Jodi Arias TAKES THE STAND #37 *may contain graphic and adult content*

[katydid23]

i.m.o. ...

I agree with you. My Dad was a defense attorney. He absolutely LOVED it when the prosecutor found fault with an ME or a detective. He LOVED IT because it opened the door for him to blow holes in their overall theory of the crime.

So I don't think Juan is going to put on a theory that conflicts with the states experts. JMO

 

[minor4th]

~bbm

I may have missed that part, though. I thought the State was gunning for stabbed first b/c of dp considerations, so the ME testified accordingly. Did he reach conclusions about the order of things in his report? That's what I may have missed.

I don't think the ME is tailoring his conclusions to the state's theory of the case. Just the opposite - the ME makes scientific conclusions based on his examination, and the state establishes its theory based on that conclusion.

You think the ME is going to hedge on his testimony because the state wants the death penalty?

 

[Really?]

Right? Who in the world is going to pick up a "So, you think you're a pedophile..." pamphlet from the mall?

lmao...:floorlaugh:

 

[LambChop]

Yep that's what they're saying. I think once all is said and done - this will be the LEAST preposterous claim from JA. Mark my words!
(joking around here folks)

She can say whatever she wants, he's dead. He can't defend himself. It's as if she is trying to kill him all over again, not his body because she can't but his reputation because she can. He kept their relationship a secret so she could say anything she wants, there is no proof. But should she go too far and jury does not believe her she may end up paying the ultimate price. I think she is pretty close to going over that cliff. jmo

 

[Pink Panther]

How about including a link to your researched factoid?

I don't believe that I can given the rules here. Start with wikipedia...They name the guy that started it. Google his name; I'm quite sure he was a mormon.

moo

 

[oceanblueeyes]

jodie is just like dahlia dippolito, she was caught on tape trying to hire a hit man to kill her husband, and flat out denied it never happened. ( i think she got 20 yrs) i just don't see how she can plead self defense. i don't think she has one bit of remorse for travis

I was watching a case on WE channel today and thought about this case. I wish I had remembered the female defendant's name now but anyway she poisoned her first husband and second husband with antifreeze and then poisoned her own daughter and forged a suicide note claiming the daughter had written it saying she had killed the two men. It was in 2007 after Lynn Turner killed her husband and boyfriend with antifreeze.

The reason I thought about this case is that Prosecutor (male) was screaming at this defendant he was so angry with her and her bald face lies.:furious: The jury found her guilty on all charges.

So I think Juan needs to come right out and raise his voice in anger that she is trying to get someone to believe all these lies.

Btw, the jury on the other case really liked the Prosecutor for his passion and quest for justice. They liked the defense attorney too but didnt believe him when he also was trying to blame it on her daughter.

IMO

 

[StephanieHartPI]

~bbm

I may have missed that part, though. I thought the State was gunning for stabbed first b/c of dp considerations, so the ME testified accordingly. Did he reach conclusions about the order of things in his report? That's what I may have missed.

In the Video's the Detective tells her

Detective: Yes he was, he was alive for a while. and I knew that he was shot first and possibly tried to get away and fight back

But that is in his interview of her, I don't know if they held to that, but it was after they finished their crime scene investigation. They also might tell her a variety of things to elicit some responses so I don't know if this was said because he believed it or as a tactic of some kind.

 

[Martin L]

no.....

Nobody said there was anyone with her but here is the link
http://s1352.beta.photobucket.com/user/tabularasa6/media/p7_zps21143c56.jpg.html?sort=3&o=74

 

[minor4th]

She can say whatever she wants, he's dead. He can't defend himself. It's as if she is trying to kill him all over again, not his body because she can't but his reputation because she can. He kept their relationship a secret so she could say anything she wants, there is no proof. But should she go too far and jury does not believe her she may end up paying the ultimate price. I think she is pretty close to going over that cliff. jmo

She's still really, really pissed at him and still wants to hurt him. Aside from being pissed that he rejected her, she's pissed that he "made her" kill him.

IMO IMO IMO IMO

 

[Pink Panther]

With the operative word being "reasonable". Wouldn't she have to retreat from causing him further harm than necessary for her to get away from him? At least that was my understanding, notwithstanding he may have tried to get the knife away from her.

:waitasec:

My understanding is that she would have had to have fought back with equal measure. 27 -29 stab wounds and a gun shot to the head with defensive wounds on him and a bent finger on her - imo does not add up to equal measure.

moo

 

[oceanblueeyes]

I don't think the ME is tailoring his conclusions to the state's theory of the case. Just the opposite - the ME makes scientific conclusions based on his examination, and the state establishes its theory based on that conclusion.

You think the ME is going to hedge on his testimony because the state wants the death penalty?

Exactly. As I said Dr. Horn had never been asked the question of which came first so it was irrelevant to Juan. It was only when the DT asked him in a deposition which one came first that he answered them.

Its already been concluded by the Judge the sequence does not matter. It does not remove the heinousness and cruelty of the acts.

