Jodi Arias TAKES THE STAND #26 *may contain graphic and adult content*

[ATasteOfHoney]

..."and what if I decline, Judge"??? :great:

 

[thefragile7393]

I'm ambivalent...right down the middle. Logically I have no problem, could probably throw the switch and insert the needle. But another part of me feels its intrinsically wrong.

I can live with it & can respect those for and against.


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I don't think every capital murder case calls for a death penalty. I think the definition of heinous, cruel, and over and above murder one qualifies and I have no problem saying that people like, say, Jodi Arias, Scott Peterson, Wendi Andriano, Richard Ramirez, Darlie Routier, Richard Allan Davis should absolutely have the death penalty for their heinous crimes. I believe Ted Bundy and John Gacy got what they deserved. The above people, for instance, will get (or got) a far more humane death than what their victims got. I don't necessarily believe that every person on death row should be there. There is one woman in my state that I would love to see a retrial on simply because there is no evidence stating that she confessed-except for a detective with previous misconduct charges saying she did. no recordings, no nada. Too much room for doubt. So I can go either way easily. In a case like this though....this is heinous and above and beyond murder one. I would love to see her on DR.

 

[Sleuth13]

y'all were talking about plastic surgery and it made me think - if JA is in jail for another couple of decades her current below average boob job is going to be REEAAAAAALLL bad!! i wonder if they would bring someone in to remove them?

 

[ILikeToBendPages]

..."and what if I decline, Judge"??? :great:

Do you have an attorney? Not at this time says a top seller of Pre Paid Legal services.

 

[FrayedKnot]

THIS has been bothering me for days too.
Why would Travis ever do or say anything that would lead her on after everything that had been going on?
I went back to the pictures she took that day.
Travis appears to be sleeping in one & wakes up & throws a peace sign in the other.
Could it be possible there wasn't any sex that day?
Yes it could.
Maybe she got there & asked to crash on the couch after he turned her down. She does say nothing happened until the next day.
Maybe Travis always sleeps in the raw & she got up & seen the camera, went into his room while he is still alseep, put that KY jelly there to make it look like they had sex & started snapping pictures.
As for the nudes of herself she could have took them anytime during those hours she was there.
Another thing.. if they did have sex I'm sure JA would have marked her territory by either giving him a hickey or would have made sure to leave scratches all over his back, unless ofcourse she intended to kill him & not leave evidence behind.
I really think he turned her down that day & that's why it was such a rage killing.

Really?

I think that is awfully convoluted and contrived, even for JA.

I am trying to picture myself napping, buck nekkid, in my home. When suddenly I awakened by the sound of the camera shutter and lo and behold, it is none other than the man of whom I am deathly afeared and with whom I have steadfastly refused to engage in sexual activity with!

So, naturally, my first reaction is to throw a peace sign?

And of course, my hoo-ha is perfectly shaved because even though I am a virgin, it's important to not only shave one's pubes, but relay that info to members of the opposite sex with whom I am just "buds". Because a a devout Mormon, pube conversations are all the rage.

C'mon guys? Seriously?

MOO but Travis definitely had sex with Jodi. And quite possibly before Jodi.

And the only reason ANYONE would care is the vehement insistence that TA was a virgin....some are saying until JA, some are saying until his death.....:waitasec:

 

[katiecoolady]

I'm going to pull a Gus and plead the 5th!

Me too...let's grab our fifth and some vermouth and a martini shaker and call it a party.
:great:

 

[Gypsy Road]

Ahahahahaha!

My sisters and I used to laugh at my Mom for calling tissues "Kleenex" and ANY soft drink was a "Coke".

HA HA! I'm guilty of that. Cokes and Kleenex! Yup, I can relate!

Now my husband...he calls...erm...any feminine product - KOTEX! Whether it's panty shields, tampons or maxi-pads - doesn't matter the brand - it's ALL Kotex to him. :blushing:

 

[hinman]

I have a quick question. How long into the relationship was it that Jodi felt she was being abused physically and mentally, and if it was with in the first month why oh why would she keep stalking him and calling him.

 

[Gypsy Road]

Do you have an attorney? Not at this time says a top seller of Pre Paid Legal services.

...and on National t.v. for crying out loud! And it will forever be immortalized on Youtube!

 

[gitana1]

I felt/feel just like this. I NEED justice to be right this time or I will lose faith in our court system completely. It's hanging on by thread at the moment.

Amen.

DB seems like he was a decent man. Certainly loves his son. Had a nice home and generally steady employment.

To JA, he was saddled by a son, one she clearly didn't seem that interested in. And he wasn't able to take her on all sorts of lovely vacations. Plus, she had to pay half the mortgage. That's real life, not the fairy tale jodi felt she was entitled to.

Okay, was looking for the photo that TotallyObsessed can't make out, did a google search for 'jodi arias crime scene photos' then clicked on photos....if you don't want to see a very graphic photo of TA in the shower, please do not ever do that search. Traumatized right now. I can't imagine being a juror in this case.

