Jodi Arias TAKES THE STAND #37 *may contain graphic and adult content*

[Martin L]

Fergie song - "The love bug jumps right up and bites me, and I'M BACK."

Jodi just loves that part.

You know this ain't the first time This has happened to me, this love sick thing I like serious relationships And a girl like me don't stay single for long
'Cause every time a boyfriend and I break up My world is crushed and I'm all alone The love bug crawls right back up And bites me and I'm back

Read more: FERGIE - CLUMSY LYRICS

 

[StephanieHartPI]

Bullet "may have" passed through part of the front lobe (front lobe is well, not overly needed if we remove the whole thing) I don't think one is fully incapacitated even if a bullet went through the front lobe. If shot in the head, that would not be the worst place to take the bullet, but they are not sure, conclusively that that front lobe was touched by the bullet.

 

[Ammonitida]

If she shot last, she would have to get inside the shower, climb over him and shoot him in the head. He was facing the opposite way by then

We do not know the angle of the head at the time of the shot nor do we know where he was shot. He could have been shot while he was spread out on the bathroom floor.

 

[paperwing]

Video link:
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(I recommend watching the video while reading to get the intonation/inflection). She made such a big deal about this on the witness stand... Sounds like she got upset about it at the time, but she was SO over it long before trial... Wicked sneak. Ugh.

Starts at 11:55

TA: That's dramatic right there.

JA: I know, I thought it was too. I thought it was too. Hes like, I mean, I - he did bring that up though, hes like, "I don't understand, you know, I see you in the bathroom and I'm a ghost to him, like he doesn't even - he looks right through me anymore.. He doesn't even see me or say hi to me. And I said, "and I have no problem with that, if its gotta be that way, then fine." He's like, "I have nothing against him," and that's what he said, "in fact, I hope he gets [inaudible - about Travis getting his ring]." That's what he said

TA: (laughs) [inaudible] intimidated in the bathroom

JA: He said nothing but nice things about you, but that he didn't want to be a part of my dramas. I's like, "Okay".

TA: He's a ghost to me? [inaudible] What I'm I supposed to say? "Hey, you kissed my girlfriend"? [inaudible] Talk about that?

JA: [inaudible] That was before I was your girlfriend! You're so cute!

TA: Nah, Nahh, Nah...

(JA giggles/laughs)

TA: You know was it - what was I supposed to say, y'know what I mean? What was I supposed to say? "Uh, hey, I just got, uh, ripped a new one - some drunk chick frikken fell on me and - and now, ah, you're drunk and you're trying to hook up with my girlfriend five minutes later? You know?

JA: When was that?

TA: Oklahoma! Remember? I was going to go beat him down?

JA: Oh, he said something not so nice - it was a compliment, it was meant to be a compliment to me, but it was an insult to you. And I should have stuck - stuck up for you. I was - I was timid, and I was still [inaudible]. I need to work on that.

TA: Yeah, I was really [inaudible] you - you giving me such crap over Clancy, and then you didn't stand up for me, and you're getting picked up -

JA: [inaudible] he was hangin all over me.

TA: 'Ey, 'ey. Not true. Not true. We don't need go there, [inaudible]. Not even go there.

JA: Let's not go there then (laughs). Well we already said the other night we're never gonna go there again, so let's let it go. Okay, so back to the Team Freedom thing -

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Didn't she testify about the 'drunk chick' (beg pardon) scenario as somehow meaningful to her abuse claim? Sounds like the guy 'hanging all over me' was payback for Travis having a drunk woman fall on him. Again... what a wicked sneak. GMAF*B
*freaking
(Please feel free to edit/correct anything!)

 

[PASA]

O/T

We have a chihuahua (about 3 lbs.) and a bulldog...about 100 lbs. and the chi is most definitely in charge!! LOL It is too funny to watch.

I love my lil rescue Chi-dogs.

 

[Diva]

JA is one of the craziest of the all-time crazies.:crazy: When I watched snippets of her "testimony" -> and felt like I was fighting an anesthetic. And lost .

 

[LambChop]

The question posed above is interesting. Most observers of this case will conclude that JA is a psychopath. But actually little historical characterological information has been forthcoming in the defense testimony or on talk shows. She “successfully” lived with a man for over 4 years!!!! That takes some skill in navigating conflict and negotiating compromises. Nobody to my knowledge has stated that JA was frequently caught in lies – ala Casey Anthony.
Most people simply say that she evoked a certain”creepiness” and that she had a “blank soulless stare”. A lot of former acquaintances say she was very “private” and rarely talked about herself or discussed any of her problems.
She obviously was highly skilled in creating an evocative sexy persona which would be attractive to males and a total “turn off” to females.

