Jodi Arias TAKES THE STAND #38 *may contain graphic and adult content*

[oceanblueeyes]

My impression was that it proves it was a deliberate act on her part and not during a struggle.

Exactly and we have seen she cut him from ear to ear. There was no hesitation on her part. One slice with a very sharp knife and she almost decapitated him.

But her tall tale would be outlandish just like all the other boring stuff we have had to listen to for days on end.

IMO

 

[Ammonitida]

What did Juan say? He may have wanted the ME to say he saw no hestitation marks .......meaning she meant to do it and did.

IMO

But the term "hesitation mark" is usually associated with attempted and/or successful suicides.

And it could mean that Jodi has given an account of how Travis attempted to slit his own throat.

 

[atthelake]

Hi all Want to start this post by saying.... IMO Gus is an idiot, and I don't know if he was looking for the limelight, or if once he was in it, he was enjoying it, and I don't want this to seem like I am sticking up for him BUT....
He is mistaken about when he got the call. It's just plain and simple that. When she was arrested, he probably did do the right thing by calling, especially if he really did believe that she called him that night. I also heard his interview with JC on TruTV on Thursday (? I think it was Thursday), he said the records would have shown when the call was, not that he had the records to prove it.
If he should be held accountable in anyway for her phoning him, and him not calling anyone afterwards, then what about the other people she phoned that night too? should they have called too? According to Abe, she called him the night TA was found too, and he went in spy mode, and had a feeling she was responsible (this was on his first or second time he was on Dr. Drew), did he call the police with his suspicions? why not? She also called her friend from Utah, Lisa, the one that testified for the prosecution. Should she have called the police?
I get that it's totally wrong for him to be saying that she called the night he was killed, but I happen to think it's totally irresponsible for the media to have kept going with it.... when all it took was a simple google search for me to find that Gus didn't go to Cancun until the 10th, and he remembered he was going to the Cancun the next day after she called. Shoot... you'd think that Gus could have looked at his own calendar and realized he is wrong... and she must have called on the 9th (the day Travis' body was found).

Anyway... JMO and all that jazz lol I just wish the media that did interview him would have questioned him more... before running with the story over and over and over.... he would have just faded away.

Perhaps everyone here when something like that happens so obviously in the media, we all put it on the appropriate media Facebook. Facebook is for everybody other than Websleuths and them and the producer to see! and folks like strawberry (( strawberry on this thread?)) send them tweets. even competitive media outlets!

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[G&AMom]

This has probably been asked & answered before, but this is one of the many things I'm confused about:

Jodi says they dated from Feb 07 thru June 07 (something like that). But, she says, they continued to have a "clandestine" relationship for another year. Yet on the May 10 taped phone conversation, Travis refers to being unhappy about Abe coming on to his girlfriend (paraphrased) in Oklahoma. He says "girlfriend" in a very happy, flirty kind of way, just like the rest of the conversation.

I realize that he had decided she wasn't marriage material, and apparently told other people that he didn't want to see her, yet at the same time he doesn't seem to be bothered by referring to her as his girlfriend. Is it possible that on May 10 they were "on" again? One of my sons had a relationship like this: 2 years together, then 2 years off-and-on for months at a time, before finally ending it. Meaning everything would be golden for a month, then out of nowhere a big blow up, then back together two months later, everything good. Repeat, repeat, repeat.

 

[Elley Mae]

I noticed that JA is left handed, was there any talk from the ME about the slashed throat and if it was evident that the wound was started from the left or right side of TA's neck? TIA

 

[momof7]

This has probably been asked & answered before, but this is one of the many things I'm confused about:

Jodi says they dated from Feb 07 thru June 07 (something like that). But, she says, they continued to have a "clandestine" relationship for another year. Yet on the May 10 taped phone conversation, Travis refers to being unhappy about Abe coming on to his girlfriend (paraphrased) in Oklahoma. He says "girlfriend" in a very happy, flirty kind of way, just like the rest of the conversation.

I realize that he had decided she wasn't marriage material, and apparently told other people that he didn't want to see her, yet at the same time he doesn't seem to be bothered by referring to her as his girlfriend. Is it possible that on May 10 they were "on" again? One of my sons had a relationship like this: 2 years together, then 2 years off-and-on for months at a time, before finally ending it. Meaning everything would be golden for a month, then out of nowhere a big blow up, then back together two months later, everything good. Repeat, repeat, repeat.

I had thought the comment was about Abe asking about TA or saying nice things about TA even though TA did not like hm because when JA/TA were gf/bf he hit on JA. That it happened in the past not that they were bf/gf at the time of the recording. I could be wrong. I am so confused about everything datewise...:waitasec:

 

[makayla]

I am brand new here! Been reading everything. <lurker>. But I love you guys already. I think we will become good friends.

