Jodi Arias TAKES THE STAND #38 *may contain graphic and adult content*

[Zuri]

Can Gus be "fired" from PPL, now Legal Shield? I am sure corporate would not be happy with his stories.

 

[DAWN TREADER]

IMHO, just Gus looking for more airtime and JVM hyping for viewers. Did Gus ever say JA called him on the 5th? The Cancun trip was the day after Travis was discovered.

SEARCY: Well, first off, you have to understand what was happening. If you recall, Travis was leaving the next day to go on a trip to Cancun. So was I. I actually left on that trip to go to Cancun. I was in Cancun for about a week.

Yep, sex, lies and audiotape - that's what drives the ratings along with ppl seemingly all too willing to sell their soul for 15 minutes of fame

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ETA

I suppose it must be noted Gus tells JVM that Jodi CALLED HIM and phone records will verify what he's claiming.

 

[TartLemon]

I'm confused about when the trip to Cancun was. I've heard he was to leave the next day, but don't understand why the trip mates would have noticed right away he was not there.

 

[StephanieHartPI]

Me too! I knoe JM needs to stay focused so he doesn't dilute his case by going off on every wild goose chase Nurmi and JA sends him on, but this one is important to refute absolutely, so poor Travis' imaged is not tarnished any more and JA is shown to be a ruthless liar.

I agree, and once you see the complete transcription it makes it clear why we are still debating. As much as I wish he was solid and consistent during this testimony he was not. I would even say he formed some opinions at the end that contradict what he says in the beginning. A clear case of the Defense asking a question in 100 ways to get him going in a circle. I don't like that but it's part of their game.

So anyone that is firm that he drew conclusions and they are evidence and they were not guessing.. I suppose I would ask, are you referring to his conclusion in the first 15 minutes of testimony or the different conclusion toward the end when he changed his answer based on the same autopsy. I am transcribing more and hope she does not make an issue of that. That was pretty...well, not good.

 

[Truth Detector]

Boy, that was just a joyful moment wasnt it? Juan at his best. Here's what I geaned. Nurmi entered the exhibit and Jodi tried to claim it was an email that had been forwarded to Travis. However, the FWD (which most email systems typically insert by default when an email is forwarded to another person) was in the subject line of the email (which is an editable field and anyone can type the letters "FWD" without it actually being a forwarded email). Additionally, Travis's name was in the "To" field AND there was a BCC present whih typically only appears when you use the blind carbon copy feature. This means Jodi secretly sent this email to someone at the same time she sent this to Travis. Juan had issue with Jodi referring to the email as "the forwarded" email because the exhibit showed no proof that in fact it had been forwarded. Juan wanted the court to refer to the exhibit simply as the email SENT to Travis. He is doing this to debunk her story.

If she did actually BCC Abe on the email message she forwarded to Travis, then she undercuts her own claim that she was TA's mind-numbed robot, blindly following his orders. Remember that she feared him so much that she shook just thinking about 'angry' Travis, right?

No way she could surreptitiously 'betray' Travis to Abe, for she feared his mighty wrath.

 

[StephanieHartPI]

Can Gus be "fired" from PPL, now Legal Shield? I am sure corporate would not be happy with his stories.

yes, without notice and without reason, PPL/Legal Shield can cancel your ability to market their product and you lose any commission you gained for that month (not a big deal to the average PPL person, that might be $35 but if it is a higher up it could be $1000 or so) The average PPL sales person makes $225 a month. Of all agents in the U.S. the average PPL person sells 1 or less Insurance plans a year.

(i got that on Wikipedia or something LOL i did not know that off the top of my head, PPL won't give info on that, but public record might indicate some info)

 

[Dragonfyree]

but if she was hiding to kill him, why take photos at all? why was his camera in the bathroom? why wouldn't she just attack him, and avoid all the time wasting with the camera?

Souvenirs?

Maybe she stabbed him first instead of shooting him was because she wanted him to know that she was killing him. I think a lot of people think stabbing will bring someone down without killing them.

She may never have thought he would be able to come after her after stabbing him. And it looks like he couldn't.

 

[WhoaIsMe]

I'm confused about when the trip to Cancun was. I've heard he was to leave the next day, but don't understand why the trip mates would have noticed right away he was not there.

I believe he was supposed to leave the day after he was found and that is why his friends came to check on him that day since they had not heard from him.

 

[Remove the covering]

I know it has been said previously, pages way back. If they can prove premeditation then the self-defense claim is obliterated.

To me the most important issue for the prosecution to address is the evidence of premeditation. We know JA killed Travis. The bulk of her defense has been the ridiculously long and dull recounting of day-to-day events, as well as her unsubstantiated claims of abuse.

If I were a juror, I'd like to hear bit by bit what shows premeditation:

the missing gun
attempts at avoiding an electronic trail in AZ
the car rental
the hair dye
the convenient cell phone downtime
the gas cans
license plate upside down

I also think her stalking behaviors completely counter the claims of abuse, prior to the killing. And, any evidence that JA cooked up the pedophilia frame-up prior to the crime goes to the utter ruthlessness of her character and her hate for Travis. For me, that is the story to tell in the remaining trial time, since JA has put her version number 3 out there.

Unless JA provides forensic evidence of self-defense that needs to be addressed- I don't see any need to provide more comment on the physical evidence.

Just my opinion about what would be persuasive to me, of course.

 

[WhatsupAZ]

I have been Googling around looking for interesting reads... haven't found much. I know I should just stick with my beloved Websleuths.

But just one comment about all the media crap out there:

He did not "use her for sex". They had sex. They had an immature relationship that was based on sex. So many articles state as fact that he used her for sex.

 

[Callisto]

During her ninja story she says TA was kneeling and on his hands/knees during parts of the attack.. Claims the ninjas kept attacking.. If at any point he was on his hands/knees or kneeling or laying on the ground anything after that is overkill and not self defense, right? I don't know how the DT is going to explain any of it.. He was clearly sitting moments before the attack from the pics, and at some point he must have been on his knees or standing over the sink because of the splatters from coughing up blood, so how could he have been still attacking her enough while facing the sink, coughing up blood to justify the ear to ear throat slash that was nearly decapitating? I know the self defense is yknow, beyond ridiculous to everyone but probably JA..
Also if he was kneeling/on his hands/knees (part of her ninja story) would the trajectory of the bullet make sense?
MOO!

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[mymeow]

One of the big reasons I feel the gun shot was last is she needed him to feel 'her' pain with each stab of the knife. To shoot first and possibly kill immediately would not allow for him to experience that. No, she planned for him to suffer.
Justice for Travis!!

MOO

 

[StephanieHartPI]

Me too! I knoe JM needs to stay focused so he doesn't dilute his case by going off on every wild goose chase Nurmi and JA sends him on, but this one is important to refute absolutely, so poor Travis' imaged is not tarnished any more and JA is shown to be a ruthless liar.

YES and Juan (when I skip ahead) Brings the M.E. right back in to good testimony (at least what I saw, and now she is flipping in papers can't think of what else to ask, you just want to scream, SIT down, you are done, good job, let Juan at it now...she is so afraid she forgot the Bombshell question... new flash, there wasn't one) Shot Stabbed dead.. or Stabbed Shot dead...bottom line.. dead and the woman next to you did it, so watch your back Defense team, I would not turn my back on her.

 

[LambChop]

I agree. The knife could easily have been one from TA's house. No one noticed a knife missing. But who was there to ask? The two roommates who didn't notice there was a dead body in the house for 5 days? I don't think these guys were tuned into the household cutlery inventory.

LE did the inventory. All the knives were in the block. When Jodi tried to make her "get away" in July she had a gun and knives in the car with her. jmo

 

[StephanieHartPI]

Interesting that Jodi reported hearing a very loud ringing noise when Travis was shot.

Yes she did! Darn I hate when I fire a gun at someone and I'm not expecting that loud noise that comes out LOL

(she says at one point she woke up and heard Travis screaming) Um, she could have stunned herself firing the gun in a bathroom would be VERY loud and her own ears were ringing and when they stopped she probably did HEAR the poor guy screaming to get help, thats what people do when you shoot them in the head.. wow...)

 

[zoey]

This is a puzzle. I don't think there's any way Travis was unaware of her throughout the photo shoot. I do wonder why some shots were taken without a flash. A couple of the first pics were with a flash, then subsequent pics appear to have been taken without flash. The last photos, with Travis looking at the camera, and then the seated pics, the flash is on again.

I wish Melendez had given more testimony about the metadata on these photos. I believe all of the flash and exposure and settings info would have been available from his forensic tools.

Her "ninja" story she was showing Travis the pictures perhaps that was when she struck

If you get a fan going he might not have heard

 

[TartLemon]

I believe he was supposed to leave the day after he was found and that is why his friends came to check on him that day since they had not heard from him.

Wow, okay! How many people had scheduled to go? Was it pleasure? Business? Church related?

 

[WhoaIsMe]

During her ninja story she says TA was kneeling and on his hands/knees during parts of the attack.. Claims the ninjas kept attacking.. If at any point he was on his hands/knees or kneeling or laying on the ground anything after that is overkill and not self defense, right? I don't know how the DT is going to explain any of it.. He was clearly sitting moments before the attack from the pics, and at some point he must have been on his knees or standing over the sink because of the splatters from coughing up blood, so how could he have been still attacking her enough while facing the sink, coughing up blood to justify the ear to ear throat slash that was nearly decapitating? I know the self defense is yknow, beyond ridiculous to everyone but probably JA..
Also if he was kneeling/on his hands/knees (part of her ninja story) would the trajectory of the bullet make sense?
MOO!

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Unfortunately I think that is why we've had to hear/read about her whole boring life. I think the DV expert who will be testifying for the defense later will say... she was abused by her mother who beat her with a spoon, she was abused by her father who hit her, abused by her other boyfriends and then debased by TA, and when TA attempted to physically abuse her in the bathroom that day for dropping the camera poor poor Jodi just snapped. She then killed him enough for everybody or some such nonsense. MOO

 

[LadyEdith]

I agree, and once you see the complete transcription it makes it clear why we are still debating. As much as I wish he was solid and consistent during this testimony he was not. I would even say he formed some opinions at the end that contradict what he says in the beginning. A clear case of the Defense asking a question in 100 ways to get him going in a circle. I don't like that but it's part of their game.

So anyone that is firm that he drew conclusions and they are evidence and they were not guessing.. I suppose I would ask, are you referring to his conclusion in the first 15 minutes of testimony or the different conclusion toward the end when he changed his answer based on the same autopsy. I am transcribing more and hope she does not make an issue of that. That was pretty...well, not good.

Do you think JM has "helpers" who fact check during a long testimony like this? In case easily disproved lies are told, etc. he wouldn't have this help during a quick testimony and cross.

 

[LambChop]

the one 'lone wolf' can refuse to listen though. then we get the dreaded mistrial.

we had a case here once where a juror refused to deliberate. she'd cover her ears and sing when the others tried to talk to her. she laid on the floor, turned her back to the others, and did all kinds of crap. the foreperson told the judge and the judge made them continue to deliberate----mistrial!

my faith in the jury system has taken too many shots, especially recently. i PRAY there's not someone on that jury who believes her.

Couldn't the judge have replaced this person with an alternate? Seems to me this person was having a meltdown. They would have had to restart their deliberation but this person sounds as if she was unstable. jmo