BUT to my knowledge she:
*Never broke the law
* never was arrested ie no DUIs no shoplifting etc
* was never fired from her food service jobs (???)
*paid her bills as best she could
*owned a car
*successfully held and used a credit card and a cell phone
*was never “jilted” or shunned by all her prior male suitors.

So it would seem- correct me if I am wrong here!!! – JA never demonstrated past behavior which would be characterized by a forensic psychologist as “psychopathy” or “sociopathy”!!!

We really don't know much about Jodi. Most of those testifying for the State were friends of Travis. Clearly DB was not truthful about Jodi. If there were issues between DB and Jodi it was because of his relationship with his ex and their child, IMI. There didn't seem to be much between the two, DB and Jodi other than the obvious. Sometimes that is all men want. jmo

 

[StephanieHartPI]

But Horn testified that it was likely Alexander was stabbed in the heart first, tried to defend himself, then had his throat slit, killing him. Then, Alexander was shot in the head.

Horn's theory is in conflict with other experts theories.

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If Horn testified Travis was stabbed in the heart first, that was a fatal stab wound, this is why I can't believe he said that. If you stab him in the heart, he goes down, he does not come out and try to fend her off, he dies right there. This is why there is still much confusion between even the experts.

 

[Vresia]

Not sure this is correct. I used to work in a dept that had to testify in court (ala: Jody Citizen), and you'd be surprised how far back records can be pulled for.

Call detail records can go back for years. The content of text messages isn't typically kept very long, if at all.

 

[Ammonitida]

Bullet "may have" passed through part of the front lobe (front lobe is well, not overly needed if we remove the whole thing) I don't think one is fully incapacitated even if a bullet went through the front lobe. If shot in the head, that would not be the worst place to take the bullet, but they are not sure, conclusively that that front lobe was touched by the bullet.

It was not merely the frontal lobe that was affected. The whole brain must have suffered damage from the shock and kinetic energy of the bullet -- disrupting the electrical signals of the brain to a considerable degree and rendering him unconscious.

The ME was 100% sure that the bullet passed through the brain. If was inferred from the hole in the skull. Impossible not to have done so.

 

[Zeno49]

I'm listening to every word of the Detective questioning her on July 16, 2008

There are areas (5:54) where question is asked, she answers and she gives a truthful answer, it's fast clear, concise. And there is no way she is lying (IMO) and it answers some things I wondered about.

Detective: Why would somebody do that? Just because you are there with Travis?

Jodi: They didn't say (she looks away - because she is lying, there was nobody else there)

Detective: What was the first thing they did to him? You were there, you saw it. What was the fir...(5:28)

Jodi: I actually didn't see it, I heard it........first (looking away still, Lie)

Detective: Was there an argument? (5:41)

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OK let's analyze, he is on a line of very calm questioning, she is taking her time to answer and he wants to know why "they" killed Travis. Question to her was what was the first thing they did to him, you were there, you saw it. She corrects him to say she did not see it, she heard it. Now look, he says was there an argument. OBVIOUSLY CLEARLY HE IS ASKING IN HIS LINE OF QUESTION, WAS THERE AN ARGUMENT BETWEEN TRAVIS AND "THE PEOPLE THAT KILLED HIM?"
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Detective: No?

Jodi: No, not between Travis and I

Detective: Any argument between anybody?

Jodi: Is there any way I can see those pictures? I just...

Detective: No, not right now

Jodi: Can I see them soon?

Detective: You need to start letting me know what happened.

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Ok so it pretty much tells me there was NO argument between her and Travis before he was shot/stabbed...no exchange (or fight) She blurts that out too easily and it sounded truthful. So she snap snap snap photo, then SHOOTS

Thanks for posting that transcript.
I have always thought that JA’s story about the ninja warriors was a proxy story for what really happened. That is to say= there are kernels of truth embedded in the ninja story. Realize this discussion was very close to the actual event and JA had not yet had time to hatch a credible story.

The ninja story suggests a shot followed by a jammed gun. Thus JA shot TA first and shot at him again but her gun jammed.
The struggle with the female ninja illuminated her attack on TA. The ninja “cut” JA finger during the scuffle.