Lots of smart people.

I am impressed.

(we'll talk)

*wink wink*

WELCOME! :seeya:

look forward to hearing from you . . . this is a great place to be!

 

[StephanieHartPI]

I noticed that JA is left handed, was there any talk from the ME about the slashed throat and if it was evident that the wound was started from the left or right side of TA's neck? TIA

A lot of wounds right side/Travis. which points to a left handed assailant
Including gunshot wound to the area above his right eyebrow. Left hander lifts gun whether she is next to him, or he turned and was going to face her, gets him on the right side.

 

[OEJ]

Well I think we can pretty much only conclude he's a 'total jerk' based on the testimony of someone who has lied prolifically from the time this crime hit the headlines.

I, for one, will take the word of dozens of Travis' friends, co-workers, and family over the account of a proven liar who faces the death penalty for his murder.

To those people, Travis' generosity knew few bounds. Whether it was offering a ride, a place to crash or buying groceries when people were struggling financially. To those people, Travis had the unique ability to make them believe they were capable of great things. To those people, Travis had a sense of humor so big he could have a room of strangers laughing in mere moments. To those people, he was loved and respected.

Jodi's own admissions - until 2010 - only reinforce what every one else who has spoken of him has claimed.

If believing the sentiments of many who knew him over the testimony of the woman who butchered him is also equivalent to placing him on a pedestal then I am guilty as charged. I simply believe, while not perfect, Travis was just a good, decent, caring guy trying to find out where he fit in this world - like most of us.

MOO

My dislike of Travis' behavior has nothing to do with Jodi or her testimony. I don't like the deceitfulness. I like to stay away from people with rape fantasies, if I can, and the 12 year old girl orgasming comment made me sick.

 

[Truth Detector]

That's absurd. Where's the knife?

But since Jodi is also a Mormon, and survived the 'ritual', the jurors should logically conclude that she is the one who completed it.

A 'ritual' by any other name will still be murder.

 

[popsicle]

I noticed that JA is left handed, was there any talk from the ME about the slashed throat and if it was evident that the wound was started from the left or right side of TA's neck? TIA

iirc He stated he was unable to tell.

 

[oceanblueeyes]

I don't think they will rest before testifying about the events of the 4th. She has already testified that she killed him in self-defense. I could be wrong, but I would think that opens the door for JM to question her at the "self-defense" and how/why/when/where it happened. The DT has nothing to lose at this point so they will concoct a story to explain the motive and brutality of the slaying. All of this other testimony is to just humanize her in front of a jury who most likely has already made up its collective mind about her guilt as to 1st degree premeditated murder.

I actually think she will go into great details with her elaborate lies. She thinks details are a better way of getting people to believe lies over the truth.

Yes her first statment is enough for him to ask her about the self defense she claims happened.

Well IMO they have failed miserablly in humanizing her. She has such a flat affect with her monotone drone. The jury is not identifying with her imo. Imo they already know what she says is nothing but lies.

In fact the longer she talks the closer she gets to death row imo.

IMO

 

[oceanblueeyes]

But the term "hesitation mark" is usually associated with attempted and/or successful suicides.

And it could mean that Jodi has given an account of how Travis attempted to slit his own throat.

Well I certainly hope she tells that ridiculous story. She will certainly pay for that ridiculous lie.

IMO

 

[StephanieHartPI]

But the term "hesitation mark" is usually associated with attempted and/or successful suicides.

And it could mean that Jodi has given an account of how Travis attempted to slit his own throat.

And after reading the M.E. report, it's hard for me to determine was was happening other than sheer chaos, rage, hysteria, anger on her part. She either taunted him based on a few of the less deep "pokes" just to be mean, trying to get him to stop moving OR see if he was alive. Or, they are the result of her simply not landing the blow very well, so she did it again, it indicates clusters of 9 stab wounds then hard stabs through the back, through the soft tissues and past the ribs but not quite to the chest cavity (mind you this would be him maybe on his knees, or belly, just laying there, or moaning and crawling almost involuntarily mustering any strength left totally disoriented having no earthly idea what is happening to him) And she is not sure why he won't go down permanently.

Her first blow whatever it was, slice to neck, gunshot, rendered him pretty "hurt" or he would simply over power her. So she got in a surprise "first" something. No broken fingernails on his part, no appearance he grabbed her scratched etc.

He could have just been down, or slumped at the sink and she went for it again. I read the reports over and over and wonder if he was ever aware it was her doing it. Just heart breaking.

 

[Lilly12]

Bringing this post over from the closed thread to reply.



I have full faith in this jury. Her lies are so obvious even to a layperson, imo.

