleep in the car.

I guess it just depends on which point your trying to prove.

The autopsy said possibly pineapple in her system, only LE claims the bowl contained pineapple.

 

[Eagle1]

The Stines could be lying, sure. Everybody could be.

Okay, the Med.Examiner and LE said it appeared she ate pineapple?

That's about all we can be sure of, right? It was reportedly her fave snack, so that's probably true. Some speculated it may have been lemon, who probably just wanted to prolong the discussion. I can't picture the child eating lemon pulp, even if it was served with the cracked crab at the Whites', which I doubt she ate any of. Priscilla did fix up a plate for her because, I think JBR was upstairs lying down on Daphne's bed, not feeling well, when the others were eating. Can't swear to anything, of course. That's just the preponderance of years of discussions.

 

[narlacat]

Who said she did not eat pineapple at the Whites, who is they in this case?

Which is it narlacat? First you tell me they were lying about her being asleep now you tell me the Stines say she was asleep in the car.

I guess it just depends on which point your trying to prove.

The autopsy said possibly pineapple in her system, only LE claims the bowl contained pineapple.

Ok sorry perhaps I'm not being clear enough.
The White's said so. They did not serve pineapple at the party.
Susan Stine said JonBenet was alseep in the car. From a distance I believe, not close up.
John and Patsy say she did not wake up when they carried her inside, nor did she wake up when put to bed and had clothes changed.
My point was zman, they didn't stop at any of the places they were dropping the gifts off at...for her to have eaten pineappale on the way home.
She may have been alseep in the car, but I think she woke up upon arrival at home. Burke says she walked up the stairs by herself and was awake.

 

[Moab]

The Stines could be lying, sure. Everybody could be.

Okay, the Med.Examiner and LE said it appeared she ate pineapple?

That's about all we can be sure of, right? It was reportedly her fave snack, so that's probably true. Some speculated it may have been lemon, who probably just wanted to prolong the discussion. I can't picture the child eating lemon pulp, even if it was served with the cracked crab at the Whites', which I doubt she ate any of. Priscilla did fix up a plate for her because, I think JBR was upstairs lying down on Daphne's bed, not feeling well, when the others were eating. Can't swear to anything, of course. That's just the preponderance of years of discussions.

There was never any report of JBR upstairs in bed at the Whites. The story was she wasn't feeling well at home during Christmas day, not that evening.
JBR and Daphne were down on the floor at the Whites playing with a jewlrey kit, and some of the adults were making jewelry with them.

 

[Jayelles]

Ok sorry perhaps I'm not being clear enough.
The White's said so. They did not serve pineapple at the party.
Susan Stine said JonBenet was alseep in the car. From a distance I believe, not close up.
John and Patsy say she did not wake up when they carried her inside, nor did she wake up when put to bed and had clothes changed.
My point was zman, they didn't stop at any of the places they were dropping the gifts off at...for her to have eaten pineappale on the way home.
She may have been alseep in the car, but I think she woke up upon arrival at home. Burke says she walked up the stairs by herself and was awake.

It is an indisputable FACT that one of the last things that jonBenet ate was fresh pineapple. Lou Smit confirmed this in his interview with John Ramsey (courtesy of jameson) - he called it the "big bugaboo". It is also an indisputable FACT that there was a bowl of fresh pineapple lying on the Ramsey kitchen table.

The Stines say they did not serve pineapple on Christmas Day.

It appears to be well confirmed that the Ramseys left for the Whites at around 4pm and returned home again around 9pm.

Science therefore tells us that JonBenet either ate the pineapple when she returned home and was killed a few hours later - thus disputing the Ramsey claims that she was "zonked" and did not awaken from falling asleep in the car.

OR

She ate the pineapple at home BEFORE going to the Whites and was killed VERY SOON after returning home - within the period of time that John Ramsey claimes to have been up making a model with Burke.

That is why the pineapple is a bugaboo.

However Narlacat, what you will find is that ardent Ramsey supporters will argue that the Whites must be lying about not serving pineapple (despite the fact that no-one who was there seems to have claimed that it WAS served) - before they will acknowledge that a bowl of fresh pineapple sitting on the Ramsey kitchen table is the likely source of the bugaboo.

To some people, the Ramseys speak only the Truth - if they said it, it must be so and the Ramseys say that JonBenet didn't eat pineapple therefore everyone else must be lying. Maybe it's all part of this great Illuminati Conspiracy ;-)

 

[Jayelles]

Who said she did not eat pineapple at the Whites, who is they in this case?

Which is it narlacat? First you tell me they were lying about her being asleep now you tell me the Stines say she was asleep in the car.

I guess it just depends on which point your trying to prove.

The autopsy said possibly pineapple in her system, only LE claims the bowl contained pineapple.

The Autopsy did not include the findings of the lab analysis of the stomach contents. LE made their claims based upon subsequent lab reports. Lou Smit is a Ramsey supporter but even he acknowledges that the substance is pineapple.

No-one needs to be trying to prove anything to accept this as fact. It speaks for itself.

 

[Nuisanceposter]

And if she ate pineapple that no one served but was at her home and no one, even staunch Ramsey backer Lou Smit contends that, that also must mean the Rams are lying about the course of events, such as her eating pineapple, Christmas night. They wouldn't lie to cover for an intruder, only for themselves. One of them killed JonBenet.

 

[Eagle1]

Anyone remember this? Priscilla made up a plate for JonBenet. Not that it's any big enough deal to argue about. I know she was playing on the floor later. That doesn't mean she wasn't at some point lying on Daphne's bed for a while.

If the R's deliberately lied about JonBenet not waking up after the trip to the Whites', how many things could that mean?

