Jodi Arias TAKES THE STAND #38 *may contain graphic and adult content*

[karengo]

First off I'm a moron I posted this in legal questions :waitasec:

I just went back and listened to the 2nd interrogation. I've always thought there were large bits of truth mixed in with the ninja story. I came away with a couple things.

Detective Flores was probably the only person on the planet that is not surprised she has been on the stand so long. And he has the patience of a saint.

I think her making the girl ninja the aggressive one is telling but i'm not smart enough to know how exactly.

And this last one might get me in trouble but when she said the girl ninja wanted to kill her I was thinking, yes please!! Can you do it now?

And she watches way too much tv.

 

[karengo]

Yes, exactly. It would only be relevant if Travis had shared those fantasies and Jodi had said "OMG, I hate that. Stop it!" He didn't force her to do anything. The truth is she loved it.

Travis is not on trial for being a less-than-perfect Mormon. If we start judging others (religious folk) based on whether they have lustful desires or not then most people in the world would not be spared, not even Gandhi. I think it's in bad taste to start calling him 'slimy' 'creepy' etc. when he is the victim of a horrific murder. Again, Jodi Arias is on trial. Travis is not. Regardless of whether you believe in Jodi's guilt or not the least you can do is to not tarnish the character of this poor butchered boy needlessly and without evidence.

I agree! I am possibly the worst Catholic ever. I gave up chocolate, thing is I hate chocolate :floorlaugh:

 

[paperwing]

Excellent post.

I do think they've got at least some of these jurors (if not most) to a point of crying UNCLE. I think they will be so relieved once she actually starts talking about something of relevance (June 4, 2008) and then Juan will be even more relief.

I've said it since Day One--this case will be tried in the cross examination AND the rebuttal case. We haven't even gotten started yet in terms of what this jury will use to convict her. imo.

Thanks, katiecoolady... you *have* said that all along and things are basically unfolding as you described. And you're right - it's been so long since the State's CIC that the jury (at this point) may be somewhat removed from the horrific realities of why they're really showing up in that courtroom every day - I hope not, but the passage of time time can have a blurring, numbing effect on the images and testimony of such stark, savage actions... I agree - when the jury learns what they can and cannot consider and how things are defined, it's going to hit home. I'm still so furious at the DT's insulting disregard for their civic sacrifice - while presenting them with days of nothing.

We have a cure for all that - and his name is Juan Martinez! He may not be very large physically but (imv) he's a laser-focused army of one who fights to uphold the law and (from what I've seen and heard of him) provide some sense of justice for a stricken family and a life cut so brutally, selfishly short. I think he may be obsessively diligent about being prepared and getting things right.

His record isn't based on luck or accident - that's a result of dedication, hard work and and the ability to recalibrate if/when things shift and still end up the victor. And he is not flipping every defense witnesses through his boundless charm.

Yep, cross and rebuttal are going to define this case - you knew.

I think part of his latest voire dire was a little bit of, "This self-serving, easy-peasy, non-stop, largely irrelevant, inadmissible game your playing will end, and you will be answering to me. I see a glimmer of fear (for once) - a microsecond of fear, and that's just what I wanted. My questions weren't historic, but I sent you a message: You cannot fool me. You cannot obfuscate. You can try, but you'll fail. I don't let so much as an email header slide - think about that while you continue to delay... think about the fact that this is a matter of YOUR life or death, now - not Mr. Nurmi's version of middle-school pout-insult-and-gossip fests... No, eventually you'll spout your final little-girl flirty insult... And then you'll have me as your adversary. It'll be a little different..

"I will treat you like someone in her mid-30's who chose then carried out a very stealthy, intricate plan to viciously, cruelly, take the life of another human being. You are not a little girl, you are not frail. You are a soulless, violent, murderous adult and I will treat you accordingly.

"Lose a little sleep over that. It's completely warranted. See you in court."

Oh, geez - I got a little carried away with this one... I'm so sorry! My brain speeds up when I'm anxious. I'll try to behave.

 

[karengo]

paperwing you have summed up my thoughts about this as well. I've noticed she gives Juan a death glare then says she is sorry. And the looks she was throwing his way while he was doing cross on Darryl were scary.

 

[Linda From New York]

Good Morning!

Can someone help me with this:

The first story is she didn't kill him and wasn't there.

The second is the Ninja story.

The third story is self defense. Didn't she come up with the self defense story in 2010?