Thank you. I have never seen those photos and hope never to.

:tyou:

I hope someone has contacted the DA's office with this information. It appears it could be vital for the States case!

JMHO
fran

http://www.azbar.org/findalawyer

Got to GET EVEN MORE SPECIFIC and type in Juan Martinez.

I think I can see it now. Is that his ear? Top right where the large black circle cuts through?

No. That's his shoulder.

This picture is the nail in her coffin, imo.

I never understood how his head is crooked forward in that picture though..as his arms seem lifted. Was he possibly still alive?

He may have been but I doubt he was holding his head up of his own volition. When people are dragged by someone standing above them, and they are dragged by the arms while facing up, their head do not loll back onto the ground, usually, but instead slump forward onto their chest.

There are quite a few pictures of them traveling to different places in the US. It is hard to say what their relationship was.

I find it curious that Jodi lived in and was exposed to mega money that she was so impressed with eating at some fancy dinner.

I still do not understand why she didn't hook up with some rich guy like Anna Nicole Smith did. She certainly saw the men and life style where she lived.

Jewels, vacations, shopping on Rodeo Drive. Maybe she was going that route since she did get her boob job.

jodi was no Anna Nicole Smith. Travis was pay dirt for her.

Is he in the shower at this point? TIA The picture I did not mean to see showed him face up kinda in the shower in this picture he is face down right? lol I am trying to see it :banghead:

Face up and being dragged down the hallway.

ugh worse thoughts even..what if she was pulling him by his hair?
his head seems like it's lifted forward on its own.. if he was already dead, wouldn't it flop back? (sorry so graphic )

Not if he was face up and being dragged by his arms. That would lift his head and chest to some degree.

he's on his back, head tilted forward, right shoulder semi lifted from tile floor.
I'm not sure how I am one of the few that can see it easily?

I see it!!!

Thank you so much for this - it helped me finally see it! Makes you wonder how in the world this picture was taken when she was dragging him....:waitasec:

I often wonder that. I think it was bouncing around and might have been on auto?

Gitana, thanks for stepping in. I am still confused. I pulled the wrong document earlier. I have the correct
one linked below.
It appears to me that Nurmi tried every way he could to withdraw from this case. Quoting from the proper set of minutes:

The Court declines to allow Mr. Nurmi to withdraw
from his representation of the Defendant in this matter, or to allow Mr. Peterson
to substitute as counsel. Once counsel is appointed to a case, he “shall
continue to represent [his client] in all further proceedings in the trial court,
. . . unless the court permits him . . . to withdraw.” Rule 6.3(b), Ariz.R.Crim.P.

http://www.courtminutes.maricopa.gov/docs/Criminal/032011/m4631558.pdf

The court has not permitted him to withdraw in this case. That does not mean the court never permits a lawyer to withdraw. What you cited shows a lawyer can withdraw. The grounds would be as songline suggested, that a case is so repugnant to a lawyer, they cannot represent the person further:

Client-Lawyer Relationship
Rule 1.16 Declining Or Terminating Representation

(a) Except as stated in paragraph (c), a lawyer shall not represent a client or, where representation has commenced, shall withdraw from the representation of a client if:
(1) the representation will result in violation of the rules of professional conduct or other law;
(2) the lawyer's physical or mental condition materially impairs the lawyer's ability to represent the client; or
(3) the lawyer is discharged.

(b) Except as stated in paragraph (c), a lawyer may withdraw from representing a client if:
(1) withdrawal can be accomplished without material adverse effect on the interests of the client;
(2) the client persists in a course of action involving the lawyer's services that the lawyer reasonably believes is criminal or fraudulent;
(3) the client has used the lawyer's services to perpetrate a crime or fraud;
(4) the client insists upon taking action that the lawyer considers repugnant or with which the lawyer has a fundamental disagreement;

http://www.americanbar.org/groups/p..._declining_or_terminating_representation.html

But, the lawyer must file a motion to withdraw and his or her motion can be denied. Murni's was denied. The fact that he could file one at all proves that lawyers can and do withdraw, however.

So I do see all the foot/shoulder/pants/arm components of the picture but I don't get two things. The first is how the foot is so huge compared to his head and shoulder. I get foreground and all that but if she's dragging him, wouldn't his head be really close to her foot and thus appear large? Next, how is the camera dropped and taking a picture of the ceiling 45 seconds after the seated picture, then it's still right by them to snap this picture with the foot? How???

Did you see this photo?:

It's merely perspective. The foot and pant leg we can see of jodi's in the photo is the one farthest from the body. She is likely in a somewhat sideways position, trying to get leverage. The other foot would likely be right up next to his lower chest or stomach region, on his left hand side, I think.

 

[Teresa]

I watched some of the recaps today and was struck by how much I could and did pick apart today. Instead of focusing on her, I paid attention to what and how things were said. I'm thinking it would be a very good thing if the jury could or was given the opportunity to do so too. (G** help me but I was just blown away from her talking endlessly. That, and that she took the stand.)

