Jodi Arias Murder Trial - the defense continues it's case in chief-*Weekend* #89

[Love Never Fails]

First time trying to post link..hope it works

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HIAq48a3fn4

Thank you. I loved watching more of this clip and the discussion that followed with the attorneys. The moderator, forgot his name, hinted the courtroom with her testifying was like Judge Lance Ito's courtroom (OJ trial). Couldn't agree more. Judge Stephens should have reigned in the defense long ago.

 

[Novice Seeker]

Regardless of whether the gun jammed, I think the knife attack had to come first. What was the point of orchestrating that ridiculous photo shoot if not to get him in a defenseless (seated) position and cornered on three sides by the shower, with her blocking the only route of flight?

I agree. Trying to piece together a broad scenario from all of the locations where there were blood stains including the areas where it looked like a blood bath had occurred.

I think she started stabbing him in the chest while he was in the shower. It startled him and when he did his best to resist and the shock of what was happening Travis fell in the shower. When Travis fell he continued to fight off the attack. In the photo of him sitting in the shower his body especially the placement of his legs, appear to be trying to "protect" from injury.

As Jodi is attacking him, Travis crawls out of the shower. At this point I don't believe he had received any of the mortal wounds yet bc IMO he continued to fight Jodi off and attempt to escape. Travis managed to somehow pull himself up at the sink as Jodi continued to attack him. I think the stab wounds to the neck happened at/near the sink which would explain the amount of blood spray and spray pattern on the sink and mirror.

I think Travis falls again while at the sink and begins to crawl. As he crawls Jodi begins to stab him in the back which would explain the blood patterns around the toilet area that could be from both the stab injuries and the knife as Jodi is swinging, imagine the knife in motions that involve her raising her arms and making swift, forceful movements as she stabs the knife into Travis.

Travis continues to crawl toward the bedroom, somehow almost making it to the carpet. I think that's when Jodi, in an absolute fit of rage bc Travis seems to be refusing to die, pushes him into the carpet and slashes his throat.

As Jodi is dragging Travis's body back into the bathroom there is an audible sound of air expressed from Travis's body which she perceives as him still breathing so she shoots him. As to why she used the gun rather than the knife I think it was either still laying where she had slashed his throat, at that point her arms felt heavy from all of the stabbing and movement of slicing his neck or the injuries to her fingers from the knife Jodi had used prevented her from stabbing him again.

Remember, this is just a general,broad idea of the sequence of events. I also think she put Travis in the shower bc it was a container/box/grave to delay anyone from finding his body. I don't think her purpose was to wash the blood off of Travis out of any emotional endearment bc sociopath's don't feel those sorts of related feelings. Whatever reason Jodi turned the shower on it was for her.

Of course this is my opinion.:rocker:

 

[Angelina Frost]

: MOTION IN LIMINE TO PRECLUDE DR. DEMARTE’S CONCLUSIONS PURSUANT TO “SARA”

Who is Sara, or is that an acronym of a certain standard of law? What does it stand for?

Could it be this?

S.A.R.A. is a commonly used problem solving model in law enforcement. It stands for "Scanning, Analysis, Response, and Assessment."

 

[Ammonitida]

No, no. She claims he threw it to her after they had sex on the front porch and it made her feel like a "gasp" prostitute. Obviously if this were true and he did throw it to her he was thinking a pretty cheap prostitute at best. I think he may have dropped it unknowingly and she used the experience to make him look bad. jmo

You know what I find ironic? One of the reasons why many Jodi supporters hate Travis is because they believe he used her for sex. They will bring up that "prostitute" comment of hers. However, she claims that she didn't want to marry him, even writes this down in her journal on Jan 24, 2008. According to her, it was Travis who wanted to tie the knot and she decline his offer. But despite her refusal to marry him, she continued to have sex with him while no longer a couple for months. If true, this would explain Travis's facebook comment about him being nothing more than a dildo with a heartbeat to her.

So who was using who for sex here?

 

[Dmacky]

Quote:
Originally Posted by Dmacky
Let's see...there are 2 stories.
1. She was going on a camping /gold mine trip with a few guys she knew, and trusted...although she would be the only woman, so just for safety.

2. She had written suicide letters and sent them grandma-ma to be opened later. She certainly couldn't kill herself in Yreka. It was to small of a city, and everybody knew everybody's business, plus she didn't want to do that to her family. So she rented a car, bought the gun....and she was leaving town to do it BUT darn ~ she was arressted before she could kill herself.

So pick one, anyone you want. Because neither are true in my opinion.

BBM Although, the fact that Yreka was too small a city where everybody knew everyboy's business was NOT the reason she drove 100 miles to Redding to rent a car. She was surprised that she didn't know or recognize anybody when she moved back to Yreka. {rrrrrrrright}

This jury has heard hundreds of inconsistencies (lies) in her testimony.

This post was about the 2nd rental car and gun she legally bought. I know it's all lies, but these are two different stories she said on the stand about the 9mm gun she had, after killing TA. One story/lie was she bought it for safety and the other story/lie was to kill herself.