I just read an article that says the self defense story came up in 2008 after she was arrested. And that is not the first time I read an article stating it was 2008.

I think I am right when I say it was 2010.

 

[karengo]

Good Morning!

Can someone help me with this:

The first story is she didn't kill him and wasn't there.

The second is the Ninja story.

The third story is self defense. Didn't she come up with the self defense story in 2010?

I just read an article that says the self defense story came up in 2008 after she was arrested. And that is not the first time I read an article stating it was 2008.

I think I am right when I say it was 2010.

I thought self defense came in 2010. I think someone said that's when one of her attorneys had an incamera meeting with the judge and asked to be removed and it was granted :twocents:

 

[paperwing]

First off I'm a moron I posted this in legal questions :waitasec:

I just went back and listened to the 2nd interrogation. I've always thought there were large bits of truth mixed in with the ninja story. I came away with a couple things.

Detective Flores was probably the only person on the planet that is not surprised she has been on the stand so long. And he has the patience of a saint.

I think her making the girl ninja the aggressive one is telling but i'm not smart enough to know how exactly.

And this last one might get me in trouble but when she said the girl ninja wanted to kill her I was thinking, yes please!! Can you do it now?

And she watches way too much tv.

Brilliant. I agree with you about Flores - his strategy (and patience) - the exact tone and pace needed to let her continue to dig that hole...

If I recall correctly, she first said the girl ninja came in first and had the gun, (shooting Travis), then not 2 minutes later said the girl ninja had a knife.

Flores pounced. Quietly and calmly. "But you said she had the gun," he said (I'm paraphrasing). And she was clearly knocked off balance for a moment and countered with, "Oh!... She had a knife. She had both." Or some such lame*** lie - the quality of lie that little kids make when, with chocolate crumbs all over their hands, mouth, nose and eyebrows, look up wide-eyed and say, I didn't eat any cookie! (Insert sibling/dog/cat/toy robot's name) ate it! I saw! Then they can't resist and start licking their fingers. Oops.

But there's nothing cute about JA. Her packaging is a biological, physiological, electrical, chemical, living container that apparently has shape and proportions that a significant number of humans find attractive. She was born with the accident of symmetry. From the moment she realized it she began figured out how to use it, then relied upon when it was the only thing she had. I think her looks may have made her intolerant of rejection, being ignored, or the center of male attention and it boiled over to the point of becoming deadly. At least I think that's part of it.

P.S. Anyone who can make me laugh at 5:00 in the morning is most definitely NOT a moron! . Even if you hadn't, you're not a moron. So there.

 

[minusfour]

http://travisalexander.blogspot.com/2008/05/introduction-to-raising-you.html

This is the introduction to the book Travis was writing and gives you an idea of what his childhood was like. It brought me to tears. I highly recommend reading it to anyone who hasn't already!

Thank you so much!

(What a pity about some of the comments there)

 

[karengo]

I was totally off about when Victoria Washington was removed. It was sometime in 2012.
snippet from hln article: Arias initially told investigators that she wasn't at the home. Then she changed her story, saying two people broke into the house and attacked them. Finally in June 2010, Arias admitted to killing her ex out of self defense, according to court documents.

 

[OEJ]

Creeps you out? He was so sweet to Jodi. So kind and patient even though he was clearly tired and sleepy. Being an imperfect Mormon (being lustful) doesn't make him or anyone else slimy or creepy.

Stabbing a vulnerable man almost 30 times does.

May Travis rest in peace.

I do not "like" Travis. I don't think he deserves the pedestal he has been placed on, at all. He
is a total <mod snip> in my opinion. However, complete <mod snip> have every protection under the laws not to be murdered.

 

[paperwing]

Good Morning!

Can someone help me with this:

The first story is she didn't kill him and wasn't there.

The second is the Ninja story.

The third story is self defense. Didn't she come up with the self defense story in 2010?

I just read an article that says the self defense story came up in 2008 after she was arrested. And that is not the first time I read an article stating it was 2008.

I think I am right when I say it was 2010.

You are right. At least to everything I've heard and read (and I'm pretty well hooked on this case). I've heard the phrase "two years later" repeated several times on either 48-hour type program or IS/HLN type coverage. I can try to validate my confidence by looking it up, but I know you're right.

