"Jersey" and MW #2

[Detective Klimpt]

Is there any indication that Jersey might be a paranoid schizophrenic?

Interesting thought. If he is, then there is no telling what he is capable of doing. He is either not too intelligent or just very brazen. Just MOO, but I can't understand anyone, especially a woman (MW) wanting anything to do with <modsnip> that.

 

[yllek]

Interesting thought. If he is, then there is not telling what he is capable of doing. He is either not too intelligent or just very brazen. Just MOO, but I can't understand anyone, especially a woman (MW) wanting anything to do with a bum like that.

We could apply an unsupported diagnosis like this to anybody in the case and come to the conclusion that there's no telling what any of them could do. There are those who might wonder what Debbi sees in Jeremy, what Jeremy sees in Debbi, what Jersey saw in Megan, what Mrs. Brando saw in Mr. Brando... Just sayin' - there is not one shred of information to support that anybody in this case is a paranoid schizophrenic. Nor do we know much about anybody's personal life or their relationships (except for Megan's blunt accounts of her short relationship with Jersey).

JMO...

 

[Detective Klimpt]

We could apply an unsupported diagnosis like this to anybody in the case and come to the conclusion that there's no telling what any of them could do. There are those who might wonder what Debbi sees in Jeremy, what Jeremy sees in Debbi, what Jersey saw in Megan, what Mrs. Brando saw in Mr. Brando... Just sayin' - there is not one shred of information to support that anybody in this case is a paranoid schizophrenic. Nor do we know much about anybody's personal life or their relationships (except for Megan's blunt accounts of her short relationship with Jersey).
JMO...

With all due respect, I disagree. I am not trying to support a diagnosis of schizophrenia for Jersey or anyone else. Call me judgmental; I don't mind, because I am. Jersey is a felon and there is evidence that he continues to live a life of a vagrant and commit petty (many even worse) crimes. I can think of nothing good to say about him or find any reason anyone would want to associate with him. To compare my opinion of Jersey to what Jeremy/Debby/Brando's, etc. see in one another, is not a good comparison at all. Maybe you don't know much about the personal lives of the players in this case, but do not assume all others do not.

 

[NotSoSherlock]

Is there any indication that Jersey might be a paranoid schizophrenic?

I seem to remember someone being interviewed about Jersey and the gentleman being interviewed said something to the effect that Jersey gave him a bad vibe. There are lots of ways to interpret that but mentally ill people fit that particular mold.

I can't find that interview now but the gentleman said he talked to Jersey in the park and he pulled out a big knife and used it to peel an apple or something like that.

Anyone else remember that? Google and my memory are failing me.

ETA: Okay. It was an orange and not an apple.

Here's one article about it:

http://www.nbcactionnews.com/dpp/news/region_missouri/northland/no-sign-of-lisa-irwin-7-days-into-search

 

[yllek]

With all due respect, I disagree. I am not trying to support a diagnosis of schizophrenia for Jersey or anyone else. Call me judgmental; I don't mind, because I am. Jersey is a felon and there is evidence that he continues to live a life of a vagrant and commit petty (many even worse) crimes. I can think of nothing good to say about him or find any reason anyone would want to associate with him. To compare my opinion of Jersey to what Jeremy/Debby/Brando's, etc. see in one another, is not a good comparison at all. Maybe you don't know much about the personal lives of the players in this case, but do not assume all others do not.

If you are a verified local or insider who has direct information about the the personal lives of players in this case, I am not aware of it. I'm sorry if I missed something. Others opinions are welcome and interesting, but unless you have seen the medical records of John Tanko, I don't think you have more insight into whether he has a mental illness or not. A transient with a criminal record does not mean that he is a paranoid schizophrenic and no one involved in the case has ever described him as such. That was my point and my opinion is equally valid.

In the same vein, I would also say it's not right to say that Debbi has a mental illness or is an alchoholic or a psychopath. There is nothing to support that diagnosis at this time, imo. I have seen comments to that effect based on her drunken admission, the "mother hen" story that has her MIL admitting she took her truck and snuck out at night without telling anyone she was leaving her son, her ex friends' stories of cheating, trouble-making and lying... Some of this information is verified by Debbi, some by her family, and some may or may not be anything more than sour grapes. Does her lifestyle or past make her an alcoholic psycopath? Imo, no. Does the fact that Johnny Tanko is transient and has a criminal record make him a paranoid schizophrenic? Imo, no. Could either or both of them in fact have these mental illnesses? Sure, but imo, there's nothing supporting those diagnosis' at this point. This is my opinion.

