Jodi Arias TAKES THE STAND #38 *may contain graphic and adult content*

[Karmady]

Do you think the murder was premeditated? If so then not so much...

Yes, I think it was premeditated and I think the State can prove she brought the gun, but not the knife -- regardless of whether she brought both. I wasn't speaking to whether she actually brought a knife. I was speaking more to what the State has a better chance of proving. Imo, what they can best prove is premeditation with a gun and things not going as planned, so resort to the knife. Which is the same reason I question the State's insistence that the stab came first. Apparently, they thought they needed that order for the dp qualification, but turned out they didn't. Now they're stuck with a stabbed first case where the strongest evidence of premeditation is with a gun, not a knife. jmo

 

[seguek9]

Of course Jodi will say Travis was shot first. That makes the killing appear more humane.

Some defense lawyer on tv said that the death penalty is reserved for the worst of the worst murders and therefore, is not appropriate in this case. What? This is one of the most horrific painful murders we've seen in our lives.What is wrong with some of these lawyers????

Also, the portrayal of Jodi Arias as shy and innocent is in direct contradiction to the horrific crime. Even the most courageous of people would not be able to stab another person almost 30 times! Most would stab once or twice (assuming there is no gun and it's in self-defense) and go screaming and running out of the house! I hope the jurors have realized from the start itself that this is all a great big act.

I am 12+ pages behind...and I'm sure this has been said....but gun shot and stab wounds aside- his throat was slashed FGS. There are hardened, violent criminals out there who don't have the stomach for such a viscous act...that in itself is NOT a self defense wound. Period.

Moo....

:hug:


(....and continuing to read.....)

 

[minor4th]

Are you as surprised as me that that e-mail cannot be traced?

Doesn't it seem like there would be SOME way to trace it? I mean, couldn't they subpoena Google to get the email owner's information and location/IP address?

Well, they probably could but it's actually not so relevant to the murder itself, and they may have had difficulty getting a subpoena.

 

[katiecoolady]

That or a switchblade. Whatever kind it was it was sturdy as heck to take chunks out of Travis' skull and the tip didnt break.

IMO

I think she carefully selected the knife she would use in an almost ritualistic fashion. I think this was very very premeditated...and all around what would be most satisfying to her.

 

[TexMex]

I dont think it is rage.........it is vengence for daring to rebuke her.

She fits the profile of a sociopath to a tee and she also fits the profile of an obsessive female stalker.

IMO

:seeya: blueeyes

Vengeance is a great description. Violent revenge for all of the grievances she had against Travis. Retaliation.

 

[snowshuze]

Yes, you are correct snowshuze and they did ask that question. All knife had been accounted for.

:seeya:

Aha. TY.

I'm thinking nothing found in the house measured up to the knife used.

 

[Martin L]

There was a mark or chip in the skull from a knife. But I don't think there was a fragment - surely they would have removed and analyzed it if there had been (??).

I don't know whether the roommates would notice or not. Depends on how much they used the kitchen or Travis's things and how long they'd lived there and whether the knife was actually a kitchen knife and whether the knives in the dishwasher were ruled out (since they weren't missing). Frankly, I couldn't tell you for sure whether there was a knife missing from my own kitchen unless it's a particular one that I use all the time or is unique in some way. And I don't even have roommates, so all the knives are mine. Plus, he may have had a non-kitchen knife somewhere unbeknownst to anyone, including the roommates

Just far, far too speculative to me to say that she definitely brought a knife with her. jmo

Or a knife travis had for when they went hiking

 

[panthera]

I believe all of this information they collected when she was arrested will come out during the sentencing phase. It is going to be interesting if the knives they found could have had a 6 in blade. At least we know she is into knives and buying a gun also shows she knows how to shoot a gun too.

I don't recall any information regarding the knives found in her car, other than the illustration that was on NG's show which appeared to be steak knives.

:waitasec:

 

[oceanblueeyes]

I think she carefully selected the knife she would use in an almost ritualistic fashion. I think this was very very premeditated...and all around what would be most satisfying to her.

I think so too. Once the plan began to form the last of May she thought of nothing else, imo.

imo

 

[Frigga]

Does anyone know where I can find a copy of the letter or post by one of Travis close friends where he speaks about Jodi, church doctrine, and how he thinks Jodi had sex with him and murdered him quickly so he could not get right with God or repent?

I want to cross reference the letter with Jodi's testimony of talking to Rachel and telling her that they were having oral sex and what should she do. Rachel then says she must tell the bishop and to buckle her seatbelt so she doesn't die on her way to the bishop to repent. Does anyone remember which day that testimony was too?

TIA

 

[seguek9]

S

Ha! I happened to miss JA's explanation of the Pop Rocks.

Before I go back and watch the video, I keep wondering if what they did is more - or less - devious than what my mind has come up with. hehehe

It's the little things that amuse me...

I have BTDT...it is exactly what you are thinking. It also was a fairly popular activity when I was in college (late 80s/early 90's)....not as deviant or as odd as it seems...:blushing:

Imo
:blushing:

 

[Karmady]

Or a knife travis had for when they went hiking

Could be. I actually dated a guy once who was a former scout and carried a knife when we went hiking, unbeknownst to me. We were on a particular arduous trail in Hawaii once and he whipped out the knife and made us both walking sticks from bamboo lol. I thought it was totally geeky in a very respectful way. I'm SO not the boyscout type. I was like, wow, dude really is "prepared." :floorlaugh:

 

[katydid23]

Yes, I think it was premeditated and I think the State can prove she brought the gun, but not the knife -- regardless of whether she brought both. I wasn't speaking to whether she actually brought a knife. I was speaking more to what the State has a better chance of proving. Imo, what they can best prove is premeditation with a gun and things not going as planned, so resort to the knife. Which is the same reason I question the State's insistence that the stab came first. Apparently, they thought they needed that order for the dp qualification, but turned out they didn't. Now they're stuck with a stabbed first case where the strongest evidence of premeditation is with a gun, not a knife. jmo

BBM

In the end, I am not sure it will matter that much to the jury which one she did first. Either way, it was way overboard. It was overkill, no matter which order it happened. And no matter if she shot first or not, she had the gun with her, at hand in the bathroom. And she drove 1000 miles to 'surprise' him. Me thinks her goose is cooked. :jail:

 

[Truth Detector]

Did they state the date of this email? I didn't catch it if they did.

Anyone?

TIA! :seeya:

"This is an email I composed to Abe on February 18, 2007." ~ Jodi Arias testifying on February 13, 2013.

http://www.youtube.com/embed/jiRNbg1myB8?feature=player_detailpage

 

[oceanblueeyes]

I don't recall any information regarding the knives found in her car, other than the illustration that was on NG's show which appeared to be steak knives.

:waitasec:

Yes, it has not been revealed what knives where found among the books she was planning to take with her. I hope we get to see all the evidence found in the SW and in the rental vehicle but we will probably have to wait until the sentencing phase. Then all that they know she has done wrong throughout her life will come out in the state's case.

IMO

 

[FrayedKnot]

:seeya: blueeyes

Vengeance is a great description. Violent revenge for all of the grievances she had against Travis. Retaliation.

But wouldn't violent revenge denote anger or rage?

Emotionless "payback" would have been one bullet.

MOO, but she was a powder keg and she blew up all over TA.

 

[oceanblueeyes]

:seeya: blueeyes

Vengeance is a great description. Violent revenge for all of the grievances she had against Travis. Retaliation.

:seeya:

A lot of sociopaths do overkills. It doesnt affect them..they are emotionless and on a mission......they just do what they think their victim deserved for daring to want to be rid of them.

IMO

 

[oceanblueeyes]

But wouldn't violent revenge denote anger or rage?

Emotionless "payback" would have been one bullet.

MOO, but she was a powder keg and she blew up all over TA.

Not to me. Many serial killers are sociopaths. They do heinous things to victims and dont even have any emotions toward the victim.

She wanted to do this overkill to make a statement of what happens when a sociopath is rebuked. I dont think she was emotional at all. That is why she could do something this heinous and in a few hours be dry humping another guy. It meant nothing to her and she immediately moved on.

IMO

 

[Truth Detector]

Are you as surprised as me that that e-mail cannot be traced?

That depends on what still exists -- or existed at the time of its discovery.

The original email header would hold the key.

I'd love to have a crack at it.

Not my jurisdiction, but JA was not nearly as knowledgeable or careful as she thought.

To wit: cguru:

 

[Karmady]

BBM

In the end, I am not sure it will matter that much to the jury which one she did first. Either way, it was way overboard. It was overkill, no matter which order it happened. And no matter if she shot first or not, she had the gun with her, at hand in the bathroom. And she drove 1000 miles to 'surprise' him. Me thinks her goose is cooked. :jail:

Probably. But wrt to premeditation, the defense would have a much weaker argument if she used the gun she brought with her for the purpose of killing him. The State is arguing that she used the knife first. Which begs the question of why she didn't use the gun she brought for that purpose. The answer has to be (from a defense perspective) that something happened in the middle to make her go for a knife rather than a gun -- i.e., she was attacked and it was more handy than the gun. Which creates a space between premeditation and something else. Not saying it'll be successful. I think she'll get at least a second degree charge (if the lesser included is even available). But I think the gun first theory would be much better, cleaner and easier for the State. Clear premeditation followed by either rage or panic or both. jmo