JBR Head Injury

[aussiesheila]

Yes pineapple is tough to explain. But it's tough no matter what side your on. It makes no sense for a stranger or her parents to give her pineapple for any reason. However we don't even know if it was pineapple in that bowl. We only know LE said there was. And they have said many things that seem to be only an attempt to get the R's to slip or admit guilt under pressure.

Here is a reason that makes sense - Maybe some pedophiles who were planning a session of sexual abuse with JonBenet that night laced the pineapple with some kind of stupefying drug so that after eating it JonBenet would become relaxed and more willing to submit to the abuse and only have a dim memory of it once it was over. Maybe around midnight one of the pedophiles, (Santa) brought the pineapple with him in a plastic bag which he emptied into a bowl in the kitchen and encouraged JonBenet to eat.

 

[Tricia]

Here is a reason that makes sense - Maybe some pedophiles who were planning a session of sexual abuse with JonBenet that night laced the pineapple with some kind of stupefying drug so that after eating it JonBenet would become relaxed and more willing to submit to the abuse and only have a dim memory of it once it was over. Maybe around midnight one of the pedophiles, (Santa) brought the pineapple with him in a plastic bag which he emptied into a bowl in the kitchen and encouraged JonBenet to eat.

Santa has been cleared.

There was no trace of any drug found in JBR, the pineapple in her digestive track nor in the bowl.

Aussiesheila, please check your facts before you accuse an innocent man. A man who has been cleared. A man whose DNA does not match. A man whose writing does not match the ransom note.

 

[aussiesheila]

Santa has been cleared.

There was no trace of any drug found in JBR, the pineapple in her digestive track nor in the bowl.

Aussiesheila, please check your facts before you accuse an innocent man. A man who has been cleared. A man whose DNA does not match. A man whose writing does not match the ransom note.

Tricia what facts do you have to support your claim that Santa has been cleared?

I know there was no trace of any drug found in JBR, the pineapple in her digestive track nor in the bowl. I believe that was because there was no drug testing performed on any of those items.

The fact that his DNA does not match the DNA on JonBenet's panties or under her fingernails and that his handwriting does not match the ransom note does not clear him of having been present in the Ramsey house in the basement at the time of her murder, IMO.

 

[Nuisanceposter]

Poor Santa Bill. He'd had heart surgery just four months prior to JonBenet's murder, and he wouldn't have been strong enough to do to her what was done to her. I know that from my own experiences with my father's heart surgery. What, do you think he was standing there watching, helping, plotting? I just love these conspiracy stories...as if Patsy would go along with any of the ones I've heard theorized here. IMO, she wrote the RN, with no one's help except a vivid imagination, a bunch of movies, and possibly her husband.

 

[Zman]

IMO, she wrote the RN, with no one's help except a vivid imagination, a bunch of movies, and possibly her husband.

Sometimes you people really crack me up.

JR and PR have just murdered their only daughter accidently or from abuse, take your pick.

And they are so heartless that they are not even upset about it.

In fact PR cooly begins to write a RN for a body they don't plan to remove from the house, and asks JR to think of some of his faviorte lines from some hostage movies they have seen in the past. I wonder which ones they didn't use and what the criteria was?

Maybe they made some popcorn and watched a couple just to make sure they got the lines right.

Oh yea Patsy better put lots of disgusting threats to harm JBR too. Because "don't call the police or we will kill your daughter" is just so passe.

Can you picture that?
I can't.

 

[LinasK]

Sometimes you people really crack me up.

JR and PR have just murdered their only daughter accidently or from abuse, take your pick.

And they are so heartless that they are not even upset about it.

In fact PR cooly begins to write a RN for a body they don't plan to remove from the house, and asks JR to think of some of his faviorte lines from some hostage movies they have seen in the past. I wonder which ones they didn't use and what the criteria was?

Maybe they made some popcorn and watched a couple just to make sure they got the lines right.

Oh yea Patsy better put lots of disgusting threats to harm JBR too. Because "don't call the police or we will kill your daughter" is just so passe.

Can you picture that?
I can't.

Yeah I can, but I think it's slightly different than your version. I think John killed her accidentally while sexually abusing her. I also think Patsy got her terminology for the ransom note from their crime novels, not from a movie. But you got it right that the Ramseys are heartless, IMO!