The wound to JA left 4th finger was NOT – repeat NOT – the result of a prior fracture. Any finger x-ray will show fully in tact 4th digit phalanges. The finger deformity appears like an unrepaired flexor tendon injury. JA spent a fair amount of time showing the detective this wound. The wound most likely was caused by a slippery bloody knife. As JA forcefully thrust into TA back and hit “bone” JA hand slipped down over the blade shaft.

I would imagine JA cut finger hurt a great deal because it was deep and occurred over sensitive skin. She placed compresses over the bleeding fingers to stanch the bleeding. This is another reason JA took some time in the TA room after the murder both cleaning up as well as treating herself.

 

[tinkabella]

But Horn testified that it was likely Alexander was stabbed in the heart first, tried to defend himself, then had his throat slit, killing him. Then, Alexander was shot in the head.

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If Horn testified Travis was stabbed in the heart first, that was a fatal stab wound, this is why I can't believe he said that. If you stab him in the heart, he goes down, he does not come out and try to fend her off, he dies right there. This is why there is still much confusion between even the experts.

i took it to mean fatal as in would cause death. He didn't say it would INSTANTLY kill him. He said Travis would be injured and still able to move around and defend himself. He said with the shot he would go down..but I don't think we're supposed to talk about this in here.

 

[StephanieHartPI]

And in the photo sequence Travis is alive, then 30 seconds later he is NOT standing, he is down and there is blood running down the neck and shoulders. You don't get blood running down your neck and shoulders from a stab wound to the heart.

I find his theory 200% impossible

 

[karengo]

Thanks for posting that transcript.
I have always thought that JA’s story about the ninja warriors was a proxy story for what really happened. That is to say= there are kernels of truth embedded in the ninja story. Realize this discussion was very close to the actual event and JA had not yet had time to hatch a credible story.

The ninja story suggests a shot followed by a jammed gun. Thus JA shot TA first and shot at him again but her gun jammed.
The struggle with the female ninja illuminated her attack on TA. The ninja “cut” JA finger during the scuffle.

The wound to JA left 4th finger was NOT – repeat NOT – the result of a prior fracture. Any finger x-ray will show fully in tact 4th digit phalanges. The finger deformity appears like an unrepaired flexor tendon injury. JA spent a fair amount of time showing the detective this wound. The wound most likely was caused by a slippery bloody knife. As JA forcefully thrust into TA back and hit “bone” JA hand slipped down over the blade shaft.

I would imagine JA cut finger hurt a great deal because it was deep and occurred over sensitive skin. She placed compresses over the bleeding fingers to stanch the bleeding. This is another reason JA took some time in the TA room after the murder both cleaning up as well as treating herself.

I thought the same thing. Too bad the state is not able to subpoena her to get an xray of that finger.

 

[BritsKate]

The question posed above is interesting. Most observers of this case will conclude that JA is a psychopath. But actually little historical characterological information has been forthcoming in the defense testimony or on talk shows. She “successfully” lived with a man for over 4 years!!!! That takes some skill in navigating conflict and negotiating compromises. Nobody to my knowledge has stated that JA was frequently caught in lies – ala Casey Anthony.
Most people simply say that she evoked a certain”creepiness” and that she had a “blank soulless stare”. A lot of former acquaintances say she was very “private” and rarely talked about herself or discussed any of her problems.
She obviously was highly skilled in creating an evocative sexy persona which would be attractive to males and a total “turn off” to females.

BUT to my knowledge she:
*Never broke the law
Until she staged a robbery at her grandparents home and stole a gun. That we know of.
* never was arrested ie no DUIs no shoplifting etc
That we know of.
* was never fired from her food service jobs (???)
We don't know that.
*paid her bills as best she could
She stopped paying her bills with Darryl but had breast enhancement surgery.
*owned a car
That was repossessed for lack of payment.
*successfully held and used a credit card and a cell phone
This has nothing to do with any mental health diagnosis. There are many financially successful and responsible psychopaths.
*was never “jilted” or shunned by all her prior male suitors.
And the one that did jilt her, shunned her, ended up dead.

So it would seem- correct me if I am wrong here!!! – JA never demonstrated past behavior which would be characterized by a forensic psychologist as “psychopathy” or “sociopathy”!!!

My responses in bold above...and...
Psychopathy is NOT synonymous with antisocial personality disorder though one can be a psychopath WITH antisocial personality disorder (as Dr. Hare points out) or another PD - and even very often a combination of disorders known as comorbidity. As such there are loads of psychopaths who are non-criminal, non-violent, and do concede to societal norms. Some quite successfully so.