Some were making a point of emphasizing it when this trial was first getting underway. Seems like a lifetime ago, doesn't it? How curious it was that she suddenly (or at least dramatically) submitted her new plea of affirmative defense (self defense).

I think I saw this in the court minutes or within the Investigation/case documents on Huffington Post. If you don't find anything I'll try in a bit.
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ETA: I'm sorry - I may have misspoken in saying she was using an affirmative defense. It's either an affirmative defense or a justification defense - which according to AZ rev. statues, are not the same. Not that that was what you were questioning, I just don't want to post something I find out may not be right. I don't think any of the lawyers are awake yet.

 

[OEJ]

Thank you for saying this. I really think Travis gets an unfair deal for the broadcasting of his private sexual proclivities. All of these encounters were consensual and even if you don't care for them if you found out they were between a married couple (and they do) you would think differently about them.

I mean imagine if you had your own most private thoughts and fantasies, sexual and otherwise aired to world?

The world would be very bored in my case, lol, but it works good for me.

 

[BrownRice]

Random question: How did Ryan Byrnes know Jodi had "close to a six-pack" on her abs if their clothes remained on?

 

[TotallyObsessed]

I am brand new here! Been reading everything. <lurker>. But I love you guys already. I think we will become good friends.

Lots of smart people.

I am impressed.

(we'll talk)

*wink wink*

Welcome!

 

[CarolinaMoon]

I'm not a psychological expert and most of what I know, I learned here!

I've watched the debate and Jodi's testiphony. Travis, in the defense's view, was a bad Mormon who betrayed all his beliefs. He treated Jodi in an abusive manner. He lunged at her and attacked her because she dropped his camera. (I believe she didn't drop the camera until she started her attack as the ceiling picture was taken from about waist level.)

Well, I have to go back and compare childhoods before I make any decisions about these two.

If you make a list of abuse in their childhoods, whatever Jodi dreamed up, Travis' abuse was real and psychologically devastating. Travis' character was well set by the age of 10, when he ran away for the last time to live with his grandparents.

Travis embraced his grandparents' Mormonism as a way out of the chaos he was raised in. He took their strong support and values and turned himself into the person he wanted to be.

In looking at the photos of his house and his closet, it is clear he worked hard and valued his possessions and took meticulous care of them. He did the same with his life.

But, that is not to say he was totally "healed" of his childhood. He was a Mormon, 30, and unmarried. He wanted to marry the right woman who would share his values and ambitions for life.

Unfortunately, Jodi came into the picture and appealed to the damaged part of him. He was seeking love, and she attempted to provide it in the only way she could. He bought it hook, line, and sinker for a while.

Then, his better judgment kicked in, but he lacked the skills to know how to ditch Jodi for good early on in the relationship. Having grown up in chaos, the chaos Jodi made of his life might have seemed on the normal side to him.

Just because a person moves on from horrendous abuse doesn't mean there aren't tremendous scars and gaps in knowing how to foster a good, loving, relationship.

 

[BritsKate]

Good Morning!

Can someone help me with this:

The first story is she didn't kill him and wasn't there.

The second is the Ninja story.

The third story is self defense. Didn't she come up with the self defense story in 2010?

I just read an article that says the self defense story came up in 2008 after she was arrested. And that is not the first time I read an article stating it was 2008.

I think I am right when I say it was 2010.

Sloppy reporting. According to the State's Motion to Preclude Letters Purportedly Written by Travis Alexander, Jodi filed Notice of Defenses June 22nd, 2010 to assert justification.

On June 22, defendant filed a Notice of Defenses, noticing
that she intended to assert justification defenses under A.R.S.
§§ 13-405 and 13-415. Defendant had previously attributed the
crime to intruders.

Some court documents can be downloaded here: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/12/29/jodi-arias_n_1174274.html

 

[BrownRice]

I'm not a psychological expert and most of what I know, I learned here!

I've watched the debate and Jodi's testiphony. Travis, in the defense's view, was a bad Mormon who betrayed all his beliefs. He treated Jodi in an abusive manner. He lunged at her and attacked her because she dropped his camera. (I believe she didn't drop the camera until she started her attack as the ceiling picture was taken from about waist level.)

Well, I have to go back and compare childhoods before I make any decisions about these two.

If you make a list of abuse in their childhoods, whatever Jodi dreamed up, Travis' abuse was real and psychologically devastating. Travis' character was well set by the age of 10, when he ran away for the last time to live with his grandparents.