 

[aussiesheila]

Poor Santa Bill. He'd had heart surgery just four months prior to JonBenet's murder, and he wouldn't have been strong enough to do to her what was done to her. I know that from my own experiences with my father's heart surgery. What, do you think he was standing there watching, helping, plotting? I just love these conspiracy stories...as if Patsy would go along with any of the ones I've heard theorized here. IMO, she wrote the RN, with no one's help except a vivid imagination, a bunch of movies, and possibly her husband.

Nuisanceposter, I am presuming this was written in response to my post 61 so I will reply.

OK, so he has had heart surgery so I don't think he would have been the one to have swung the implement that cracked open JonBenet's skull or to have wielded the stun gun.

Yes I do think he was standing there watching, helping, participating, fondling, enjoying during the session of sexual abuse of JonBenet in the basement right up to the moment of her death.

Prior to that I think he was the first to arrive that night, having been picked up from his home and driven there by CW, let in through the kitchen door by Patsy and then feeding JonBenet (and maybe Patsy) the (drugged) pineapple and then encouraging Patsy to go to sleep.

As I do not believe he was planning any killling, I think his plotting came later in that he was party to the original coverup plan of making it look like a kidnapping.

I think he was the one who redressed and wrapped his little angel's body in her white blanket and carried her to the cellar.

IMO Patsy WOULD go along with the coverup once she became aware that JonBenet was already dead. I believe this to be the case because I think that Patsy had known all along that her daughter was being sexually abused, yet had allowed it to continue for years and IMO she would not want this to be publicly revealed nor would she want to lose the friendship of those involved in the abuse.

IMO, Patsy wrote the RN, with help from the coverup mastermind plus a vivid imagination, some pent up rage directed against her husband who spent more time at his job than with his family, but most definitely WITHOUT his involvement or knowledge. IMO John was asleep that entire night between the hours of 11 pm and 5.30 am and knew absolutely NOTHING about the prior sexual abuse or the planned activity for that evening.

 

[Tricia]

Sometimes you people really crack me up.

JR and PR have just murdered their only daughter accidently or from abuse, take your pick.

And they are so heartless that they are not even upset about it.

In fact PR cooly begins to write a RN for a body they don't plan to remove from the house, and asks JR to think of some of his faviorte lines from some hostage movies they have seen in the past. I wonder which ones they didn't use and what the criteria was?

Maybe they made some popcorn and watched a couple just to make sure they got the lines right.

Oh yea Patsy better put lots of disgusting threats to harm JBR too. Because "don't call the police or we will kill your daughter" is just so passe.

Can you picture that?
I can't.

Zman, take away much of the sarcasm and you are right on the money.

Yes, one or both parents has guilty knowledge of their daughter's death.

Patsy wrote the note.

Both of them have ice for blood.

Good job. Thank you.

 

[Holdontoyourhat]

Zman, take away much of the sarcasm and you are right on the money.

Yes, one or both parents has guilty knowledge of their daughter's death.

Patsy wrote the note.

Both of them have ice for blood.

Good job. Thank you.

I have learned a few things I didn't know by joining this forum this year. Maybe you could explain what 'guilty knowledge' is. Does that mean they are guilty of sadistic child murder, or do they know who the sadistic child murderer is?

 

[solidarity]

And if she ate pineapple that no one served but was at her home and no one, even staunch Ramsey backer Lou Smit contends that, that also must mean the Rams are lying about the course of events, such as her eating pineapple, Christmas night. They wouldn't lie to cover for an intruder, only for themselves. One of them killed JonBenet.

If JBR had pineapple traces in her stomach, and the Ramseys insist they did not feed her that pineapple, I don't understand why you necessarily lead to the conclusion that the Ramseys must've lied about it to cover up their own steps. Isn't it POSSIBLE that the little girl was indeed half asleep when they got home and was thus put to bed, without having had much to eat. A few hours later JBR wakes up, feels hungry, and walks to the kitchen to grab a snack for herself (without her parents knowledge). She was old enough to do that. In this scenario, the pineapple was indeed in her stomach but it does not necessarily mean that the parents were lying about anything. They simply did not hear her get up in the middle of the night. Isn't this POSSIBLE.

 

[Zman]

If JBR had pineapple traces in her stomach, and the Ramseys insist they did not feed her that pineapple, I don't understand why you necessarily lead to the conclusion that the Ramseys must've lied about it to cover up their own steps. Isn't it POSSIBLE that the little girl was indeed half asleep when they got home and was thus put to bed, without having had much to eat. A few hours later JBR wakes up, feels hungry, and walks to the kitchen to grab a snack for herself (without her parents knowledge). She was old enough to do that. In this scenario, the pineapple was indeed in her stomach but it does not necessarily mean that the parents were lying about anything. They simply did not hear her get up in the middle of the night. Isn't this POSSIBLE.

