"Jersey" and MW #2

[vlpate]

Did Picerno confirm the call took 50 seconds? I agree with you that if that really is the truth, then the call had to have come from the loaner phone (the one that worked), correct? This is assuming DB's phones really were restricted.

The loaner phone was her grandmother's "old" phone given to her by DN,JR, which indicates to me the phone probably didn't have service. From what has been said in the media and the Bradley/Irwins themselves, none of the phones were on.

 

[Abby Normal]

To me, searching around on someone's phone is personal or random. Either someone wants to see what you have been up to and what you have been saying- or they want to get the phone to work for themselves. IMO the "depth" of infant abduction would imply personal. Stealing just cell phones would imply just a random hope of using the phone.

I think it's highly possible that if someone took Lisa, they were specifically wanting to know what one of the parents were up to and what was being said by them.

 

[natsound]

I think the phones were cut off at midnight - that they had until the 4th to pay the bill. So a call could have connected before midnight.

Joe Tac said he, along with the FBI, went through all the phone records and there had been no other calls, in at least the past year, made to Megan's number - but Megan only had that number for three months. I'm sure JT and the FBI knew this but didn't mention whether Megan's old number was on any of the bills.

As for the Internet searches - this could have been someone trying to check email. I'd like to know how anyone saw *86 was dialed during the last two calls. He said this actually showed up, indicating they were checking voice mail.

I still can't make any of this fit with what happened to baby Lisa.

But Picerno maintains that JI tried to call on the 3rd, way before midnight, to say he would be home late and he was transferred to Verizon.

 

[natsound]

Did Picerno confirm the call took 50 seconds? I agree with you that if that really is the truth, then the call had to have come from the loaner phone (the one that worked), correct? This is assuming DB's phones really were restricted.

I feel like something was said about the 50 seconds during the Megyn Kelly interview, but I'd have to go back and watch to make sure. Do you know the answer?

 

[Evan's Mom]

So if we are to believe that Dane, or anyone else on the other end of that phone, is somehow linked to Lisa's case, then we also have to believe that the call from DB's phone went through, which would mean it was not restricted to outgoing calls. Is there any PLAUSIBLE scenario in which DB's phone did not work, and Dane would still be shaking and worried that night, and the only person in possession of MW's phone? At this point, we all know either a call was made or attempted from DB's phone to MW's phone.

Not necessarily. At attempt to get on the internet was made five times. We don't know if they were successful at that or not, but if they were, a message could have gotten to Dane that way.

 

[raeann]

Assuming that she was last seen at 6:40, she could not have made a flight that night. It's after Labor Day. KCI's last flight is at 8 p.m. It would be physically impossible I'd think if you believe this was a stranger abduction and that DB last saw her daughter at 6:40 and that SB and Shane were outside well into that night .....for her to have been on a flight that night.

And if Jersey delivered a live, white, healthy baby .....wouldn't he be able to afford to pay a $10,000 bond or 10 percent of a $10,000 bond?

That info on the flights is not correct, there are later flights out of KC....I have been on them before. Southwest has one that leaves at 9pm for Dallas. Also, not exactly sure what Labor Day has to do with flight on October 4th???

 

[natsound]

Not necessarily. At attempt to get on the internet was made five times. We don't know if they were successful at that or not, but if they were, a message could have gotten to Dane that way.

IMO that's far fetched, but within the realm of possibility.

 

[askfornina]

I think the phones were cut off at midnight - that they had until the 4th to pay the bill. So a call could have connected before midnight.

Joe Tac said he, along with the FBI, went through all the phone records and there had been no other calls, in at least the past year, made to Megan's number - but Megan only had that number for three months. I'm sure JT and the FBI knew this but didn't mention whether Megan's old number was on any of the bills.

As for the Internet searches - this could have been someone trying to check email. I'd like to know how anyone saw *86 was dialed during the last two calls. He said this actually showed up, indicating they were checking voice mail.

I still can't make any of this fit with what happened to baby Lisa.

a few notes on your post here vlpate. where did Joe Tac say that? not doubting you, i just haven't seen that. i saw Stanton say that on MK, but not Joe. also, on MW's facebook page, she said that she didn't have a cellphone for 8 months prior to this phone. she said she got this phone 3 or 4 months ago. FWIW.

as for your last line, i totally agree.

 

[Jacie Estes]

But in other reports she was at the waffle house at 2/3 because she was mad about her phone and Dane still had it and answered it the following morning when detectives called it.

Where was Dane at this time? Do we have a description on Dane?

 

[Abby Normal]

I don't know that either of those details have been reported.

 

[natsound]

Where was Dane at this time? Do we have a description on Dane?

MW described Dane to Jim Spellman. I wanna say around 5'10" (an inch or two taller than Jersey), short hair but long enough to comb. I think dark hair. that's all I remember.

