Jodi Arias Murder Trial - the defense continues it's case in chief-*Weekend* #90

[Thurston]

O/T but I can't just ignore that this is one of those most depressing mornings. one of my very good friends has a best friend she grew up with and who's brother married her sister. Easy to follow for a sleuther. Anyway, late last night I was informed that her best friend's 4-yr old granddaughter died last evening in a drowning accident at the grandfather's house during a birthday party for another grandchild. I am so sick to my stomach for the family.

First, it's my worst fear. My daughter has a pool, and my two granddaughter's are both under that age. Second, my own daughters friend had the same thing happen with her two yr old. Maybe it comes with my risk/safety management career, but I am obsessed with keeping people safe.

Which leads me to the circling around to this trial. With all the natural disasters (and I do include man made in those), accidents, and diseases that cause such suffering....there is no excuse for senseless violence. Life is too precious as it is. I think this is why I am so sickened with unnecessary violence and feel so strongly in holding these perps accountable.

I don't like to think of evil, and I want to align my life with those who channel the best in humanity, but clearly I am not as enlightened as I wish I was, because I want nothing more than to hear "Guilty" and have her sentenced in accordance with those the family desires.

My heart goes out to you.

I agree with you:
I don't like to think of evil, and I want to align my life with those who channel the best in humanity, but clearly I am not as enlightened as I wish I was, because I want nothing more than to hear "Guilty" and have her sentenced in accordance with those the family desires.[/QUOTE]

 

[SunDawnn]

Her confident attitude is probably due to her sociopathic personality and having made her way through life by getting away with telling lies (at least until now). another possibility Is that it is a facade. It might be some combination of the two.

I don't think she has a card up her sleeve.

What was the magazine encryption all about? Juan didn't spend too much time on that and in fact, I don't even know Jodi's position on that whole debacle, do you? What is her stance? Is she denying she wrote in those magazines (even though it looks exactly like her handwriting)?

I think she definitely has something up her sleeve. Maybe not to the magnitude of flipping the jury but she's got people who are actually siding with her on the outside. I mean, that alone....how the heck does THAT happen? :what:


[video=youtube;cXNLKe1ft1k]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cXNLKe1ft1k[/video]

 

[eLeL724]

I tend to think she did the majority of her clean up at the house. I think there would be a whole lot more blood around the house just with the laundry , placing the gate, etc. she did. She had to have been DRENCHED with blood after that brutality so she had to change clothes, shower. I think she may have had residual blood on her hands from grabbing weapons and items that were bloody at the last minute. But as far as her person I think she was pretty cleaned up by the time she left. THere would also have been blood all over that rental car if she got in it "as is".

I think she was VERY well planned with this murder which explains the lack of wounds on herself and the way she got her clothes etc disposed of which also speaks to her own "cleanup".

Wasn't a cup found near the shower that they believed she used to help wash TA's body with (when he lay dead crumpled up in the shower? She had to be filling that cup with water and splashing it all over him, and would've did this over and over until she was satisfied that she washed all the blood away so maybe it was during this time she was able to take her bloody clothes off and splash herself down. Another opportunity to quickly clean/rid herself of all the blood could have been to just jump in the shower afterwards. The shower was left running from the very start of her attack on TA and it would've been still running minutes later when she drug his body back to it/placed it there so she could best wash it w/o making any more of a hot mess of that bedroom/bathroom. Since she was going to take the time/found it important to clean him off, then it wouldn't be a stretch for her to quickly undress herself of her bloody clothes & climb into the shower (while straddling TA's body with her legs) and rinse herself off as well. That rental car had SOME blood in it, but nothing to alarm the rental employees when they got the car back from JA. The amount was enough to notice but not enough to sound alarm bells (they chalked the red stains up to being spilled kool-aid) & if JA had gotten into that car immediately after killing TA without cleaning herself up then that car woulda been covered in blood (at least the driver's seat would have been). So this tells me that she DEF cleaned herself up pretty well BEFORE she left her murder scene. [Start of Sarcastic tone] You think that Honest Abe JA would've made sure to tell us about her little post-murder birdbath if it happened though. She probably doesn't remember the cold shower afterwards where she took the time to clean herself off because of that damn fog. Who says taking a cold shower (almost always) wakes a person (most humans) up? [End Sarcastic tone] Apparently not JA, so says JA -but then again- I feel strongly that JA is of another land/ancestry than the rest of us human beings. From hell is my best guess.