Travis embraced his grandparents' Mormonism as a way out of the chaos he was raised in. He took their strong support and values and turned himself into the person he wanted to be.

In looking at the photos of his house and his closet, it is clear he worked hard and valued his possessions and took meticulous care of them. He did the same with his life.

But, that is not to say he was totally "healed" of his childhood. He was a Mormon, 30, and unmarried. He wanted to marry the right woman who would share his values and ambitions for life.

Unfortunately, Jodi came into the picture and appealed to the damaged part of him. He was seeking love, and she attempted to provide it in the only way she could. He bought it hook, line, and sinker for a while.

Then, his better judgment kicked in, but he lacked the skills to know how to ditch Jodi for good early on in the relationship. Having grown up in chaos, the chaos Jodi made of his life might have seemed on the normal side to him.

Just because a person moves on from horrendous abuse doesn't mean there aren't tremendous scars and gaps in knowing how to foster a good, loving, relationship.

Good Morning! That's a wonderful post to start our day.

 

[BritsKate]

I do not "like" Travis. I don't think he deserves the pedestal he has been placed on, at all. He
is a total jerk in my opinion. However, complete jerks have every protection under the laws not to be murdered.

Well I think we can pretty much only conclude he's a 'total jerk' based on the testimony of someone who has lied prolifically from the time this crime hit the headlines.

I, for one, will take the word of dozens of Travis' friends, co-workers, and family over the account of a proven liar who faces the death penalty for his murder.

To those people, Travis' generosity knew few bounds. Whether it was offering a ride, a place to crash or buying groceries when people were struggling financially. To those people, Travis had the unique ability to make them believe they were capable of great things. To those people, Travis had a sense of humor so big he could have a room of strangers laughing in mere moments. To those people, he was loved and respected.

Jodi's own admissions - until 2010 - only reinforce what every one else who has spoken of him has claimed.

If believing the sentiments of many who knew him over the testimony of the woman who butchered him is also equivalent to placing him on a pedestal then I am guilty as charged. I simply believe, while not perfect, Travis was just a good, decent, caring guy trying to find out where he fit in this world - like most of us.

MOO

 

[paperwing]

Here you go, Linda from NY! (Note: image cropped and squeezed a bit to hopefully not blow margins but still be legible. Text is completely unaltered). See link below for all the Court Documents from that Huffington Post page.


http://www.docstoc.com/docs/109828551/Jodi-Arias-Court-Documents

Help? Can someone explain why I could post an image from my computer the other day at full size but today my only option is a thumbnail? TIA

Help #2: Now it's not even a thumbnail, but a link. I hate that... And it's below the link I said would be below. Argh...

 

[Softail]

Copied this from the timeline thread. This is the first time I've seen this letter that Jodi composed to Travis. Sheesh, she is sooooo needy. It just shows me what I've though all along - Stalker, upset that he rejected her.

She may have been better off to go for an insanity defense.

Travis,

Hey, there, I feel like sharing this with you. After all, you are my friend. It’s been a bit of a sore subject for both of us in the past and sometimes it feels like it continues to be, but I hope you’ll understand where I am coming from. I really hope you can stretch your mind and heart for this and put yourself in my shoes for the moment. I’m not saying you have to stay there nor do you have to agree with me, but I think if you give it an honest and sincere effort you will surely understand the way I feel, and why it is I sometimes feel this way.

I know the tone of an email or text message can sometime be ambiguous since the receiver is only interpreting what the tone of the sender would be if it were spoken, so please know that the spirit in which i send this is that of love, camaraderie, and amistad (friendship).

Here goes...

I realized after further introspection why it is that I asked you to give me a little mention in your next post as credit for the task of editing and grammar and typing the lengthly thing out. Partly, it is obvious. You gave your friend Katie a mention, and that was just for the intro. Logically, I am your friend, too. Your first chapter is at length and much longer, and so being the human that I am, it would make me feel good to have a little recognition thrown my way. But it goes deeper than that. I know I should be over this by now, and on most levels I am, really. But I feel that I never got the proper “credit” or recognition I deserved as your girlfriend. You say it is because you’re a private person. you say it was because of Deanna. You say it was because you were rather attached to the reputation of being a single, eligible bachelor. I understand all of that. I really do, and that’s okay, hon. I don’t harbor bad feelings over any of that stuff. I’m serious. You may be asking yourself why then the lengthly email detailing all of this, if that is in fact the case? Well, it’s a good thing this is in “writing” because if that is your question it has already been answered in the first paragraph of this email. Refer back to it if you wish. But my cry for a little recognition comes from a place within me that feels it was never adequately gratified in that it thirsted to be validated not just as some girl friend that you associated with, but as your girlfriend. I wasn’t asking for you to give me credit for all of your greatness, no. If I had anything to do with that then only a very tiny part, if at all. Though I was beginning to wonder if you were going to be able to subscribe to the philosophy that behind every great man there is a great woman, then that philosophy is a two way street, by the way.