 

[In da Middle]

So if we are to believe that Dane, or anyone else on the other end of that phone, is somehow linked to Lisa's case, then we also have to believe that the call from DB's phone went through, which would mean it was not restricted to outgoing calls. Is there any PLAUSIBLE scenario in which DB's phone did not work, and Dane would still be shaking and worried that night, and the only person in possession of MW's phone? At this point, we all know either a call was made or attempted from DB's phone to MW's phone.

Not necessarily. We believe it to be connected simply because it was dialed. Somebody attempted to call it for some reason. Who tried to call who and why is what is not known.

 

[cityslick]

I feel like something was said about the 50 seconds during the Megyn Kelly interview, but I'd have to go back and watch to make sure. Do you know the answer?

He did say it in the MK interview. I found the relevant answer here:

This phone problem that they had was when the phones were cut off and could only recieve incoming phone calls and incoming texts from early in the afternoon. She recieved a uh, her husband, uh not her husband, her fiance Jeremy tried to contact her early in the evening to tell her that he was going to be late coming home, it went direct to the verizon message, stating that the phone is not operable. And then the next thing that we have is FBI confirmation that at 11:57pm according to the phone records that they showed both to Joe and myself, that there was an outgoing phone call to MW that lasted approximately 50 seconds. There is absolutely no other phone calls that were ever made between the two, the FBI has all of the records. There is absolutely no evidence to suggest that these two people knew eachother, or that in any way were connected.

 

[tink92]

IMO, Dane and the others in MW's former house have plenty of lifestyle issues to hide. If a call was placed from DB's phone to MW's phone to reach someone in that household, I believe DB has a link to one of them... whether she called that unknown individual to help her out of a major jam that night, or called looking for drugs, I don't know.

But don't the phone records show that MW's number had never been dialled on the irwins phones before?...Neither had MW's phone ever dialled the irwins?

I really don't think DB has any connection to MW or have any clue who she was or anyone in that flop house. I can't see anything to suggest that she DID know MW...only evidence to suggest that she really didn't.

 

[In da Middle]

To me, searching around on someone's phone is personal or random. Either someone wants to see what you have been up to and what you have been saying- or they want to get the phone to work for themselves. IMO the "depth" of infant abduction would imply personal. Stealing just cell phones would imply just a random hope of using the phone.

I think it's highly possible that if someone took Lisa, they were specifically wanting to know what one of the parents were up to and what was being said by them.

This is what I come up with. Or who ever took Lisa took the phones and ditched them and somebody that knew MW's gang found them and called it to see if the phones worked.

 

[cityslick]

But don't the phone records show that MW's number had never been dialled on the irwins phones before?...Neither had MW's phone ever dialled the irwins?

I really don't think DB has any connection to MW or have any clue who she was or anyone in that flop house. I can't see anything to suggest that she DID know MW...only evidence to suggest that she really didn't.

Well, that comes down to if you believe the lawyer or not. If the lawyer is telling the truth that the number doesn't appear anywhere else on the bill except that one time, then you are absolutely correct that DB's connection gets really minimized.

 

[natsound]

He did say it in the MK interview. I found the relevant answer here:

This phone problem that they had was when the phones were cut off and could only recieve incoming phone calls and incoming texts from early in the afternoon. She recieved a uh, her husband, uh not her husband, her fiance Jeremy tried to contact her early in the evening to tell her that he was going to be late coming home, it went direct to the verizon message, stating that the phone is not operable. And then the next thing that we have is FBI confirmation that at 11:57pm according to the phone records that they showed both to Joe and myself, that there was an outgoing phone call to MW that lasted approximately 50 seconds. There is absolutely no other phone calls that were ever made between the two, the FBI has all of the records. There is absolutely no evidence to suggest that these two people knew eachother, or that in any way were connected.

Now, does anyone else see where Picerno contradicts himself? DB phone was restricted, could only receive incoming calls, but JI's call to her phone could not connect?

 

[Just K]

Did Dane have a car or vehicle?

 

[natsound]

But don't the phone records show that MW's number had never been dialled on the irwins phones before?...Neither had MW's phone ever dialled the irwins?

I really don't think DB has any connection to MW or have any clue who she was or anyone in that flop house. I can't see anything to suggest that she DID know MW...only evidence to suggest that she really didn't.

I don' think DB knows MW either. But MW's crowd seems unstable and transient, and the phone was a temporary pre-pay phone, so it's no surprise the number didn't show up on DB's records.

 

[Just K]

If it is true that MW got her phone back before going to the Waffle House at 2 or 3:00 AM...what was she so mad about re: her phone situation that another friend suggested that she should get out of the house and go get some late night breakfast?

Was she angry that Dane had her phone all night and that she may have missed calls? Was she angry that he supposedly deleted all her call & text history?

LE must know all the phone numbers and or email addresses that were either called or texted by MW's phone on 10/03 through 10/4/2011. They would know who was contacted by her phone whether Dane or anyone else deleted the call & text history...and for that matter the internet activity. If that info matches the times on the "stolen" DB phones then that should give them much more to go on.