 

[AlanCFA]

She actually called them "cinderblocks". Indicating something very low to the ground....like parking bumpers. Just saying, she made that stuff up about the skaters and probably does not remember the actual layout but she thinks she will never get called on her lies anyway.

That's my point. She is lying, but if it were someone who was actually innocent who said "cinder blocks" it would probably simply be that they had a memory lapse. I once witnessed a car accident and when the insurance company called to ask what I had seen, they also asked about the intersection in which it occurred.

I said it was two lanes in each direction with no dedicated left turn lanes. A week or so later, I went by that intersection and saw that it was two lanes in each direction, but it DID have dedicated left turn lanes in addition. This was the city in which I grew up and I had crossed that intersection hundreds of times and still made the error.

My point is that while we know she is lying, I would not say that her saying "cinder blocks" was proof that she lied.

 

[LambChop]

Her confident attitude is probably due to her sociopathic personality and having made her way through life by getting away with telling lies (at least until now). another possibility Is that it is a facade. It might be some combination of the two.

I don't think she has a card up her sleeve.

She's been in jail for almost 5 years. She must have met at least one woman would knows someone who is good at breaking and entering a residence. Just way too much of a coincidence, don't you think. Not hard to imagine the jury will think so, too, when the psychologist has to testify based on her memory only. jmo

 

[LambChop]

That's my point. She is lying, but if it were someone who was actually innocent who said "cinder blocks" it would probably simply be that they had a memory lapse. I once witnessed a car accident and when the insurance company called to ask what I had seen, they also asked about the intersection in which it occurred.

I said it was two lanes in each direction with no dedicated left turn lanes. A week or so later, I went by that intersection and saw that it was two lanes in each direction, but it DID have dedicated left turn lanes in addition. This was the city in which I grew up and I had crossed that intersection hundreds of times and still made the error.

My point is that while we know she is lying, I would not say that her saying "cinder blocks" was proof that she lied.

I think the cinder blocks was just her description for cement bumpers in parking areas. Not something you describe everyday so it sounds as if she is recalling them from memory and did not know what they are called. I don't even know what they are officially called. lol

 

[ChristYTN]

Could someone repost the link to the "body language/lies" that was posted yesterday? I've lost that post and can't remember who posted.

Wish we had a * favorite post* button so we could find them later...lol. Fast moving threads.

Have a great Monday everyone!

 

[Elley Mae]

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=30915

According to this there are 20 shower photos.

http://tinypic.com/view.php?pic=2n6cgfa&s=6 Thanks Sundawnn

According to this collage there are 17.

It appears there are 3 that have not been shown. jmo

 

[Southern_Meadow]

Plus, if she had had an accomplice, she would have turned on him before the handcuffs clinked shut.

Exactly. There was no accomplice. This was done by JA and JA alone.

 

[kaRN]

My math is a llittle different:

44 seconds between 5:30:30 and 5:31:14
62 seconds between 5:31:14 and 5:32:16
76 seconds between 5:32:16 and 5:33:32

I think you are allowing 100 seconds per minute, rather than 60. Am I wrong?

Metric minutes :floorlaugh:

 

[Dmacky]

She's been in jail for almost 5 years. She must have met at least one woman would knows someone who is good at breaking and entering a residence. Just way too much of a coincidence, don't you think. Not hard to imagine the jury will think so, too, when the psychologist has to testify based on her memory only. jmo

We know she has changed teams ( "for the lack of a better word") and has herself a new lover/felon/girlfriend :giggle:

 

[R.U.Kidding!]

