"Jersey" and MW #2

[Elley Mae]

Thank you for this.

Jersey is definitely a tempting suspect and a creepy guy. But when LE first made the "we have moved on" from Jersey statement some of us here wondered if he had a verifiable alibi. . . on camera at one of the casinos all night, in the drunk tank or at the hospital. Now that we learn he was hit by a car and had a swollen knee, that hospital idea seems even more plausible.

I have tried to make the timeline and what we know fit with Jersey as the SODDI, but it just never seems to fit or make sense. I think somebody that apparently made his living stealing stuff from cars, would know something about stolen goods. I just can't see somebody like that using a stolen phone that he just took while kidnapping a baby and calling his ex gf, thereby implicating himself in a kidnapping.

I also think because he was picked up mid Oct (I think it was the 15th but am to tired to go check now. .lol) that he was surely questioned by LE. If he had anything to do with this, he would have been most motivated to make a plea and turn states witness. I think he would have sung like a canary. So, I'm still torn over whether he did have something to say. . .regarding the phones. But I don't think he knew anything about BL.

I also know that Jim Spellman has been trying to get to talk to him (and possibly every other reporter in KC) with no luck. LE is keeping him under tight raps. That would make sense. If this ever goes to trial, and the defense team has been spinning him as the perp, they would have to scramble after discovery and learning that he has an alibi.

All MOO

iirc he was away hunting, LE knew when he would return and talked to him then.

http://www.kmbc.com/r-video/29498238/detail.html

At one minute Capt steve young does NOT even want his name out there.

He Is NOT A Suspect.

Funny he is the only one that has been named, NOT a suspect in this case.

 

[askfornina]

iirc he was away hunting, LE knew when he would return and talked to him then.

http://www.kmbc.com/r-video/29498238/detail.html

At one minute Capt steve young does NOT even want his name out there.

He Is NOT A Suspect.

Funny he is the only one that has been named, NOT a suspect in this case.

bbm. Dane was the one that went hunting.

Dane said he had been out of town hunting until yesterday, but had been interviewed by police before that.

Read more: http://www.wptv.com/dpp/news/nation...got-call-from-irwin-family-cell#ixzz1gKX2TUEz

 

[cityslick]

iirc he was away hunting, LE knew when he would return and talked to him then.

http://www.kmbc.com/r-video/29498238/detail.html

At one minute Capt steve young does NOT even want his name out there.

He Is NOT A Suspect.

Funny he is the only one that has been named, NOT a suspect in this case.

Has anyone been named a suspect? LE continues to be adamant that there are no suspects in the case.

 

[dog.gone.cute]

Just curious, did John Couey leave DNA all over the place when he abducted Jessica Lunsford?

:seeya: city, I don't know because I did not follow Jessica's case -- I know her name but I don't know the "details" ...

:waitasec: And is John Couey the perp they gave "coloring books" to color with when he was on trial ? :crazy:

:crazy:

 

[Elley Mae]

Has anyone been named a suspect? LE continues to be adamant that there are no suspects in the case.

The point I was making is that not very often does LE rule people out as suspect.

my take is that I would want to be on that list.:great:

 

[cityslick]

:seeya: city, I don't know because I did not follow Jessica's case -- I know her name but I don't know the "details" ...

:waitasec: And is John Couey the perp they gave "coloring books" to color with when he was on trial ? :crazy:

:crazy:

No idea about the second point although I wouldn't be surprised if that was the case. :crazy:

To your first point, yes, John Couey went into the Lunsford house at 3am and abducted Jessica Lunsford.

[ame="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jessica_Lunsford"]Murder of Jessica Lunsford - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia[/ame]

 

[cityslick]

The point I was making is that not very often does LE rule people out as suspect.

my take is that I would want to be on that list.:great:

I don't think they've ruled anyone out as a 'suspect'. The wording they continue to use is 'moved on' or 'cleared' but then I would think that would change if evidence points them in that direction. I think this would be true for the parents/jersey/anyone else.

 

[dog.gone.cute]

No idea about the second point although I wouldn't be surprised if that was the case. :crazy:

To your first point, yes, John Couey went into the Lunsford house at 3am and abducted Jessica Lunsford.

Murder of Jessica Lunsford - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Thanks City for the link ... when I get time, I will read up on Jessica's case ... just so many cases to follow ... TOO MANY ... what is this world coming to ? ? :banghead:

:furious:

 

[Elley Mae]

I don't think they've ruled anyone out as a 'suspect'. The wording they continue to use is 'moved on' or 'cleared' but then I would think that would change if evidence points them in that direction. I think this would be true for the parents/jersey/anyone else.

http://www.kmbc.com/r-video/29498238/detail.html

he says it around the one minute mark

 

[cityslick]

http://www.kmbc.com/r-video/29498238/detail.html

he says it around the one minute mark

He does follow it up later when asked 'you haven't ruled anyone out' and the answer is 'yes, that's the case'.

 

[Elley Mae]

He does follow it up later when asked 'you haven't ruled anyone out' and the answer is 'yes, that's the case'.

Oh Please

 

[Truthwillsetufree]

He does follow it up later when asked 'you haven't ruled anyone out' and the answer is 'yes, that's the case'.

I think it is all semantics. Of course, LE has to "suspect" people, that is how they perform the initial steps to start an investigation. FWIW, JMO I would think that everyone close to Baby Lisa would be suspect until deemed otherwise. The neighbors would be under suspicion until deemed otherwise.
Just because LE doesn't publicly state someone is a suspect, doesn't mean they are not under the umbrella of suspicion.