For one, maybe some of the friends came over for a sort of after-glow game-playing because their house was a bit larger than the Whites'.

They were all there awfully early the next morning, so I'm suggesting that just possibly all of them were "up all night", and "still wearing last evening's clothes". If everything else is a lie, and I grant that most everything probably is, then their claim that only the family of 4 were in the house most likely is also a big lie. Even if all my kids had been kidnapped, I don't think it would occur to me to phone all my friends that early in the morning!
Would you? If the friends were already there, then claiming to have phoned them would be a plausible coverup lie, just like everything else.

There were some bicycle tracks outside, so someone may have left that way. A paper boy would take a whirl through someone's yard that early, I don't think. And I don't remember the source of this, probably PMPT.

The more I think about it, the more plausible it seems, at least to me, that very likely all those friends were already there! And maybe some others who'd left early. If not all of them, at least an (invited?) intruder or two.

Editing to add that I haven't yet watched much of the famous FBI agent's video which must be re The Illuminatti. I haven't watched yet because it's 75 minutes. But why would any of us need to try to cover for them, unless we have some kind of stake in it, unless we or someone we know may be involved in whatever it's about? I'm sure everyone's at least noticed there's a new thread about a video, and FBI and CIA covering up info instead of seeking it. If Gunderson maybe lost his job over this, something must be up. (I didn't say he lost his job, don't know. I haven't watched it yet.)

 

[Nuisanceposter]

I have always thought it a bit odd that they mention Priscilla White having made a plate especially for JonBenet, like they have to make sure we know that. Wasn't everyone invited over served crab that night, since that was the White's traditional Christmas dinner? Was there some chance that JonBenet wouldn't get any, hence the need to prepare a special plate just for her?

So who was there was police arrived that morning? I would assume that Patsy would call 911 before she would call her friends, and that police would arrive first since the friends would have been abed and need time to get ready and dressed before going to the Ramsey's house that early. Were they wearing the same clothes as the night before when they arrived? I would assume all of their alibis were checked, and police ascertained that everyone was where they claimed they were Christmas night.

 

[Zman]

The Autopsy did not include the findings of the lab analysis of the stomach contents. LE made their claims based upon subsequent lab reports. Lou Smit is a Ramsey supporter but even he acknowledges that the substance is pineapple.

No-one needs to be trying to prove anything to accept this as fact. It speaks for itself.

Which substance the one in JBR's stomach or the food in the bowl on the table?

Well Lou Smit also thinks the R's are innocent. Should we accept that as fact? Maybe he did not look into the pineapple evidence as well as he should of.

I sure won't beleive any test was done until someone lets us see it.

Just like the fingerprints on the bowl right? PR and BR or so we are told. I'm willing to bet no such prints were ever lifted.

The obvious attempt to frame the R's for this murder by a embarrassed police department is pretty much what I see.

 

[deanws]

Which substance the one in JBR's stomach or the food in the bowl on the table?

Well Lou Smit also thinks the R's are innocent. Should we accept that as fact? Maybe he did not look into the pineapple evidence as well as he should of.

I sure won't beleive any test was done until someone lets us see it.

Just like the fingerprints on the bowl right? PR and BR or so we are told. I'm willing to bet no such prints were ever lifted.

The obvious attempt to frame the R's for this murder by a embarrassed police department is pretty much what I see.

You may borrow my glasses Zman.

 

[txsvicki]

IMO They lied about JonBenet being awake when she got home because they didnt want to have to answer questions about what went on after they arrived home that night.
Easy. Everyone, including JonBenet was asleep. We were all asleep, didnt hear a thing.
They had to say they didn't know anything about the pineapple because they had already said she was asleep upon arriving home and didn't wake when they put her to bed.
You can't explain the pineapple away with...she would have gone with someone she trusted......everyone who they thought she may have trusted was cleared.....so that leaves a foreign faction member......why would she sit and eat pineapple with someone that is just about to brutally kill her?

I'd never believe that a six year old would stay asleep when being carried in from the car and then put to bed after only falling asleep during a short car ride home. Out of raising 4 kids and 5 grandkids, I've never seen a child that old be that tired out, only babies.

 

[Maikai]

The Autopsy did not include the findings of the lab analysis of the stomach contents. LE made their claims based upon subsequent lab reports. Lou Smit is a Ramsey supporter but even he acknowledges that the substance is pineapple.

No-one needs to be trying to prove anything to accept this as fact. It speaks for itself.

The pineapple was found in the upper part of the small intestine, or duodenum area. Food found in the stomach would be relevant, like in the case of Nicole Simpson. Much ado about nothing when it comes to the pineapple---what was left was the fiber in it, that doesn't get digested, and she could have eaten it earlier in the day.

 

[Nuisanceposter]

I'd never believe that a six year old would stay asleep when being carried in from the car and then put to bed after only falling asleep during a short car ride home. Out of raising 4 kids and 5 grandkids, I've never seen a child that old be that tired out, only babies.

Exactly. My experience with my own children is that they fall asleep in the car, and wake up when you pull into your driveway, completely refreshed and ready to play. Very irritating when you're tired yourself and want to go to bed, as I'm sure both John and Patsy were feeling. Especially when they had to get up early the next morning to fly to Charlevoix.

 

[aussiesheila]

It was an 8 inch long fracture of her skull. She hit something hard or something hard hit her. Your skull is pretty darn tough and doesn't crack 8 inches from being shaken.
The injury just did not break the skin. It depends on what did the damage as to whether the skin breaks.

I agree, and it seems to me that a baseball bat swung with a considerable force by a fairly strong person is the most likely cause of the damage