Here are the shower photos in order:
I can't insert the photo so I'm hoping one of the two links will retain the cookies.
http://i49.tinypic.com/2n6cgfa.jpg
http://tinypic.com/r/2n6cgfa/6

Thanks SunDawn,

Take a look at them and see what YOU think--Maybe it is just me.

These are the same photo sequence I used in my post.

 

[SweetT]

Her confident attitude is probably due to her sociopathic personality and having made her way through life by getting away with telling lies (at least until now). another possibility Is that it is a facade. It might be some combination of the two.

I don't think she has a card up her sleeve.

She was also confident that when confronted with God on her actions that she would be in Peace knowing she had done nothing. GMAB! I don't believe a word out of her mouth. I have met psychopaths that are most confident when they know the truth would hurt their story and even when confronted with their lies...I am not buying it. I also know that the media and others say she is attractive/pretty, but I do not see that at all. I see a very ugly woman who is nothing without her bleached hair and made up face.

 

[SweetT]

We know she has changed teams ( "for the lack of a better word") and has herself a new lover/felon/girlfriend :giggle:

I hadn't heard about that but would not be surprised at all if it were true.

 

[DebinGA]

I think it was HER fantasy and he was just talking about it (in the phone call) to indulge her. In the email, he was ALSO talking about it in a way that makes me think it was HER fantasy and she can damn well get some other guy to do it.

Absolutely, it was her idea. She even testified iirc to scouting out a woodsy location. Amazon sells all kinds of "sexy women" costumes - teacher, schoolgirl, cop, librarian, vampire, etc., and I bet Jodi had collected them for years.

http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_sb_ss_c_0_19?url=search-alias%3Dapparel&field-keywords=sexy+women+costumes&sprefix=sexy+women+costumes%2Caps%2C287

 

[Nosey Parker]

The car rental guy. He said yep, but blonde.
I do think she colored her hair, but I don't know if it's worth chasing with everything else Juan has.

Agreed. Unless Juan has definite proof of a hair colouring procedure along the way, I think it's safe to say she began to change the appearance of her hair - blonde frontal streaks, etc. - prior to the trip. Not the strongest point in the premeditation theory, but the jury is no doubt suspicious.

 

[momof7]

We know she has changed teams ( "for the lack of a better word") and has herself a new lover/felon/girlfriend :giggle:

I have seen this said many times, but is there a link? Somehow I missed this whole thing.

Kelly

 

[Bluewater_Girl]

She's been in jail for almost 5 years. She must have met at least one woman would knows someone who is good at breaking and entering a residence. Just way too much of a coincidence, don't you think. Not hard to imagine the jury will think so, too, when the psychologist has to testify based on her memory only. jmo

LambChop - do you know for sure that the psychologist did not have her data backed up? Anything could have happened with the laptop if it wasn't stolen, for example the hard drive could have failed. I would hope that she still has the data available, but maybe I've missed something (the threads move fast LOL)?lease:

 

[Elley Mae]

http://www.hlntv.com/slideshow/2013/01/03/jodi-arias-evidence-photos-nancy-grace-mysteries-day-4

Has it been brought up about the picture 134 of 180? I may have missed it. Is it jodi?

 

[Wake_me]

What was the magazine encryption all about? Juan didn't spend too much time on that and in fact, I don't even know Jodi's position on that whole debacle, do you? What is her stance? Is she denying she wrote in those magazines (even though it looks exactly like her handwriting)?

I think she definitely has something up her sleeve. Maybe not to the magnitude of flipping the jury but she's got people who are actually siding with her on the outside. I mean, that alone....how the heck does THAT happen? :what:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cXNLKe1ft1k

Apparently it was a message for MM to be delivered from Donovan. She didn't deny it, or give an explanation. When asked about the numbers written down in the second magazine she said they looked like "page numbers". If she was going to play dumb, I don't think she would have said 'page' numbers, but just numbers. I assume she already has an excuse lined up.