 

[Soliloquy]

: MOTION IN LIMINE TO PRECLUDE DR. DEMARTE’S CONCLUSIONS PURSUANT TO “SARA”

Who is Sara, or is that an acronym of a certain standard of law? What does it stand for?

My Googling has turned up Sex Addiction Risk Assessment (?). We need an attorney.......

 

[G&AMom]

Body language is not something we normally think about. We just do it without realizing how it looks. JW sits facing the judge, side-by-side with Jodi and talks with her. Nurmi rarely talks with her. He gives us the impression he hates his job and given he defends sexual misconduct clients it is understandable. Someone has to do it and it seems to be what he has chosen, like it or not. He has put distance between he and Jodi. Even at the end of court on Thursday while he and Jodi were standing together and he leaned into her to tell her something, he kept that wall up between them. She does not like him either by her body language. When Jodi tries to use body language it comes off as fake, such as her hand jesters to the jury. jmo

I understand what you're saying. My thought here is that the witness, the prosecutor & the jury are all on the opposite side of the room. Wilmott tends to sit straight in her chair and turn her head. Nurmi is a slouch. He turns his entire body in certain directions. Wilmott would probably think it is rude to turn her back on Jodi and doesn't do it. Probably not consciously thought out on her part. Nurmi doesn't think like that.

To me, body language is a combination of conscious and unconcious. If I know that crossing my arms while talking to you is going to make me look hostile, I would stop myself even if it was my first reaction to do that. Does that make sense? I'm having a hard time explaining!

I think Nurmi may have convinced himself that Jodi really did this in self-defense, at least on some level. But he's got to be immensely frustrated with her.

 

[moonbird]

: MOTION IN LIMINE TO PRECLUDE DR. DEMARTE’S CONCLUSIONS PURSUANT TO “SARA”

Who is Sara, or is that an acronym of a certain standard of law? What does it stand for?

perhaps it's Spousal Assault Risk Assessment...

 

[Zeno49]

Regardless of whether the gun jammed, I think the knife attack had to come first. What was the point of orchestrating that ridiculous photo shoot if not to get him in a defenseless (seated) position and cornered on three sides by the shower, with her blocking the only route of flight?

In theory “the gun first” sequence remains a serious but not necessarily a winning contender.

It would be entirely rational for JA to maneuver TA into a confined space in order to complete the murder. Killing with a knife is very hard to accomplish. The best way is to thrust a knife into the heart’s left ventricle. Arrhythmia and exsanguination will follow but death takes some time. Slicing the carotid arteries will result in exsanguination but also after a time. The knife attack always invites defensive maneuvers which cannot be anticipated and is innately risky.

The safest and surest way to murder is by employing a well-directed gunshot wound to the head. Had JA shot TA using a better angle- ie direct through the temple at a horizontal pitch- she would be done. No muss; no fuss!!!!
[NOTE- I believe if JA had achieved killing TA with one gun shot to the head while he was in the shower her death trip might have been successful. HOWEVER, in this scenario the only linkage between JA to TA would have been the use of a 25 caliber gun. Police might have found out about the burglary and then pursued her alibi. Police might have discovered a missing 18 hours in her story detailing the Pasadena to SLC road trip]

TA’s gunshot to the head assumed a trajectory that was both downward and toward his left side. This trajectory is entirely consistent with a gun bearing JA standing beside the shower stall and shooting down and into TA upward gazing face. The first shot largely in front and involving the left face did not render TA immediately unconscious. So she could have fired again in which case the gun jammed.

 

[Soliloquy]

This post was about the 2nd rental car and gun she legally bought. I know it's all lies, but these are two different stories she said on the stand about the 9mm gun she had, after killing TA. One story/lie was she bought it for safety and the other story/lie was to kill herself.

I know. The 9mm lies just reminded me of more of her lies with regards to other subjects in her testimony. That's the problem with psychopaths.... they don't realize the overlap in lies.

 

[Nosey Parker]

: MOTION IN LIMINE TO PRECLUDE DR. DEMARTE’S CONCLUSIONS PURSUANT TO “SARA”

Who is Sara, or is that an acronym of a certain standard of law? What does it stand for?

I only know it as Sexual Assault Response Advocate. Doesn't seem to apply here. We need one of our lawyers.

 

[Love Never Fails]

Me neither. I wonder if she sought the comfort of another male...that would be so Jodi. Do you think she took any mini road trips to snuggle with MM or DB? My guess would be DB. He sure didn't want to say anything bad about her. He seems to hold a few secrets to himself.

I thought a lot about DB last night. Her telling him she was going to AZ. Borrowing the gas cans from him. I think she had to get rid of that DVD player she she stole from her grandparents and she gave it to Darryl's son maybe as a gift? Maybe that is why she had to go back to his house was so she could take the remote? She sure wouldn't want to be caught with the remote later on. Maybe she borrowed money from him also? I believe he knows way more than he testified to and wouldn't offer up anything on Jodi because he felt they were friends. Wonder if he can be recalled on rebuttal? I know the judge completely dismissed Gus Searcy but I don't believe DB was dismissed.