According to her parents it's not possible.
At the least highly unlikely.
I'm betting she ate the pineapple somewhere else along the way and the bowl on the kitchen table had something else in it. LE took a shot at lying about what was in the bowl in hopes of a confession.

 

[TLynn]

:laugh: Lou's theory is that the pineapple was in a tuberware in JonBenet's bedroom - she woke up that night and ate it from the tuberware. (did I spell tuberware right? Looks strange)

 

[narlacat]

If JBR had pineapple traces in her stomach, and the Ramseys insist they did not feed her that pineapple, I don't understand why you necessarily lead to the conclusion that the Ramseys must've lied about it to cover up their own steps. Isn't it POSSIBLE that the little girl was indeed half asleep when they got home and was thus put to bed, without having had much to eat. A few hours later JBR wakes up, feels hungry, and walks to the kitchen to grab a snack for herself (without her parents knowledge). She was old enough to do that. In this scenario, the pineapple was indeed in her stomach but it does not necessarily mean that the parents were lying about anything. They simply did not hear her get up in the middle of the night. Isn't this POSSIBLE.

Well, not according to the timeline of death.
If JonBenet got home at 9 30 10 like her parents say, and was put promptly to bed like you say, then a few hours later gets up for a snack of pineapple....then the time is now 1 am....that is roughly the time she is thought to have died. She would have had to have died alot later than 1 in that theory and that wouldnt have given the body enough time to enter rigor mortis, the state in which she was found.

 

[narlacat]

:laugh: Lou's theory is that the pineapple was in a tuberware in JonBenet's bedroom - she woke up that night and ate it from the tuberware. (did I spell tuberware right? Looks strange)

It's tupperware TLynn. Close enough!!

 

[narlacat]

According to her parents it's not possible.
At the least highly unlikely.
I'm betting she ate the pineapple somewhere else along the way and the bowl on the kitchen table had something else in it. LE took a shot at lying about what was in the bowl in hopes of a confession.

Would you stop saying that!
She didn't eat the pineapple 'somewhere else along the way', she ate it at home from the bowl which contained PINEAPPLE Zman.
According to you, LE lied about everything in order to get a confession. Very convenient.

 

[Maikai]

It had already been churned in the stomach and was on its way down through the digestive tract in the upper part of the small intestine. All that was left was the fiber, which would not be digested. There was also some matter they couldn't determine what it was--safe to say it didn't have fiber in it. IMO, the pineapple urban legend was nothing more than a lame attempt by the BPD to trip up the Ramseys. They know it could have been eaten earlier. For the most part JBR's stomach was clear of food.

 

[Zman]

Would you stop saying that!
She didn't eat the pineapple 'somewhere else along the way', she ate it at home from the bowl which contained PINEAPPLE Zman.
According to you, LE lied about everything in order to get a confession. Very convenient.

You can tell that LE really has no evidence against the R's. So their only choice is find ways to get a confession. Even if it means stretching the turth a little. It is not a rare practice by LE. If they had any real evidence the R's would be in jail.

Well according to you the R's lied about everything.

Very Convenient.

 

[narlacat]

Touche.
I do think the Ramsey's have lied.
In between lying ,they can't remember anything.
I'll go through one of their interviews and show you just how many times they said they can't remember. It is ridiculous.

 

[deanws]

It had already been churned in the stomach and was on its way down through the digestive tract in the upper part of the small intestine. All that was left was the fiber, which would not be digested. There was also some matter they couldn't determine what it was--safe to say it didn't have fiber in it. IMO, the pineapple urban legend was nothing more than a lame attempt by the BPD to trip up the Ramseys. They know it could have been eaten earlier. For the most part JBR's stomach was clear of food.

No urban legend here! From Patsy's own mouth she said that JB had cracked crab at the White's house. It clearly states that there was something else besides crab in her. Here is the autposy..knock yourself out. http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/jonbenet1.html

 

[aussiesheila]

Touche.

I'll go through one of their interviews and show you just how many times they said they can't remember. It is ridiculous.

OK Narla, please do this with one of John's interviews. I would be very interested to have drawn to my attention even just one instance where he lied or gave an evasive answer. Don't bother about doing it with Patsy. I'm quite convinced she lied and evaded answers constantly.