So, with all due respect, let's agree to disagree. I think you can slap an unsupported diagnosis on anyone based on their lifestyle or past. I also think it's fair to say that just as you see Mr. Tanko as a vagrant bum who a woman would be crazy to find attractive, some may find it hard to see how anyone could be attracted to other players in the case as well.

 

[JohnBull]

Interesting thought. If he is, then there is no telling what he is capable of doing. He is either not too intelligent or just very brazen. Just MOO, but I can't understand anyone, especially a woman (MW) wanting anything to do with <modsnip> that.

Yes, if he is then nothing is certain in reference to why he would have abducted an infant. There's no telling what delusions he might be having, or what his medication status might be, if any. Throw some drugs into the mix and it really gets interesting.

 

[hambirg]

Maybe he suffocated her and was carrying her dead body to the house to figure out what to do next

But that negates his motive of stealing her to sell. Kwim?

 

[curvecuti]

If you are a verified local or insider who has direct information about the the personal lives of players in this case, I am not aware of it. I'm sorry if I missed something. Others opinions are welcome and interesting, but unless you have seen the medical records of John Tanko, I don't think you have more insight into whether he has a mental illness or not. A transient with a criminal record does not mean that he is a paranoid schizophrenic and no one involved in the case has ever described him as such. That was my point and my opinion is equally valid.

In the same vein, I would also say it's not right to say that Debbi has a mental illness or is an alchoholic or a psychopath. There is nothing to support that diagnosis at this time, imo. I have seen comments to that effect based on her drunken admission, the "mother hen" story that has her MIL admitting she took her truck and snuck out at night without telling anyone she was leaving her son, her ex friends' stories of cheating, trouble-making and lying... Some of this information is verified by Debbi, some by her family, and some may or may not be anything more than sour grapes. Does her lifestyle or past make her an alcoholic psycopath? Imo, no. Does the fact that Johnny Tanko is transient and has a criminal record make him a paranoid schizophrenic? Imo, no. Could either or both of them in fact have these mental illnesses? Sure, but imo, there's nothing supporting those diagnosis' at this point. This is my opinion.

So, with all due respect, let's agree to disagree. I think you can slap an unsupported diagnosis on anyone based on their lifestyle or past. I also think it's fair to say that just as you see Mr. Tanko as a vagrant bum who a woman would be crazy to find attractive, some may find it hard to see how anyone could be attracted to other players in the case as well.

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Excellent post! It seems to be alright to slap the label of mental illness on Jersey but a huge no-no to slap the label of alcoholic on Deb. There is no info. to support either label. There are tons of homeless criminals that don't have mental illness just are there are lots of Moms that drink (responsibly) that aren't alcoholics.

 

[Detective Klimpt]

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Excellent post! It seems to be alright to slap the label of mental illness on Jersey but a huge no-no to slap the label of alcoholic on Deb. There is no info. to support either label. There are tons of homeless criminals that don't have mental illness just are there are lots of Moms that drink (responsibly) that aren't alcoholics.

Do people read for clarity? Nobody slapped the label of mental illness on Jersey. Repeat: Nobody slapped the label of mental illness on Jersey. It bothers me much when what I say/write is taken out of context. Poster JohnBull wrote: "Is there any indication that Jersey might be a paranoid schizophrenic?" I responded that IF he was, then....... I never even insinuated Jersey or anyone else was schizo or had mental illness. I have a problem with people that have criminal records, spit on people in restaurants, break into homes, steal cars, etc. It paints them in a bad light <to me> and I wonder why anyone wants to associate with that type of person. I was taught as a youngster that one was judged by the company they keep.

No, I am not an 'insider' in the case. However, I tend to believe what is written by the person themselves on their FB pages. I don't have a very good impression of several POI's in the case insofar as their moral compass and character is involved.

As for slapping labels on people, I'd say that more than half this forum and forums and facebooks on this subject paint DB as a drunk, poor mother, etc. Heck, even people here wonder why the children aren't taken away from her. This is way over the top and getting old, repeated over and over.

