Jodi Arias TAKES THE STAND #38 *may contain graphic and adult content*

[popsicle]

This is good and I agree with most of it. But like momof7 says for Jodi sex is love and love is sex. Maybe for BOTH Travis and Jodi sex was confused with love.
My mom gave me a great piece of advice when I was about 17 that helped me in my twenties . She said that sex itself can create “romantic” feelings in a woman that can mimic the feelings of love. Often women feel they are in love with a man after they have been having sex, whereas they may not have felt that way if they had left sex out of it. In short, if you want to trust your feelings of “am I in love?” then you probably should leave sex out of it until you are sure. She also explained to me that many men can and will have sex with a women they do not respect, yet most women will need to respect a man in some way before having sex with him. So just because a man wants to have sex with you, don't think he respects you.

I think that "real" love is forged in the flames of enduring trying times together. Working through problems together.
That is why it's best not to get sexually attached prematurely. Infatuation or enchantment or attraction are great - but these things are
NOT what healthy relationships are based on.

I think that a teenage girl whose parents have instilled within her a strong sense of dignity, confidence & commitment to goodness thinks way too much of herself and of LOVE
to ever consider cheapening things through "casual" sex.

self love is always the limiting factor in loving others.
you will never feel loved if you do not love yourself.

self hatred is the hidden underbelly of almost all the violence & nastiness in the world.

NOT loving ourselves makes it hard to let others really love us.

There are "bad" people - yes-but i think there are also a lot of very
badly loved people. feeling love circulating through you makes you want to celebrate and nurture life - not destroy it.
was jodi a bad person or a badly loved person? or both?

What a truly beautiful post Shelley.

 

[momof7]

I think the fact that her father would disconnect something in the car engine is a red flag that she was, indeed, a very defiant young woman. jmo

I had forgotten that little tidbit. Sounds like mom and dad were doing what they could to keep her safe from herself. Not so much abusing her.

Just not buying the parental abuse angle anymore than the TA one.

 

[DenverClipper]

I think it's a possibility because their case is so weak. The less they say the better. I'm pretty sure that JM can question her about that day. I think she'll try to appear dazed, weak and forgetful. I expect some shaking, shivering and crying too. It should be interesting to see what sort of act she puts up when JM is finally given his chance.

If the defense chooses not to question JA regarding the events of June 4th - then that opens the door for her to say that she can't remember what happened when it comes time for Juan to have at her.

She can say she just doesn't remember anything after Travis lunged for her after dropping the camera. It could be a strategy.

There is no earthly way she can weave a tale of self defense. They know it and so does the jury. IMO

 

[Ammonitida]

O/T but I thought I would throw this out and see if one of the many legal experts here could elaborate further on this idea please.

All of us here have been speculating on how JA will explain her actions on that fateful day. Just how was it self defense? I for one dont think the defense can weave a credible tale of the events that day that the jury will believe. So that leads me to wondering.

Is it possible that Nurmi will rest BEFORE recounting that day? I mean what if they decide not to talk about it? Could that be a strategy? And if so, would Juan be forbidden then to question her about June 4th?

I am wondering if their plan is to portray JA as an abused woman and Travis as an abuser and leave it at that. What do they have to lose by not trying to explain the evidence of premeditation?

What if their entire strategy is to merely save her life having concluded already that the jury will convict her. LWOP?

I would really like to know what happened in that bathroom on that day but we probably never will.

Juan Martinez gave the impression that Jodi will be claiming that Travis cut his own throat to complete a Mormon ritual, when he asked the ME about "hesitation marks" to his throat. This led to a discussion about suicide by throat slashing.

 

[popsicle]

If the defense chooses not to question JA regarding the events of June 4th - then that opens the door for her to say that she can't remember what happened when it comes time for Juan to have at her.

She can say she just doesn't remember anything after Travis lunged for her after dropping the camera. It could be a strategy.

There is no earthly way she can weave a tale of self defense. They know it and so does the jury. IMO

I think if she were to go that route, which I don't don't believe she will, she will have no credibility with this jury.

 

[TartLemon]

Juan Martinez gave the impression that Jodi will be claiming that Travis cut his own throat to complete a Mormon ritual, when he asked the ME about "hesitation marks" to his throat. This led to a discussion about suicide by throat slashing.

That's absurd. Where's the knife?

 

[Ammonitida]

If the defense chooses not to question JA regarding the events of June 4th - then that opens the door for her to say that she can't remember what happened when it comes time for Juan to have at her.

She can say she just doesn't remember anything after Travis lunged for her after dropping the camera. It could be a strategy.

There is no earthly way she can weave a tale of self defense. They know it and so does the jury. IMO

That won't happen. During the cross examination of the Medical Examiner, Wilcot asked a series of questions that strongly suggest that Jodi has given a detailed account of the murder and the sequences of events.

It may go like this (pieced together from defense cross of the ME)

1. Defensive stabbing while facing him.

2. Gunshot to the head while he was crawling to get at her.

3. He slashes his own throat or she helps him, to cleanse his sins in accordance with the Mormon ritual of Endowment.

 

[Pink Panther]

Juan Martinez gave the impression that Jodi will be claiming that Travis cut his own throat to complete a Mormon ritual, when he asked the ME about "hesitation marks" to his throat. This led to a discussion about suicide by throat slashing.

I had not picked up on this at all. I remember his questioning about the hesitation marks but I didn't come to this conclusion at all? Has this been discussed here?

 

[popsicle]

Juan Martinez gave the impression that Jodi will be claiming that Travis cut his own throat to complete a Mormon ritual, when he asked the ME about "hesitation marks" to his throat. This led to a discussion about suicide by throat slashing.

My impression was that it proves it was a deliberate act on her part and not during a struggle.

 

[Ammonitida]

That's absurd. Where's the knife?

It is absurd, but why would Juan ask about "hesitation marks" to his throat? It seemed like he was trying to get information of the ME to counter a detail in the account Arias gave to her DV expert.

 

[Ammonitida]

My impression was that it proves it was a deliberate act on her part and not during a struggle.

Didn't think of that. Seems more likely.

 

[LambChop]

That's absurd. Where's the knife?

Jodi took it with her. She didn't want anyone to think ill of him. jmo :floorlaugh:

 

[Nosey Parker]

I don't think they will rest before testifying about the events of the 4th. She has already testified that she killed him in self-defense. I could be wrong, but I would think that opens the door for JM to question her at the "self-defense" and how/why/when/where it happened. The DT has nothing to lose at this point so they will concoct a story to explain the motive and brutality of the slaying. All of this other testimony is to just humanize her in front of a jury who most likely has already made up its collective mind about her guilt as to 1st degree premeditated murder.

It would not surprise me if they keep her testimony on this 'incident' very short - glossing over and minimizing the slaughter. I think it likely she will say he came at her, she feared for her life and panicked -became oblivious to everything - no idea what happened or where the weapons came from. Came out of her daze the night she learned he was dead but didn't realise that she had killed him, or had even been there, until the evidence proved it. Too scared then to own up, hence lies to police. Didn't recall self-defence until later in jail and recognised that she was a DV victim (after reading manual, of course.) What else can they say?

 

[Linda7NJ]

It would not surprise me if they keep her testimony on this 'incident' very short - glossing over and minimizing the slaughter. I think it likely she will say he came at her, she feared for her life and panicked -became oblivious to everything - no idea what happened or where the weapons came from. Came out of her daze the night she learned he was dead but didn't realise that she had killed him, or had even been there, until the evidence proved it. Too scared then to own up, hence lies to police. Didn't recall self-defence until later in jail and recognised that she was a DV victim (after reading manual, of course.) What else can they say?

I agree with you in that would be what her lawyer would want....

Jodi is going to do what Jodi wants, and that's drone on and on ...


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[TartLemon]

Where was JA getting $$$ to rent cars and such? You need a credit card for that.

 

[Nosey Parker]

I agree with you in that would be what her lawyer would want....

Jodi is going to do what Jodi wants, and that's drone on and on ...


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Yeah - that too! :rocker:

 

[atthelake]

The night TA's body was found, TA's "supposed" good friend and former roommate Daniel called Jodi and told her. Frankly, I think he was warning her. This is the same guy who has reportedly visits her in jail (or his family did) and in photos with Jodi he always appears to be "that guy" the one in the background always secretly coveting his best friend's girl.

He had to have known at that point that all of TA's friends suspected Jodi and none of TA's other friends called her or made contact with her. The fact that he did so quickly and was the only one - speaks volumes to me. I think Daniel was doing one big Heads Up!!

Has this guy been on a talking head shows yet?

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[oceanblueeyes]

It is absurd, but why would Juan ask about "hesitation marks" to his throat? It seemed like he was trying to get information of the ME to counter a detail in the account Arias gave to her DV expert.

What did Juan say? He may have wanted the ME to say he saw no hestitation marks .......meaning she meant to do it and did.

IMO

 

[Quester]

[JA] Sidesteps Talk of Killing Ex-Boyfriend on Stand

...
"When you talk as long as she has, for as many days as she did, she is leaving a trail of crumbs for the prosecutor to just pounce on. He is going to turn her into puree, and it is not going to be pretty," [SP, a forensic psychiatrist who often testifies as an expert witness in court.] said.
...
In the cases I've been involved in when the defendant portrays herself as a victim, most jurors see right through that."
...

http://www.masoncountydailynews.com...desteps-talk-of-killing-ex-boyfriend-on-stand

 

[StephanieHartPI]

State of Arizona versus Jodi Ann Arias. As to case number CR2008-031021-001SE, as to the charge of first degree murder, with premeditation, verdict as to count one, we, the jury, find the defendant guilty. So say we all. Dated at Phoenix, Maricopa County, Arizona, on this 20th day of March, 2013.

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