Jodi Arias TAKES THE STAND #25 *may contain graphic and adult content*

[katiecoolady]

Oh geez just thought of the other thing. Shana Hogan said that in the police report it indicates Jodi stole all of Travis' journals and I guess he wrote copiously in these leather bound journals and she stole them. Elisha thought that she'd burned them. Evil evil Devil Witch.

 

[karengo]

It was 1/9

Thank you

 

[Karmady]

Ask an attorney on that attorney thread.

Just because the defense presents evidence doesn't mean it's true, verified, etc. the defense doesn't have to prove anything. That's the states job.


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I'm not saying it necessarily has to be true or verified (although most times exhibits entered into evidence are), I'm just saying it's unlikely that the defense would have physical evidence marked and admitted and have the witness testify about it if they didn't know they could establish its authenticity -- especially evidence of this nature which is subject to potential technological, clinical and visual authentication. jmo

In other words, don't let your client lie on the stand if there's an extremely good chance that she will be impeached by objective evidence. That would be well beyond the merely bad lawyering we've seen so far imo

 

[katiecoolady]

Confused here! Who's the bf who JA said committed suicide? I thought that was Bobby? Does anyone remember?

She said she'd heard Bobby attempted suicide by slitting his wrists and ended up in a Psych hospital. Take it with this grain of salt served on a platter of Saltines though because it only has come from her salty lips.

 

[Karmady]

Thank you

you are most welcome

 

[katiecoolady]

Is he the one in the photos?????????

I don't know if anyone has seen him in person but just talked on the phone. and / or emails.

 

[Karmady]

Confused here! Who's the bf who JA said committed suicide? I thought that was Bobby? Does anyone remember?

He didn't actually commit suicide. That was just a persistent misremembering of her testimony which was that he tried and failed and was committed for a period of time and that she learned of that after the fact.

 

[Linda7NJ]

I'm not saying it necessarily has to be true or verified (although most times exhibits entered into evidence are), I'm just saying it's unlikely that the defense would have physical evidence marked and admitted and have the witness testify about it if they didn't know they could establish its authenticity -- especially evidence of this nature which is subject to potential technological, clinical and visual authentication. jmo

In other words, don't let your client lie on the stand if there's an extremely good chance that she will be impeached by objective evidence. That would be well beyond the merely bad lawyering we've seen so far imo

Not to laugh at you but come on!!! Her lawyer knows she's a liar! What else can he do?

Chance she'll be impeached??? Count on it! IMO

I feel bad for her lawyer, he didn't want to defend her. Who could blame him? He doesn't have the money to verify what Jodi told him. Her word means nothing to me. If Jodi told him that was Travis... That's foundation enough when pared with forensic computer dude.


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[katiecoolady]

Now that i think of it it is my suspicion that Juan there at the end told the family they would not have to worry about the audio tape being played today (or at all). The 3 siblings all sat together on the aisle today which I guessed it was to make a quick exit if that came on. I think that's what that may have been about because honestly I thought Nurmi was gonna try and leave the jury on that note for this long break.

 

[Pensfan]

The Charming Psychopath
http://www.psychologytoday.com/articles/199401/charming-psychopath?page=5

 

[*~Aimee~*]

So did the pictures get released for public viewing today. I wonder if they were the ones from the other day. I agree with nursebee that it looked AA in the pictures. I think unless they have his face also it shouldn't be allowed in court. There is no way of proving otherwise.

 

[minor4th]

So, if I'm a juror and have been paying attention, here's what would stand out to me and what I would want to know:

1. Jodi has engaged in weird stalking behavior in nearly every relationship she's had.

Bobby -- after Bobby left the library computer, Jodi took Bobby to his friend's house, and then returned to the library, where she accidentally hit the back button on the library computer and happened to bring up Bobby's hotmail account -- at which time she proceeded to actually read the emails in his account. She then printed off the emails and took them to Bobby and confronted him about them.

Matt -- While hanging out with Matt's Dad's girlfriend, she just happened to see pics of Matt with another girl, B. THEN, 2 people she didn't even know approached her and took a vote to tell her Matt was cheating on her. She called in sick to work, drove to another state to confront Matt and this Bianca girl -- Matt wasn't there, but "Steve" found it necessary to go warn Bianca. She confronted her at her home and talked to her for an hour and a half.

Travis -- she kept hitting back button on his computer until she ended up in his email account. She then proceeded to read every email between him and a female. Saw that he was flirting with girls about making out and was having "affair" with married LDS woman.