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/suspect


[ame]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suspect[/ame]

 

[DeAnn]

I see this a lot and just have to ask...why do folks link to a South Florida station regularly ..WPTV ...rather than the KC station that actually originated the content? Why are out of state, out of area stations used for baby Lisa story links rather than the original source? I have often wondered but finally have to ask.

 

[tehcloser]

I see this a lot and just have to ask...why do folks link to a South Florida station regularly ..WPTV ...rather than the KC station that actually originated the content? Why are out of state, out of area stations used for baby Lisa story links rather than the original source? I have often wondered but finally have to ask.

Maybe because of the way it comes up when googled?

 

[DeAnn]

Maybe because of the way it comes up when googled?

Kansas City is west of the Mississippi. Most stations east have Ws. Most west have Ks. We don't have a single station in the KC market with a W. All Ks. If you are a linking to a "local" station with a W in it....it ain't a Kansas City station so it's subject to re-writing a sister station's story and thus room for error.....or it's just copying the original "sister" KC station.

 

[askfornina]

Maybe because of the way it comes up when googled?

yes, i just did a quick google search and that is the first link that came up. it's the exact same article as the original from NBCactionnews. it says "Russ Ptacek, nbcactionnews.com" at the top of the wptv article. i have the original bookmarked but couldn't locate it at the time.

http://www.nbcactionnews.com/dpp/ne...one-that-received-call-from-irwin-family-cell

http://www.wptv.com/dpp/news/nation...got-call-from-irwin-family-cell#ixzz1gKX2TUEz

eta: funny, i actually googled "russ ptacek nbcactionnews dane" and the first result for the article i was looking for is the wptv article. who knows why it isn't the original.

 

[tehcloser]

Kansas City is west of the Mississippi. Most stations east have Ws. Most west have Ks. We don't have a single station in the KC market with a W. All Ks. If you are a linking to a "local" station with a W in it....it ain't a Kansas City station so it's subject to re-writing a sister station's story and thus room for error.....or it's just copying the original "sister" KC station.

lol, not a clue. All I said - and what I think is happening - google lists things by hits, the one with most hits is at the top........prolly no one is speciffically googleing "local", therefore...they aren't getting as many hits. Also, one station may have better meta-tags which is pulling more hits........IDK.

 

[In da Middle]

BBM: Within two days of Baby Lisa going missing, DB and JI submitted a "list of names" of people that the parents thought might have "MOTIVE" at the REQUEST OF Law Enforcement ...

It is also SOP for LE to ASK you if you had ANY disagreements, arguments, fights, etc. with ANYONE recently, in the past, etc.

Again ... just Standard Operating Procedure for LE to ASK if you had "problems" with anyone ...


There was a lot of a discussion on here regarding the "number" of names that were submitted to LE :

See this post from Thread # 3 , which states that JI provided LE with names of 9 people who could have taken the baby:

Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community - View Single Post - MO - AMBER ALERT: Lisa Irwin, 10 months, Kansas City, 4 Oct 2011 - #3

The info regarding this "List of Names" is also included in the very helpful Timeline created by Shelby.


In My Opinion, it is "obvious" that Jersey's name was provided to LE by the parents ...

LE does not just show up at a "crime scene" and "pull names out of a hat" of individuals who have crmiinal records who MIGHT have "kidnapped" a baby ...

LE starts with the "family" then works it way "out" ...

IMO ... it is just VERY "convenient" that there happened to be a "homeless man" with a "criminal record" that includes "arson" -- the "dumpster fire" -- to "pin" this on to remove the FOCUS AWAY FROM the parents ...

All my Opinion and Sepeculation ...

:seeya:

It's obvious to me that the neighbors brought Jersey to LE's attention. The neighbor who said she saw a man carrying a baby identified the house he went to. LE then asked who lives there. Neighbors said owner is out of town but Jersey is taking care of it. LE asks where is Jersey. Neighbors say they haven't seen him since the day before. LE then goes on a mission to find Jersey and ask questions. The parents had nothing to do with this part at all. They were at the station being questioned at the time and probably had no idea what was transpiring around the neighborhood while they were not here. All of the above happened that morning.

 

[In da Middle]

I see this a lot and just have to ask...why do folks link to a South Florida station regularly ..WPTV ...rather than the KC station that actually originated the content? Why are out of state, out of area stations used for baby Lisa story links rather than the original source? I have often wondered but finally have to ask.

I think it is because of google. But I also have noticed that most of the local stations have pulled the articles already so we can't access them anymore. That could also be a reason. I have found most links I have tried from local stations do not work anymore. Can you answer why that is (not being snarky - real question)? I am talking within a week or two in a lot of cases the link goes dead.

 

[dog.gone.cute]

It's obvious to me that the neighbors brought Jersey to LE's attention. The neighbor who said she saw a man carrying a baby identified the house he went to. LE then asked who lives there. Neighbors said owner is out of town but Jersey is taking care of it. LE asks where is Jersey. Neighbors say they haven't seen him since the day before. LE then goes on a mission to find Jersey and ask questions. The parents had nothing to do with this part at all. They were at the station being questioned at the time and probably had no idea what was transpiring around the neighborhood while they were not here. All of the above happened that morning.

MOO ... I think these so-called "sightings" by the neighbors are about as believable as

:ufo: