Jodi Arias TAKES THE STAND #37 *may contain graphic and adult content*

[StephanieHartPI]

This sounds reasonable to me, Sobe -- I originally thought she shot him first as well. Now I don't know...

Another item I would like to see on this list is when, in the midst of the three separate actions she took against him, is when TA was over the sink. He is bleeding pretty well by then, but he is still able to make it to the sink, and he was prolly standing or at least bent over the sink while on both feet. This scene would help me to more logically fit the others into the scenario.

Any ideas of when he got to the sink? Before or after which?

Gosh, I go with before using the combination of what I see and hearing her indicate he got "weaker and weaker" about the time she describes him at the thick blood puddle. My guess would be on the return crawl, will her pulling him, he was then too weak to stand and had indicated he can't feel his legs. I picture him stumble to his feet from the shower after a shot to the face/head, pull himself up holding that vanity on the sink and then she stabs him, trying to stop him. I think he goes down and crawls slowly as she stabs him. He had so many stabs to the back, and the back of the ear, and back of the neck (front also) and hands/defensive.

My guess too much blood loss by the time he somehow crawled back

 

[katydid23]

I read the other night that site is run by the same one that had caseyisinnocent.

Nuff said.:banghead:

Something I found pretty funny. You know how sometimes we put up still shots here, of JM doing his thing, to admire. In certain unnamed other sites, they have big still shots of Nurmi, I guess so they can admire him? Nuff said.

 

[oceanblueeyes]

It was ejected when the gun was fired. The casing landed on top of a blood pool. If the gun had been fired before the stabbing occurred, the blood would be all over the casing.

MOO

The jury will be able to understand that. It isnt complex. There was no blood on the top of the casing resting in the pool of blood. It ejected.....landed on the sticky blood and stayed there.

If it had rolled there would be blood specks found on the entire casing but the top was clean as a whistle.

IMO

 

[thefragile7393]

We'll just have to watch ABC live or one of the rest on our puters.

I'm glad Vinnie will have the show, but I think this is a big mistake on the part of TRU-TV. Viewership by folks like us -- and there are LOTS of us -- will drop away and they will not enjoy anything like whatever ratings they have now, IMO. Oh, well, I guess business is business. <smh>

Fooey.

Ok now that is just stupid. TWO hours? Seriously???? What they have now isn't much as it is!

 

[dgfred]

What's frightening... I have worse sexual images on my own computer than Travis had on his!

Granted.... The pictures I have are if Travis and Jodi... But still!

And after all the trials I've followed and things I've looked up... My husband best not die suspiciously! I'll be a goner if they search my computer histories!


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Haha... the first couple of inspectors would probably faint :rocker: .

I'll vouch for you anyway.

 

[Isabelle]

I think if Travis had been shot in the head first, the shock to the brain would have made him unable to process what was happening. He would not have been able to try and defend himself during the stabbing. The shock to the brain would not have involved only the right frontal lobe because the energy would have spread out (like ripples in water caused by a small pebble dropped in a still pond, or the spreading of an earthquake.

 

[getReal]

I noticed Mark Fuhrman said the same thing on FoxNews. Maybe it is due to multiple weapons being used? In other words, uncommon for a perp to start with a knife and switch to a handgun? I believe there was also some speculation the gun may have jammed after the first shot, therefore the knife became the weapon that actually killed Travis.

Personally I cannot see how the bullet casing ended up on top of the blood pool unless the gun was used AFTER Travis had been stabbed and dragged back into the shower.

:waitasec:

MOO

The casing lands beneath the door as TA stumbles out of the shower and coughs blood onto the sink as his head wound causes him to bleed profusely from the nose and mouth. He is deafened by the shot and reeling in confusion as he struggles to breathe while drowning in his own blood.

Suddenly the knife is wielded as he turns to escape to the bedroom, but as he faces Jodi the knife is plunged into his heart. He grabs at it but the knife slices his hand as he gets jabbed again and again into his chest. He cannot believe what is happening as he gets drowsy and nauseous from loss of blood.

As Travis pushes towards the hallway Jodi continues her assault onto his back until he falls at the end of the hallway. Jodi jumps onto him, wanting him to stop moving and die already as her final desperate act is to slice his throat open.

Somewhere in the struggle for his life, the bullet casing gets kicked onto a sticky pool of blood beneath the bathroom door. It could have landed there during the struggle, or during Jodi's desperate and sloppy attempt to clean up most of the crime scene.

 

[DEPUTYDAWG]

What's frightening... I have worse sexual images on my own computer than Travis had on his!

Granted.... The pictures I have are if Travis and Jodi... But still!

And after all the trials I've followed and things I've looked up... My husband best not die suspiciously! I'll be a goner if they search my computer histories!


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LOL, whew...glad it's not just me!

Anyone else have a little hesitation, sometimes, when you want to go google something and you just KNOW that if something were to happen, it sooo would look weird if anyone checked your computer history? I sure do!

 

[minor4th]

Its a semi-automatic. It ejects when fired. I use to have a .25 caliber.

IMO

Unless it jams ....

IMO

 

[dgfred]

Gosh, I go with before using the combination of what I see and hearing her indicate he got "weaker and weaker" about the time she describes him at the thick blood puddle. My guess would be on the return crawl, will her pulling him, he was then too weak to stand and had indicated he can't feel his legs. I picture him stumble to his feet from the shower after a shot to the face/head, pull himself up holding that vanity on the sink and then she stabs him, trying to stop him. I think he goes down and crawls slowly as she stabs him. He had so many stabs to the back, and the back of the ear, and back of the neck (front also) and hands/defensive.

My guess too much blood loss by the time he somehow crawled back

Hey Steph... bring it over to the other thread and fuss with us :great: .

 

[DEPUTYDAWG]

Something I found pretty funny. You know how sometimes we put up still shots here, of JM doing his thing, to admire. In certain unnamed other sites, they have big still shots of Nurmi, I guess so they can admire him? Nuff said.

Is it mollyf or a similar name here, that has Nurmi picking his nose as her avatar? It startles me every time I see it :floorlaugh:

I suggest they post a big still shot of that one!

 

[minor4th]

The jury will be able to understand that. It isnt complex. There was no blood on the top of the casing resting in the pool of blood. It ejected.....landed on the sticky blood and stayed there.

If it had rolled there would be blood specks found on the entire casing but the top was clean as a whistle.

IMO

Irrespective of what I think happened, I do think the jury is going to go with the ME's conclusion because that is the only evidence they have. And they have not spent months discussing this issue with a bunch of other non-involved sleuthers. :lol: There's really no reason for them to question the ME, and in the end, even if they do they have plenty of evidence of the aggravating circumstance of cruelty - so I doubt they'll spend a whole lot of time deliberating about this issue.

 

[Linda7NJ]

Gosh, I go with before using the combination of what I see and hearing her indicate he got "weaker and weaker" about the time she describes him at the thick blood puddle. My guess would be on the return crawl, will her pulling him, he was then too weak to stand and had indicated he can't feel his legs. I picture him stumble to his feet from the shower after a shot to the face/head, pull himself up holding that vanity on the sink and then she stabs him, trying to stop him. I think he goes down and crawls slowly as she stabs him. He had so many stabs to the back, and the back of the ear, and back of the neck (front also) and hands/defensive.

My guess too much blood loss by the time he somehow crawled back

Crawled back???? Huh?


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[Zuri]

I don't think that any professional out there can testify to what injury caused the blood down his back. The only person who knows for sure is Jodi because she washed Travis off before she left. Any testimony as to where that exact bit of blood came from is speculation no matter how many degrees one has earned.

It's all just speculation at this point where all that is left is a badly lit photograph.

Actually I am a professional and I would testify that the majority of the blood in that photo came from a severed carotid artery. IMPO

 

[minor4th]

I thought it was less explicit and more backhandedly implied, but I'll admit to not being able to pay close attention to all her testimony.

It was pretty explicit once Nurmi dragged it out of her with a very leading question. I'll see if I can find that in her testimony.

 

[oceanblueeyes]

Well, I don't think Horn is going to change his testimony, and I don't think he was equivocal at all. He said he was sure the bullet would have gone through the brain.

I think the state would have had a little easier time of it if Horn had concluded that the gunshot was first -- and that's a pretty good indication that he did not tailor his testimony or the benefit of the state. If the state could theorize that the gunshot came first, then it's really easy to see that Jodi went above and beyond what would have been necessary to defend herself, even if a jury could somehow imagine that such defense was initially necessary.

However, the state is going with what the only evidence is, and that is the scientific testimony from Horn. And as many have said before me - it doesn't matter because it's clear that there was some time that Jodi was continually stabbing Travis and that he was trying to defend himself.

You are right again. Horn never changed his opinion.......not once. The DT asked him for the first time and he answered their question. Simple.

Juan couldnt really care less which one came first. He knew it is irrelevant to the death penalty anyway. It was Nurmi who tried to make an issue out of it to the Judge who concluded the sequence is irrelevant and it still meets the criteria for the DP. They were wanting Horn to agree with Flores who is a cop and not a ME, LOL! but Horn didnt care what Flores had assumed. He went by the actual autopsy he did on TA.

What he says also matches up with the ejected bullet casing when it landed in already pooled blood and was clean as a whistle on the top that did not land in the already shed blood.

IMO

 

[fabvab]

Ok now that is just stupid. TWO hours? Seriously???? What they have now isn't much as it is!

:waitasec: 2 hours = 1 question for Nurmi (or so it seems)

 

[StephanieHartPI]

Hey Steph... bring it over to the other thread and fuss with us :great: .

LOL i just saw that.. I didn't realize there are multiple threads for Jodi. I will come see what is up. You never know when this spirited round of ideas could produce a bombshell. I love to read a post that really gives me a light bulb moment.

 

[Linda7NJ]

It was pretty explicit once Nurmi dragged it out of her with a very leading question. I'll see if I can find that in her testimo.

Just a funny.... All the way up until the trial actually started I thought her lawyers name was Nummi!

I really do need an eye exam and some glasses!


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[BritsKate]

It was pretty explicit once Nurmi dragged it out of her with a very leading question. I'll see if I can find that in her testimony.

IIRC Nurmi had to pin her down on why she stayed in a relationship with a pedophile. If that helps.

I know she gave some long, rambling answer but the gist was self-sacrifice. Bless your heart for listening to any of the testimony again. Unless I want stand trial myself, I know I must tune out as much Jodi as possible. :biggrin: