Jodi Arias TAKES THE STAND #38 *may contain graphic and adult content*

[SkiptomyLu]

And not to be too indelicate, but the consistency of the brain at that point in time from 5+ days of room temperature decomposition was almost certainly yogurt/ pudding- like. It would not have been possible to identify a bullet tract, but if there was significant intracranial bleeding (indicating a living person with a beating heart, substantial circulating blood volume, AND intact major vessels to the brain), that evidence would have been obvious. We have to remember that the major vessels to his brain were severed.

I think it is highly likely Travis was already dead when he was shot.

The ME's scenario is the only one that makes sense to me, physiologically. He could live a while with the stab wounds, and function a bit, but once the neck cut was made, he would have lost consciousness in seconds. Same with the GSW to the head. This was not a glancing blow to the scalp-- it was a full on intracranial shot.

You just aren't doing a lot of walking around or defending yourself seconds after you have sustained an intracranial GSW, of ANY caliber.

BBM

I just totally agree!

 

[Zuri]

Actually on research, I have learned that getting shived is essentially the same thing, but without metal. Somehow this escaped my knowledge and I :bowdown: to Zuri's knowledge....

I think I must have heard shived watching Downton Abbey!:takeabow:

 

[borndem]

BBM

:floorlaugh: My son, who is 7, was so worried something was wrong when I cried watching Rise of the Guardians. Lol I rarely cry in real life, but movies get to me really easy. :waitasec:

Thanks for that, KBisMe -- Glad to hear I'm not the only one who is this way! I used to cry weekly when I watched the Walnuts, er, um, The Waltons. But I'm older now and it takes just a bit more, but I love a good movie cry.

 

[Sleuth13]

Jury knows nothing about tire slashing, nothing about second gun and knives when arrested. And while stalking has been alluded to.... Nothing definitive yet. I do believe Jodi opened that door with her comments on the stand last week about the psycho things she did according to Travis. Now Juan can ask her to elaborate on those .....then in rebuttal impeach whatever bull crap she says with actual witnesses and emails Travis sent her.


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Cross...rebuttal...I.CAN'T.WAIT!!!!!! Bring on the Juan and only ♥

 

[LadyEdith]

Haaaa!!!! I'm glad somebody else is privy to the "word salad" My era. However the folks I provide services to "word salad" is at the far end of the spectrum LOL So people will know when i refer to word salad and filler. Jodi provides much filler. Too much LOL And i have come to learn "salad has many more meanings" LOL

He he he. Yes, candy, tossed salad, cream pie. I thought he was ordering dinner.

 

[Xavier]

Ryan Burns and others who met up with Arias in Utah, after the killing, indicated she had bandages on her hands and that she wore long sleeves on days it was very hot.

She told different stories about how she received the cuts to her hands. Burns was told they were from an injury while working at Margaritaville. At trial, it was revealed by Siskiyou County, California, authorities that no such restaurant exists, nor ever existed in the area. At the time of the killing, she worked at Casa Ramos in Yreka. When she arrived in Utah on June 5, 2008, Arias had dyed her hair blonde.


[ame]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_of_Travis_Alexander[/ame]

 

[clarabloomer]

I'll make an excuse for my speculations before I begin by saying that I'm new to posting but very happy to find such interesting and respectful discussions here -- thank you for existing!!

In thread 37 Quester asked if it might be the case that JA intended TA's murder to look like a suicide. This had never crossed my mind and it strikes me as a brilliant theory! The violence of the murder is horrendous but somehow doesn't seem to fit with her "personality" unless we allow for a rage response, which is entirely possible. But everything she does, even the madness of taking the stand and never shutting up!, seems to come from her need to control her image. She is happiest when she can present TA as wildly jealous of all the attention she gets from men. And when she can characterize another woman as jealous of her. She loves her picture of herself and TA only as he enhances that picture, not just between them but in the world.
If TA had died by one bullet to the right temple, and if there had been a note (her abilities as a forger seem quite good) offering up his obsessional love for a woman he should not love and the unbearable dilemma of that, she would have created quite a figure of romance for herself. Just punishing TA for not loving her would never be enough.

 

[LadyEdith]

I'll make an excuse for my speculations before I begin by saying that I'm new to posting but very happy to find such interesting and respectful discussions here -- thank you for existing!!

In thread 37 Quester asked if it might be the case that JA intended TA's murder to look like a suicide. This had never crossed my mind and it strikes me as a brilliant theory! The violence of the murder is horrendous but somehow doesn't seem to fit with her "personality" unless we allow for a rage response, which is entirely possible. But everything she does, even the madness of taking the stand and never shutting up!, seems to come from her need to control her image. She is happiest when she can present TA as wildly jealous of all the attention she gets from men. And when she can characterize another woman as jealous of her. She loves her picture of herself and TA only as he enhances that picture, not just between them but in the world.
If TA had died by one bullet to the right temple, and if there had been a note (her abilities as a forger seem quite good) offering up his obsessional love for a woman he should not love and the unbearable dilemma of that, she would have created quite a figure of romance for herself. Just punishing TA for not loving her would never be enough.

Great post! Very analytical. My favorite kind.


Welcome!

 

[Serenity Now]

As far as JA's assertion that she would wear gloves had she wanted to commit the crime (and if you listen closely she also says she has a "whole box" in the interview with Det Flores), who's to say that when her left finger was cut whilst she was stabbing TA, it didn't then cause the latex to rip away, thus making the palm print absolutely unavoidable in her frenzy?

This is all speculation, of course, and only my opinion.

 

[FrayedKnot]

The was shanked by a shiv? Not as flowing as Peter Piper though.

"You do the shimmy shivvy shank" :rocker:

 

[Sleuth13]

Jodi may have fantasized about how the murder would go down, but it clearly did not happen the way she thought it would. Her plan only took into account a singular linear vision and it failed on so many levels. Had she stopped to think "who will the police suspect based on who was in TA's life?" she would have realized she would be high on the list and not even go there to murder him. Of course that implies some self awareness and as we can see she has very little, if any.

Clearly the self-defense "reason" didn't seem at all like an option to her at that time...dumb dumb should have called the cops that night as opposed to hauling butt to a neighboring state to grind on another dude (IMO)

 

[pollybear]

I won't post anything again that contradicts the ME, even if it was just an opinion. To say that there is a rule everyone must agree with every Expert Witness or anyone that was at the crime scene. well, ok.

That's not how crimes are solved, that is not how anyone gets at the truth.

Again, I won't say another word about the ME.

This is my first post here on WS, the absolutely best site to ponder the crimes that fascinate us~ I've been watching you guys for years, and am amazed how many details you sleuthers uncover!

StephanieHartPI - you rock. ITA, fab. connections you have drawn between the interrogation vid. and the evidence. She is obviously not THAT smart, or she would be better at keeping her stories straight. Blowing out the engine on a Beemer shows she has zero common sense. Who does that?!

I think with her pathology, she must draw from movies, news, other people's stories, and weave them around a small percentage of truth. If there was no truth at all, she couldn't keep anything straight! It's almost like the modicum of truth serves as her rudder. Endlessly fascinating...

moo

 

[Sleuth13]

I'm confused?

Then why did Travis put his name on a T shirt he gave Ariass if they were'nt in a relationship?

Word was he gave her the T Shirt to show her off as his prized trophy girl

Anyone have any thoughts?

My thought: she made the shirt herself (same goes for the lame boy shorts).

 

[Xavier]

here is a link to the full content of her email

Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community - View Single Post - *graphic and adult content* Jodi Arias Trial media/ timeline thread **no discussion**

Thanks Moon Bird, Arias email is rambling and long

She obviously was really disappointed that Travis credited other women in his book, but ommited Arias

I'm not defending Arias's murder and I'm not saying he was a bad apple, but Travis had some major issues too

I think despite calling Arias a "ho" and "" and also not crediting her in his book, which was a big deal, and then still leading Arias on for just the sex, was wrong and one thing about women, they remember everything that makes them mad as hell

And Travis still had sex with Arias after he believed she slashed his tires

These two should've just walked away from each other...Damn this is one sad, miserable story

 

[Kensie]

Thanks Moon Bird, Arias email is rambling and long

She obviously was really disappointed that Travis credited other women in his book, but ommited Arias

I'm not defending Arias's murder and I'm not saying he was a bad apple, but Travis had some major issues too

I think despite calling Arias a "ho" and "" and also not crediting her in his book, which was a big deal, and then still leading Arias on for just the sex, was wrong and one thing about women, they remember everything that makes them mad as hell

And Travis still had sex with Arias after he believed she slashed his tires

These two should've just walked away from each other...Damn this is one sad, miserable story

Too bad they did not walk away from each other. Very very sad.

 

[Morning Glory]

here is a link to the full content of her email

Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community - View Single Post - *graphic and adult content* Jodi Arias Trial media/ timeline thread **no discussion**

:tyou: And after re-reading... **SIGH**

Lets assume that Jodi's account of her selfless work on this project, solicited by Travis, is accurate. I can understand how she would feel this way, it would suck to be frank. However, even in her own statements she knew Travis felt this way (not being public about his associations with her for his own reasons and friends pressure) for a while. It doesn't make it right, but I don't know what she expected. She was confounded at her inability to change him up until the very end.

The rest of the email is a novel of passive aggression and self martyring. Plenty of women have felt unappreciated or used in their lives by their partners, lovers, friends or mixes thereof and I just don't see any healthy demonstration of normal anger or disappointment. And no, that does mean that she would have to demonstrate swearing or a huff, it's just that I see very little humanity. I don't believe Jodi is entirely cold and unfeeling, it's just that we're never privy to her real feelings because she is always calculating. I don't see how Jodi feels here as much as I see how she wants to be seen. She frames everything in a light of her selfless sacrifice and unwavering adoration for TA in spite of himself.

MOO, :moo:

 

[clarabloomer]

Am I losing my Saturday night mind? Burns stated he met her in April, 2008 at the OKC conference , and she was blonde.

Didn't she testify that she went brunette in March? Now, maybe it's omission that she's just neglected to state that she often swaps back and forth.

(That is if I remember her testimony correctly...does anyone else remember her testifying that she went brunette in March, and was inferring that she didn't go back to blonde after that?)

yes! She told someone not to EDIFY her as a blonde to RB and went on (perhaps another day....) about how she would have fried her hair had she tried to become blonde again.

 

[thefragile7393]

Thanks Moon Bird, Arias email is rambling and long

She obviously was really disappointed that Travis credited other women in his book, but ommited Arias

I'm not defending Arias's murder and I'm not saying he was a bad apple, but Travis had some major issues too

I think despite calling Arias a "ho" and "" and also not crediting her in his book, which was a big deal, and then still leading Arias on for just the sex, was wrong and one thing about women, they remember everything that makes them mad as hell

And Travis still had sex with Arias after he believed she slashed his tires

These two should've just walked away from each other...Damn this is one sad, miserable story

and the proof he called her anything is.....from her? she's not credible as a witness. however...he did try to walk away. He ended up dead. dealing with a psycho/sociopath isn't like dealing with your average person. They can make it pretty difficult for someone not used to dealing with them.

Leading her on? Hardly. It didn't get too far past the early stages and it turned into mostly no-strings. She knew. She was game for it...she could have left at any time. They used each other for that. A normal woman would have have left when it wasn't working for her anymore...same as a normal man would. And from the evidence shown so far it sure looks like he tried but he was in wayyyyyy over his head with her and now hindsight is 20/20
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[Sleuth13]

Worth while funny - For a glimpse into Jodi's fantasy that involves a bride, sex, and candy - look up a short 30 seconds commercial

Banned Skittles Commercial on Youtube.

BAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHHAHAHAHHA!!!!!!!!!!!!

And btw, I always thought it was annoying when Paris Hilton used to say, "that's hot"...now that I've heard JA say it 1,000 x's it's my least favorite phrase ever!!

 

[LadyEdith]

Emmmm, can I get me one a them fancy rings?

And some perky gals?

Yes and yes. But you gotta get to Executive Director level. I'm not just a PPBJ employee, I'm a client!