 

[Harmony 2]

*friendly reminder: no disparaging remarks about the defense team.* thanks

 

[Love Never Fails]

Here's my theory about her ongoing additions and changes to the gun story -- she is a psychopath, right? So she really has no way of knowing what emotions and thoughts are behind the jury questions about the gun, especially since she cannot see the actual jurors asking the questions and read their expressions. She gets the deadpan reading from the judge and does not know what it means because she does not cue to normal human thoughts and emotions.

She is misinterpreting the jury questions as sincere questions seeking clarification and explanation -- since they asked about the box the gun was in, she thinks they must really believe the gun was in a box, so she just goes with it thinking she is connecting with one of the jurors. She is not careful to keep track of her story because she is misreading the cues from the questions, and you can see she answers those jury questions without even pausing or blinking or missing a beat - because she thinks she is manipulating them.

She is more cautious with Juan because she knows he is trying to convict her, so she reads malice into every single thing he asks. Since he brings up that the gun was unloaded, she adds in that it was also loaded -- on the fly, just throws that in there to respond to what she assumes is Juan's trickery. She is trying to throw him off balance, trying to win at his game, clueless to the way that she is perceived by everyone who watches her.

^^ I think this, more than anything, is why she adamantly and stubbornly denied the third gas can -- she did not want Juan to be right about this, no matter what, without concern or shame in anticipation of being exposed as flat-out lying to the jurors.

Great post!

 

[Truth Detector]

I still lean more towards believing the gunshot came first.

Why? Because what other reason would she of stole it from grandparents. (premeditated)

Order of sequence: moo

1. They wake up 12:00ish have sex romp , Jodi did not get "love" from Travis.
2. Travis kicks her out and he believes he is done with Jodi because she is going to Utah to see Ryan B. (which i'm not sure if Travis even knew about this).
3. She sneaks back in (as she usually does) and takes pics of him showering without his knowledge. She pulls out the "gun" shoots him in the head. (last pic of look of terror, sadness).
4. The gunshot "unfazes him" and he manages to step out of the shower and "lunges" at her to defend himself.
5. He is leaning over the sink; Jodi realizes Travis is not dead and runs and gets a "knife".
6. She starts stabbing him in the back, head.
7. He turns around (defensive wounds); she stabs him in the chest (heart).
8. He manages to STILL fight for life and crawls down the hall towards to doorway to get out of the bedroom.
9. She grabs him, and slits his throat.
All in less then 2 minutes....
10. She drags him back to the shower, turns it on and makes a feeble attempt to clean-up.

Then the FOG .....

I believe that the gun was always plan B with her.

She realized that it needed to look like she wasn't there, then intruder, then self-defense.

But she ALWAYS planned to get in close and personal, to torture, stab, cut, slice, and finally slash his throat with all the hate she could channel. She was shaking alright, but less like a chihuahua than a pit bull quivering in frenzied attack mode.

When he still wouldn't die quickly enough from the infliction of the throat slash/gaping slaughter wound (or so she thought) only then did she shoot him.

I revert to my representation via mathematical equation:

(Woman_Scorned) X Knife X Gun > Fury_Of_Hell

 

[Ammonitida]

I'm still excited about the gas can business. I'm so relieved that Juan was not bluffing. Of all the evidence for premeditation, I thought the gas can issue was the weakest. How surprising that it may turn out to be the "smoking gun". Jodi caught telling a lie to the jury about an issue involving premeditation. This will NOT look good for her.

 

[Nosey Parker]

*friendly reminder: no disparaging remarks about the defense team.* thanks

:blushing:

 

[elmomom]

Can someone tell me who Sky Hughes is? I know she had TA's journal, and that part of it, but I have no clue who she is, how she fits in the story and knew the players before the murder. Thx

 

[G&AMom]

I believe that the gun was always plan B with her.

She realized that it needed to look like she wasn't there, then intruder, then self-defense.

But she ALWAYS planned to get in close and personal, to torture, stab, cut, slice, and finally slash his throat with all the hate she could channel. She was shaking alright. But less like a chihuahua than a pit bull quivering in frenzied attack mode.

When he still wouldn't die quickly enough from the infliction of the throat slash/gaping slaughter wound (or so she thought) only then did she shoot him.

I revert to my representation via mathematical equation:

(Woman_Scorned) X Knife X Gun > Fury_Of_Hell

Definitely agreed as to the "personal" aspect. Lots of anger there.

Someone else suggested that she brought two weapons to bolster her "two intruders" argument.

 

[Nosey Parker]

Can someone tell me who Sky Hughes is? I know she had TA's journal, and that part of it, but I have no clue who she is, how she fits in the story and knew the players before the murder. Thx

Sky, and her husband Chris Hughes, were good friends of Travis - familiar with Arias (didn't like her), and I believe Chris was the one that signed Travis up for Prepaid Legal.