They are not going to be fooled by the antics of JAs or her agenda. They heard the real voice tone of JA on the sex tape.

DD is an idiot many times. He wants to tie everything to abuse. :banghead:

That juror.. should they exist and I dont think they do.. will have to get by 11 other sound minded jurors who will deliberate and show the one lone wolf that sympathy is not allowed when coming to a verdict. In fact they will be given that instruction. I find 99.9% of jurors do the right thing and abide by their oath, law and jury instructions. Cases like CAs are an anomaly.

IMO

I just got on the message board, but must ask, was Jackie Kennedy abused, she had a little girl voice. Melanie Griffith, there are many woman with little girl voices, I have a niece who has a little girl voice and I know she was not abused. Phyco babblers I remember someone on a talk show using that term for doctors like DD. my opinion only

 

[Madeleine74]

Many 12 yr old females are menstruating. What we, as a modern society don't recognize, is that if you go back many centuries or even further back, 12 yr olds were having babies. Go back to prehistoric times. A 12 yr old was a sexually mature adult (biologically-speaking). Of course the average lifespan was probably around 30 yrs old at that time too.

So biology has set the stage and it's coded in DNA. Despite what societal mores have evolved to, a menstruating female is not considered a child--not biologically speaking. Pedophilia is someone who is attracted to children--i.e. not sexually mature boys and girls (who by definition would not be considered children biologically-speaking). Legally, yes. The age of 18 is considered the age of consent and yes I understand that.

I'm only talking from a biological standpoint. So (biologically-speaking) a male finding a young woman attractive is not deviant. However, laws and societal norms do create an extended childhood, even if biology says otherwise. Someone having a first orgasm could be considered sexually of-age (again, only biologically-speaking). I'm not excusing TA's comment, but I do see the other side of it and why it might not be quite as heinous as some make it out to be.

 

[JaimeInLA]

I think she is pretty darned strong. Takes a lot of guts to stab someone.....slit their throat from ear to ear and shoot them in the head. She is no little waif. What one finds disrepectful others do not. Fantasies are just that......fantasies and he never carried them out. JA said he didnt. It was betweeen two consenting adults and frankly it isnt anyone else's business. The only reason their private moments have been brought out to be critized after the fact is this wench is on trial for heinously murdering this man and she is doing everything she can to make Travis look bad and she like the little angel. GAG me with a spoon.

I dont think she consented.........I think she was the aggressor with a man she knew had not had the sexual experiences she had and she so willingly showed him a world he had never known.

When did he let her back for sex? She moved and from what his friends have said he was glad. Who wouldnt be. He was not even into the sex talk. He was bored and falling asleep. Who was chatty Kathy? Ms. Arias. I think he tried to appease her trying to keep her at a distance.

Women who did date Travis have spoken out and they said he was nothing but a gentleman. A man or a woman can cross paths with a member of the opposite sex that can bring them down to their level. Travis had no clue how dangerous this sociopath truly is.

I see nothing showing me Travis was a jerk. I will never believe the words of a sickening pathological lying murderer who lies everytime her mouth opens. SHE is the only one saying he is a jerk because she stupidly thinks the jury will believe her concocted lies and they will not fall for such baloney imo.

IMO

I meant psychologically and mentally strong, not physically.

He let her back in for sex on the day he was murdered!

I don't disagree with anything you all are saying about Travis. And I'm certainly not defending Jodi! All I'm saying is that, if Travis would have said to me what he said to Jodi on that taped phone call, I would have thought he was a jerk and ran for the hills.

But you make a fair point that he probably wouldn't have ever said those particular things to me, because I wouldn't have baited him like Jodi did.

 

[Zuri]

How do you suppose JA got out of the house, probably covered in blood, unnoticed by anyone? Has the backpack or purse ever been found?

 

[rose222]

State of Arizona versus Jodi Ann Arias. As to case number CR2008-031021-001SE, as to the charge of first degree murder, with premeditation, verdict as to count one, we, the jury, find the defendant guilty. So say we all. Dated at Phoenix, Maricopa County, Arizona, on this 20th day of March, 2013.

:smiliescale:

For the last few days to calm my nerves I repeat something like the above to myself. Guilty, guilty, guilty. Please.

 

[oceanblueeyes]

How do you suppose JA got out of the house, probably covered in blood, unnoticed by anyone? Has the backpack or purse ever been found?

No nothing has ever been found Zuri.

I dont think we will ever know. Maybe she made sure no one was outside when she left. Maybe she knew even if they did see her they wouldnt recognize her ...she even said the roommates and neighbors knew her as a blonde.

So many murderers get away undetected and no one sees or hears a thing.

I think she buried the weapons and burned her bloody clothing/shoes in the Arizona desert.

IMO