IMO

 

[Linda7NJ]

I read a post on this forum somewhere the other day that the info about 25 caliber gun of Jodi's Grandpa that was stolen, would NOT be admitted into trial. So I assume that means no mention of that particular theft or that particular 25 gun when Juan gets his chance on Cross?

Although the 25 has already been mention on the investigative videos between Jodi and Det. Flores that were played in front of the jury.

Somebody please correct me if I'm wrong! I hope I'm wrong.

It's in.


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[Tracey4AU]

(snipped with respect)

I am not commenting about sequence. I think both have some entirely compelling points.

I think the story she tells Det. Flores in the interrogation vid. might not necessarily match the truth. I think she chooses whatever works for her as an opportunistic lie. I could speculate that she would state that the gun shot happened first because it is alarming; she can claim to not (have to) remember many details about it because it was a big alarming surprise, whereas she benefits from not witnessing "the Ninjas" stabbing Travis first because that would require 100 fold more demand of memory recall (and remembering more details) because the stabbing was drawn out, happened in many places and positions, etc., and so many more details that could easily point to her lying.

:moo: :moo: :moo:

BTW - I have lots of family that went to Auburn… I'm assuming that's what your user name implies. :seeya:

Thanks for your respectful opinion. I guess this is what draws a lot of us here!

And yes... War Eagle!

 

[lil_buddy]

She can say whatever she wants, he's dead. He can't defend himself. It's as if she is trying to kill him all over again, not his body because she can't but his reputation because she can. He kept their relationship a secret so she could say anything she wants, there is no proof. But should she go too far and jury does not believe her she may end up paying the ultimate price. I think she is pretty close to going over that cliff. jmo

Just wanted to say for clarification that what I meant is that the claim that TA was a pedo is preposterous and that he was a pedo into boys AND girls is absurdly preposterous. I think that the claims that are coming, about the murder are going to be over-the-top, mind-blowingly preposterous.
IMO

 

[oceanblueeyes]

In the Video's the Detective tells her

Detective: Yes he was, he was alive for a while. and I knew that he was shot first and possibly tried to get away and fight back

But that is in his interview of her, I don't know if they held to that, but it was after they finished their crime scene investigation. They also might tell her a variety of things to elicit some responses so I don't know if this was said because he believed it or as a tactic of some kind.

Thank goodness Flores is a detective and never went to school to be a ME.

That is why we have knowledgable professional MEs who know so much more than just making assumptions.

IMO

 

[oceanblueeyes]

Has there been any discussion here about how her "blog" seems to mirror his? It's weird. It's like she was stalking his blog too and mirroring his posts. Has this come up in any way in trial or on the boards here?

That is what sociopaths do. They mimic others in order to appear/fake normalcy.

IMO

 

[Really?]

With the operative word being "reasonable". Wouldn't she have to retreat from causing him further harm than necessary for her to get away from him? At least that was my understanding, notwithstanding he may have tried to get the knife away from her.

:waitasec:

BBM

This is what I thought as well.

Come on Lawyers....what would you call this ??

The only thing I can come up with is mitigating the damages. Is this correct ?

 

[StephanieHartPI]

She's still really, really pissed at him and still wants to hurt him. Aside from being pissed that he rejected her, she's pissed that he "made her" kill him.

IMO IMO IMO IMO

Oh i do see that. When she describes how "the lady assailant" was doing this scolding in a stern loud whisper, I picture Jodi pretty mad he won't die, she is following him along as he is pleading for her to go get the neighbor and she is yelling SHHHHH!!! and then another stab, back of the neck, then another, in the back. I can't quite place when he got turned around and she dragged him back to the shower. She sounds astounded that was still "conscious" although much weaker..

Definitely can picture her all pissy.

 

[Karmady]

I don't think the ME is tailoring his conclusions to the state's theory of the case. Just the opposite - the ME makes scientific conclusions based on his examination, and the state establishes its theory based on that conclusion.

You think the ME is going to hedge on his testimony because the state wants the death penalty?

I was wondering whether the ME's report includes information that constrains the State to a stabbed-first theory. If not, I think the State went with it for DP and I think it could hurt them in the case as it stands now - dp is on the table no matter what and premeditation is with a gun.

And, actually, yes. I think if the ME can ethically support the State's case, he will. He was equivocal, and properly so, imo

 

[getReal]

In the Video's the Detective tells her

Detective: Yes he was, he was alive for a while. and I knew that he was shot first and possibly tried to get away and fight back

But that is in his interview of her, I don't know if they held to that, but it was after they finished their crime scene investigation. They also might tell her a variety of things to elicit some responses so I don't know if this was said because he believed it or as a tactic of some kind.

During the interrogation, I think Det. Flores was working from police instinct at the time. I believe the ME's report was submitted some time later.

BTW, I am a firm believer in the "gun came first, knife came second" theory as the only logical sequence which is also supported by the crime scene evidence.