From Psychology Today:
Key Symptoms of Psychopathy

Emotional/Interpersonal:

Glib and superficial
Egocentric and grandiose
Lack of remorse or guilt
Lack of empathy
Deceitful and manipulative
Shallow emotions

Social Deviance:

Impulsive
Poor behavior controls
Need for excitement
Lack of responsibility
Early behavior problems
Adult antisocial behavior
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http://www.psychologytoday.com/collections/201104/spotting-the-psychopaths-among-us

But I'm not a mental health professional either so maybe Pensfan can add their insight when they have time.

 

[Stolat]

I routinely have to request cell records are preserved in anticipation of getting a court order and most carriers do not keep the actual texts more than a few days. Some rare carriers keep text content do but most, in my experience, don't. You have to make sure you get them preserved the minute you think they may be important.

http://www.theverge.com/2012/12/3/3722996/police-ask-congress-preserve-sms-logs-two-years
Police call on Congress to require that carriers maintain SMS logs for two years Dec 3, 2012
"Carriers generally store rudimentary data for past messages (the numbers involved, a timestamp of when the conversation occurred, etc.) for several months, but the actual content of those chats can be permanently lost within days. A Justice Department memo publicized last year shows that Verizon stores detailed logs for between three and five days while AT&T, Sprint, and T-Mobile apparently keep no such records at all."

This is interesting to learn and I'll have to report back in a few days on the results but a I just mentioned this to a coworker who told me she hopes this is not the case because her lawyer just subpoena'd AT&T for her ex-hubby's text message content from this past Fall when he was sending death threats and they are now in litigation. I would think the lawyer wouldn't waste his time if this were not possible but I could be wrong. Will be interesting to see what happens

 

[Ammonitida]

But Horn testified that it was likely Alexander was stabbed in the heart first, tried to defend himself, then had his throat slit, killing him. Then, Alexander was shot in the head.

Horn's theory is in conflict with other experts theories.

------

If Horn testified Travis was stabbed in the heart first, that was a fatal stab wound, this is why I can't believe he said that. If you stab him in the heart, he goes down, he does not come out and try to fend her off, he dies right there. This is why there is still much confusion between even the experts.

I went over Horn's testimony very closely today. He was certain the stab to the heart area would not have immediately disabled him. Indeed, it was not the heart itself that was pierced but a tissue sack that surrounds the heart.

 

[princesspjs]

I just posted about this:
Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community - View Single Post - Jodi Arias TAKES THE STAND #37 *may contain graphic and adult content*

So I'm gonna write a little play about a stupid argument between JA and TA {insert your own context}:

TA: Why are u being such a b***h?

JA: How dare you call me a b***h? If my brother Carl, who can bench press 500 lbs, knew that you called me that he would kick your fa**** @$$.

TA: Carl is going to kick my ? Carl is a fa***** name.

JA: Yeah well he was named after my grandfather.

TA: Well then your gf was a fa*****, too.

Fin

OK wait now...is this a made up conversation?

ETA: lil buddy has stated in a later post that for some reason he made this whole thing up...this is not fact...just someone making a joke I suppose.

 

[StephanieHartPI]

Usually they give the M.E. all photos, and his report would be based on Photo's which are time stamped, in addition to what he see's.

However in this case, if he said shot to the head was anything other than first, then his report is in direct conflict to the time stamped photo evidence.

"The trajectory path reveals that the shot comes in above the right eyebrow and goes downward through the face and lodges in the left cheek, no clear evidence it passed through the brain."

 

[SoBeCzar]

at 19:30 when she breaks down a bit, I believe her. She said:

"he was kneeling down in the shower...and I don't really know what happened after that"

Her body language before she says that is believable. I did not know she ever said he was kneeling down before just now.

I always said he either bent over toward the shower head, or bent down, the shot went through the right eye brown in a downward motion exit left cheek.

I say she shot first, he kneels down, she lifts the gun shoots him through the right temple expecting a fatal shot through the temple. He was below her (hence all the blood low in the shower) Because he was kneeling the bullet didn't go straight through his head, it went down at an angle, not a fatal shot, simply due to his kneeling.

I think he surprised her by stumbling to his feet, he got up, he was dazed but then tried to fight back.

Then the frenzy ensued with the knife.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=FoUB2UzWjtI#!

18:20 on...at 19:05 you see her relive the first shot she fired. She feels it

I missed the beginning of this trial. I read that some think the bullet was last because he would not have been able to defend himself if he was shot first. He did have defensive wounds so therefor he was not shot first.