 

[gitana1]

From the video: Is this a photo of Jodi???? If so, I think she has some definite facial plastic surgery done since this photo on her nose, etc.

That is Annie Le. It's not jodi.

 

[Jeda2]

North Texan here ...

Me too!

 

[Anita Richman]

Ahahahahaha!

My sisters and I used to laugh at my Mom for calling tissues "Kleenex" and ANY soft drink was a "Coke".

Are you insane?! ALL tissues are "Kleenex"! :what:

 

[Isabelle]

Me too! I've been thinking that all along..Unfortunately "Dog Day Afternoon"...But I adore the intensity and passion nonetheless...

The Scent of a Woman. That tango scene!!! Good grief!!! That was hotter than hot! I've found the piano music they danced to and also have a CD of tango music that piece is on.

 

[katiecoolady]

Hey, I went trough a slutty stage. I freely admit it, don't regret it and own it. I'm not pretending to be Mother Theresa ...

Jodi is the kinda girl that gives a bad name! IMO


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Personally I don't care how many people she slept with or what positions or whatever she did.

What does interest me though is how I view her using sexuality as a manipulative tool that leads to this murder. Sociopaths (which I believe she is) immediately size up their targets/ prey in terms of their weakness and immediately begin to exploit it.

From all accounts Travis was a beloved, gregarious, smart, successful, attractive, devoted and evolving man. AND he had an achilles heel in the world of sexuality.

He was no Saint Travis, he had a horrible early childhood with it's certain scars. He was not fully developed as a man yet and trying to negotiate celibacy /Virginity throughout his entire 20's as mandated by his religion. Many men would consider that alone TORTURE. (I would agree)

So, she saw this weakness immediately and started diving in to it, creating, stirring chaos, exploiting his vulnerability, his guilt, his sex drive, his ambivalence from Day One. She also came at him from the angle of religion too, almost immediately. So she was working this shell game from both ends of the coin (how's that for a mixed metaphor?). He was no match for her and from what I have surmised was his own form of "Pollyanna" believing the best in people, motivating them, helping them develop as his job depended on it and his own successes lent him a natural affinity for this art form.

In short, he was the anti - Jodi. Which speaks to, imo, his inability to see just how dangerous she was and his inability to hold the boundaries.

She used that sexuality as deftly as she used that knife, right up to the minute that she used them nearly simultaneously and took his very last breath.

 

[luv]

That is Annie Le. It's not jodi.

Thank you!!

 

[PASA]

Hey guys here's another article written about JM's case -- another Mormon angle. I'm really interested in the general concensus in the LDS community about this one. I've talked extensively about this to the writer of this article (Paul Rubin is my friend) and he lands on thinking Doug Grant was NOT guilty. I think he's guilty as sin. Anyone know of this one? (another poster pm'd me to share about this too...so thanks!).

http://www.phoenixnewtimes.com/2008...ounting-on-a-murder-rap-when-he-followed-his/

Martinez called him a "black angel of death".

I know the Doug Grant case. I think he is guilty too. From what I know about it (not a lot of details) things don't add up for it to be suicide. MOO

Thanks for the link, off to read it now.

 

[katiecoolady]

Are you insane?! ALL tissues are "Kleenex"! :what:

I almost never use the word "tissue" unless I'm saying it with an accent and it sounds more like "tiss-you".

 

[Zeno49]

NURMI: So I would like to ask you another question so that you can- so to speak - answer what it is that you meant at that point where you – sort of – came into contact with that particular individual who at this point in time was entering your lifestyle which I guess we could possibly characterize as – so to speak –carefree and that you at the same time were – for want of a better phrase- desirous to reciprocate something that I suppose one could with a certain amount of effort consider enthusiasm?

ARIAS: Yes. I noticed this particular individual that most people might consider to be someone of the male persuasion who tended to walk in a direction that turned out to be in the proximity of myself. At that point of time I thought to myself that I could actually see myself sauntering into an area that would in my opinion juxtapose myself with this particular individual. This person came to be known by myself as “Bobby”. I remember that at this point in time I managed to come to speech and said “Hi”. And then this person whose name I recall was “Bobby” looked up with intense brown eyes and with a tiny smirk mouthed the perfectly distinct words that resonated with my spirituality such that it was during the period of time and these words were to be best of my recollection were, I think “well hello yourself”. After Bobby uttered this phrase to me I could not help but notice that he might have been experiencing a strong physiological reaction.

NURMI: OK. Let’s back up a little bit. And so what we would like to get to understand based on your answer is the meaning of this term that you used in describing an interaction between yourself and this individual that seems to have accosted you with the words you have described as “well hello” or something to that effect and this phrase “strong physiological reaction”

Arias: Hmmm The effect was in my mind something that resembled an erection of the male genitalia. But since the angle of visualization of that region where male genitalia are frequently situated was not perfectly optimal so as to allow my eye to pinpoint so to speak the precise nature of this increase bulk located in the crotch region of Bobby's deep blue neatly pressed denim pants that had the label “WRANGLER” on its back.