She snooped through his text messages when he was napping.

She logged on to his Facebook and Gmail accounts way after they were broken up and after she had moved back to California. She explained that Travis had given her the passwords to "re-establish trust" months after they had broken up. This is not believable.

She listened to Travis' voicemails 4 hours after she murdered him.

2. She moved in with every boy she dated.

3. Every time she got pissed, she packed up and moved, usually to another city. She was pissed at her parents for grounding her, so she quit school and moved in with a vampire and his elderly hoarder parents/grandparents. She was pissed at Bobby so she moved out and went back to visit Victor. She was pissed at Matt so she moved again to another city to get away from him.

4. Every time she broke up with a boy, she got back together with him and continued to have sex with him -- sometimes moved back in with him, and continued hanging out with his friends and family.

5. Every time she got a new boyfriend, she got a new religion

6. All of the "cheating", which led to the snooping and confrontations seems to have taken place after Jodi and her boyfriend-du-jour had already broken up. She just didn't seem to accept the breakup and continued to expect the ex boyfriends to be "faithful" even after the relationship ended.


So you put all this in context, and if I were on that jury, I would think the last visit to Travis was not something Travis knew about or invited. Based on her pattern with other boyfriends, as a jury member, I would believe that she went to confront Travis because she was pissed. I would think about how she behaved with other boyfriends and consider that she took a gun and knife with her this time -- and it would be pretty clear that she was so pissed that she drove several hundred miles to confront Travis and kill him.

 

[Boodles]

Now that i think of it it is my suspicion that Juan there at the end told the family they would not have to worry about the audio tape being played today (or at all). The 3 siblings all sat together on the aisle today which I guessed it was to make a quick exit if that came on. I think that's what that may have been about because honestly I thought Nurmi was gonna try and leave the jury on that note for this long break.

I was just positive this was going to be the case...thus the droning on trying to take up time.

Did Juan do something to stop it, i.e., request to adjourn early?

 

[Zuri]

Thank you so much for being our eyes and ears in the courtroom. You looked stunning! I know the family appreciates your caring and kind words. As we both know, it means a lot. Hugs to you and TA family

 

[Sulamith]

Originally Posted by Sulamith
Did you get the impression that Travis told all his friends all the details of his personal life with his ex-girlfriends, or if he only told them all about JA because she was so strange?

I really don't know...but actually can you rephrase this question because maybe I am oxygen deprived or tired but I've read this about 4 times and I'm still kinda :waitasec:

Man..I should give myself an objection. This thread is moving so fast I cannot find your post that I replied to. IIRC, you said that one of TA's friends said that he would not have sent JA the Valentine's present. My questions: How would his friends know what he did or did not sent to JA. Did TA make it a habit to tell his friends what gifts he gave his previous girlfriends?

TA's friends are giving interviews on TV saying things like she was a Nympo. It seems to me like he overshared with his friends. I think I am older than most posters on this forum..but it seems like his friends sure knew a lot about him and his personal life. In my day, we did not kiss and tell.

I need to say, I am not defending JA.

 

[christee]

So JA said TA bent her over on his desk...the pics LE took of his office showed his desk was not cleaned off. I guess they put stuff back on the desk, that is if anything really happened on the desk.

 

[*~Aimee~*]

Confused here! Who's the bf who JA said committed suicide? I thought that was Bobby? Does anyone remember?

ETA: Never mind! Apparently it was an attempt, not completed. :blushing:

I thought he attempted it but that they got back together years later?? If I remember right.....so many boy toys she has had.

 

[sourgrapes]

Katiecoolady,

How many cameras are there in the courtroom?

 

[Nova]

Remember Jose Baez and his opening statement? He never proved it. Seems they can get by with anything nowadays.

That's not really analogous. For one thing, opening statements are not evidence. The rules for evidence are much stricter.

For another, the judge in the CA case had no way of knowing that Baez had no intention of proving anything he said in his opening remarks. Traditionally, the idea was that juries would punish a lawyer who pulled such a stunt, but obviously they did not in that case.

 

[mollyf]

Oh geez just thought of the other thing. Shana Hogan said that in the police report it indicates Jodi stole all of Travis' journals and I guess he wrote copiously in these leather bound journals and she stole them. Elisha thought that she'd burned them. Evil evil Devil Witch.

Wow, she wants to thoroughly annihilate Travis. So sad, for everyone. I'm actually beginning to re-think my stance on the DP. Just awful.