I find myself now wishing to be recognized as your friend, and I think that comes from the fact that there is a hesitancy on your part to grant me that recognition within your entire circle of friends.

I’m going to digress a bit but I’m going to try tie it all together. Either way, this isn’t so much about flowing as it is purging.

About your mode of operation with Deanna, I both appreciated and despised it at the time. I could care less now. It was a double-edge sword for you. I know. For me as well. If Deanna was happy, Travis was happy, Jodi was Happy. True, you didn’t want to deal with her interrogations and emotions, and in large part, you wanted to protect her. Easily understandable for me, having the soft heart that I do when it comes to matters of romance and broken hearts. Protecting her? That is very characteristic of your sweeter, caring, considerate side. You’ve shown that to me as well on countless occasions. You are a bit of a people-pleaser, and that has been to my benefit and not. Again, it is a double-edged sword. You go out of your way to do things for me that will make me happy and you consider my feelings when doing certain things. I also realize it gets you tied up in certain ways. This incident about your blog, namely, where you don’t even want to give my name a mention because of the unwelcome crap and comments you receive by your friends, Chris and Sky Hughes. So there is a bit of people-pleasing going on it seems with more of your friendships beyond just the spectrum of ours.

Well, I’m going to make it easier for you. Given our history and the fact that we’ve dated and all, if any of your friendships should take the back burner it should be the one you have to hide from others. Don’t misunderstand me (remember the spirit in which I am saying this). I value our friendship as one of the greatest treasures I’ve ever had the fortune of having, knowing and experiencing. Have I mishandled it in the past? Guilty. Both of our track records have been tarnished, but that doesn’t diminish how much we value each other and the inherent divinity that is within us.

When you are scrutinized, criticized and question about being my friend that’s one thing. It hurts both, yes, but it is easily rectified by standing strong and firm in defense of our friendship. You’ve done that plenty of times. Even perfhaps when I was underserving of such defense. But when you have to censor our friendship for fear of the criticism you will receive as a result of it, then it becomes awkwardly and embarrassingly apparent that something is not right, especially when all it is is a friendship. A friendship. We’re not secret lovers. It’s a friendship.

I am proud to call you my friend. I am brag about you to whoever will listen, to promote you, speak highly of you and give you all of the accolades you’ve ever deserved and any chance I get. I’ve never had to hide our friendship from anyone. Never. I would publish it in major newspapers nationwide and broadcast it on syndicated radio and national television.

You see. I have no shame in being your friend. And if anyone every tried to guilt me, judge me, criticized me, harrass me or otherwise give me an ounce of crap over it, I would put them in their place so fast they would never think to open their mouths on the subject again.

I’m not saying you should feel or do the same. But because I am your friend first and foremost and because I care very much about your happiness and well-being. I think you would be better off if you had one less person to worry about pleasing. I’m sure you can agree with that much. It is so simple to please me, it really is (it’s the little things that just make my entire day!) but I haven’t always made it easy for you.

So I’m going to be proactive and remove myself from the list of people you have to worry about pleasing. Still friends? Of course, silly! We’re not about to dissolve a friendship that was firmly formed almost 2 years ago (likely before that in the grander scheme of things, aka: the Pre-Existence). But here I am with the proverbial scissors cutting the proverbial strings of our friendship. We remain friends only now because of our free will to do so, not because we feel as though we are still tied to each other and have to be because of some imagined obligation or nicety.

This, I believe will make our life a lot less stressful and all around easier. If anything, it will be a weight off of your shoulders, one you’ve shouldered like a champ, believe me *)

You’ve done more for me than some friends that I’ve known nearly 20 years! I love you and I will always be here for you as your friend and confidant. Take comfort in that if it brings you any.

Faithfully Your Friend

Jodi Arias