 

[Dewey2Me1MoThyme]

Not true, the computer window and the window to the babies room were opened. There was one more but I can't look for the link right now. moo

I don't remember reading or hearing anywhere that Lisa's bedroom window was open. MOO!

 

[DeAnn]

I don't remember reading or hearing anywhere that Lisa's bedroom window was open. MOO!

Computer room is all I've read or heard about. The Independence Police Department's broadcast to their officers mentioned bedroom but I think that's easily chalked up to the telephone game. Alert issued by KCPD. An IPD dispatcher reads it and says bedroom when it was the computer room. The info didn't come from KCPD. It was third hand from IPD. And to the police officers in other agenices who are on the lookout for a missing baby...whether it's bedroom or computer room doesn't really matter. They aren't the investigative agency. They are simply being told to be on the lookout for a missing baby. Which room the window was busted in doesn't matter to them. It does obviously to the investigative agency.

 

[MissFine]

A bit off topic, but I felt extremely confident that the Ramseys were innocent the moment I looked at the autopsy photos. And yet they're never going to be completely exonerated because the situation fit right into the stock paradigm, which is the default position of every Keystone Kops police department, third rate amateur detective and uninformed member of the general public.

You're right they won't ever be exonerated because so much points to their guilt.
OT-done with the subject. Sorry folks.

 

[Sparklin]

Not true, the computer window and the window to the babies room were opened. There was one more but I can't look for the link right now. moo

IIRC Deb talked about sometimes leaving the boys room windows open, but there is nothing saying they were open that night. Just the computer room window.
http://www.foxnews.com/on-air/justi...ssing-baby-lisa-speak-out/?playlist_id=163972

If you have a different link stating otherwise, please share, I haven't heard that though.

 

[MissFine]

:clap::clap::clap:
Excellent post! It seems to be alright to slap the label of mental illness on Jersey but a huge no-no to slap the label of alcoholic on Deb. There is no info. to support either label. There are tons of homeless criminals that don't have mental illness just are there are lots of Moms that drink (responsibly) that aren't alcoholics.

bbm~~~~

 

[Meri]

What I meant by him still doing it after being caught several times was perhaps the homeowner returned at some point and increased the security around his/her home so that he was unable to gain access through the window. And since he was supposed to be at a halfway house and he had used that address for his arrest and LE were aware of it, I don't know if he'd want to be squatting at that particular address if he was supposed to be elsewhere.

What I don't understand is, if he had broken into this house that many times, why would the owners, once they heard of that, let him maintain their lawn while they were away? I mean, who does that? You know a guy has been breaking into your home, so when you go out of town again, you hire him to do stuff around the home?? Doesn't make sense to me.

 

[beach]

I removed a couple of posts claiming things as fact and refusing to provide links.

If you are going to post something as a FACT, be prepared to link it up.

 

[matou]

What I don't understand is, if he had broken into this house that many times, why would the owners, once they heard of that, let him maintain their lawn while they were away? I mean, who does that? You know a guy has been breaking into your home, so when you go out of town again, you hire him to do stuff around the home?? Doesn't make sense to me.

Good point.

 

[LadyPirate]

Iirc they showed parents burned clothes at an early interview I'm guessing taken out of the burned dumpster

iirc, DB is the one who mentioned the burned clothes. Did she say that it was children's clothing? I'm wondering if perhaps it might have been adult clothing, as in clothing someone changed to get rid of stains of some type?

 

[In da Middle]

What I don't understand is, if he had broken into this house that many times, why would the owners, once they heard of that, let him maintain their lawn while they were away? I mean, who does that? You know a guy has been breaking into your home, so when you go out of town again, you hire him to do stuff around the home?? Doesn't make sense to me.

2 different houses. Squatting house was on the same street. Lwn watering house on a different street.

 

[vlpate]

What I find odd is that instead of searching for the real kidnapper of Lisa, Stanton is searching for someone to make up the kidnapper of Lisa.

Jersey's situation reminds me of Richard Ricci from the Elizabeth Smart case. He was automatically considered guilty of the crime by LE and public opinion because he had a record. In the end, he died (some say stress related), and Brian David Mittchell was found guilty of the crime.