Jodi Arias TAKES THE STAND #38 *may contain graphic and adult content*

[WhoaIsMe]

Wow, okay! How many people had scheduled to go? Was it pleasure? Business? Church related?

IIRC it was a sort of treat/bonus/award from PPL for several of their employees. I've never gotten the impression that it was business or a conference. I don't know how many were going.

 

[BritsKate]

I think she wanted to use the knife. Why else would she bring it? IMO the gun was part of premeditation to deflect suspicion and stage the scene as if there were two perps.

Even during her original interview (she wasn't there) she was talking up Travis's strength and the unlikelihood one person could over power him.


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Completely agree. I think after the crime, and even more in trial, there's a lot of evidence to support a very sadistic streak in Jodi.

As such, I tend to believe she most certainly wanted to use the knife, to inflict more pain. And really, the fact that knives were found in her car when the arrest warrant and subsequent search were executed shows she is comfortable with them, in my opinion.

 

[Callisto]

I believe this has been mentioned in the past, but on JA's youtube account, it says the account was created May 29, 2008... It only has 1 video upload, it was uploaded June 12, 2008 and it is a video of only TA, and it is in the category of "Comedy", it is a very goofy video of him performing or something some skit as a character "Eddie Snell" for PPL from what I understand..
[video=youtube;36hTqMtzLQQ]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=36hTqMtzLQQ[/video]

To me that is morbid, more than coincidental and ... bizarre? A few days before she goes on her trip to kill TA she creates this account, a week after someone she "loved" dies, not to mention KILLED and no one yet knows, she posts a video of only TA. She also I think posted a link to it on her Myspace blog because it has the same title in the blog but I can't view it I think it is private.
Also bizarre is the description for the video is "Eddie Snell's 30 second commercial promoting his latest entreprenuerial venture".. I understand some people post videos and remembrance of those who have past away so others can remember how they were but everything I have ever seen always will say something in a description in regards to the death, "Rest in Peace" or "I will miss you so much" blah blah etc.. Her upload acts as if he wasn't even deceased.

MOO!

 

[pinkie60]

do you think jodi went on a big diet to appear frail for the trial? she was heavier in the christmas singing video. i questioned her glasses, but maybe it's too hard to handle contact lenses in prison. she downplays her sexual nature bigtime. i saw on tv where some prisons encourage the females to keep up their appearance with hair and makeup claiming it's better if their self esteem is higher, idk about arizona. i'm anxiously waiting for tuesday.

 

[paperwing]

Hi everyone!

I had to take a break from JA for a bit (happy timing since the trial is on a 4 day break too). I just sort of got sick of her... I'm so angry at her and at having to wait so long to see Juan Martinez in action - plus my youngest is coming for Feb break (so jazzed!) and I'm getting ready for her. I've already warned her she may have to put up with me if JM starts his cross while she's here.

So I have to read back a bit and try to pick up on the conversation here so I can post coherently... well, as coherently as I'm able.

 

[Truth Detector]

She could have shot travis after stabbing him, as he may have fallen to the floor in a seated position. For all we know, the ear to ear throat slice may have been last. Maybe Jodi will tell us, if she remembers what she did, which I doubt she will remember.

From the murder photo taken with the washing machine camera, it is abundantly clear that significant loss of blood occurred subsequent to the throat slash.

Look again at the picture of Jodi with Travis's body on the floor. Notice the volume of blood which coursed down his neck and over his shoulder.

IMO, he was still alive but dying when this cut was made. His death was a rapid reality thereafter.

 

[WhoaIsMe]

I'm confused about when the trip to Cancun was. I've heard he was to leave the next day, but don't understand why the trip mates would have noticed right away he was not there.

And to be somewhat clearer, I believe one of the girls who found TA (Mimi?) was to be his guest on the Cancun trip and was worried because she hadn't heard from him.

 

[knt]

To bring up the pedophilia accusation again. This morning I googled "pedophilia pamphlets, and guess what? There is one, and it is printed by an organization that's trying to change the "image" of pedophilia. Yes, that's right, it's a pro-pedophilia group.

No one is going to print a pamphlet about treatment or "help" for pedophilia, because there is no treatment. It's a biological drive, not a "choice". No one decides to be a pedophile. There is no group that is going to print a pamphlet "helping" pedophiles, because it can be misinterpreted too easily.


There are almost no options for people who are pedophiles but do not want to act on it. I recently heard an interview with a person who has these drives, but a strong desire not to act on it. He considers suicide an option because there is no treatment. After doing his own research he discovered taking anti-androgens seriously depress the sex drive, and that is how he deals with the biological urge. He was calling in to the show to let others with the pedo urge know that taking these pills may help them from acting out their urges.

He also said his brother was also a pedo., acted on it, and killed himself.

Anyway, all that to say that Jodi has no idea what she is talking about, there are no pamphlets.

Before anyone accuses me of being pro-pedo, I'm not. I heard a radio program about it and am just relating what I heard. Pedo's need to be removed from any society where kids are present. I WISH there were a treatment for it.

Not that it matters, but just for accuracy... I believe JA said it was a pamphlet on mental health services, not pedophilia. She thought TA could call the mental health service number for discreet help with his "problem".

 

[StephanieHartPI]

Finally Juan up to bat. He sounds mad (a bit at the M.E.) now now JM, don't hurt him...


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Defense: And in discussing the scene photographs with Det. Flores, telling Det. Flores that the gunshot wound would not have completely incapacitated Mr Alexander?

ME: Again, I've been answering this question, I do not have any recollection of that. No.

Judge: Redirect

Prosecutor (JM): Sir...Sir, in terms of the seqencing of the wounds, do you remember having an interview with this individual with the glasses? (Pointing at Nurmi) Do you remember having an interview with him?

ME: Vaguely, I do remember the Defense interview...

Prosecutor (JM): (interrupting the answer) YOU were interviewed with regard to this case right? (excitement level rising, sounding agitated)

 

[Karmady]

I think gunshot first makes the state's case even stronger -- except for the fact that it contradicts the ME's testimony.

ITA. Which is why I'm wondering what will happen now that it's no longer relevant to DP eligibility, but remains relevant to premeditation. It seems the State cannot back off the stabbed first theory at this point without undermining the ME's credibility (hence the State's credibility). So I wonder whether the defense will change its tune about "shot first" now since they'll have the State's own expert backing them up on it.

 

[BritsKate]

MOO i think the jury even tho they might have sympathy for her, under the law, will not be able to excuse what she did. there is no evidence to support self defense. if she gets aquitted, they should let every woman in prison who murdered because of DV out.

Would you believe very few women whom are abused murder their abuser? According to just one study only 26% of women surveyed were physically abused by the man they murdered. Despite its statistical unlikelihood, it is almost routine as a defense in female-perpetrated intimate partner homicides though. Never fails to leave me :banghead:.

http://news.nationalpost.com/2012/1...ates-and-most-didnt-suffer-abuse-study-finds/

 

[paperwing]

And to be somewhat clearer, I believe one of the girls who found TA (Mimi?) was to be his guest on the Cancun trip and was worried because she hadn't heard from him.

Yes, Mimi and a girlfriend of hers went to Travis' house first (the 9th of June, 2008), and then alerted others in their efforts to get in.

Mimi was concerned because it was unlike Travis to not get in touch about their pending trip to Cancun. They were supposed to have left the following day, June 10.

So sad.

 

[LambChop]

I wonder why that wasn't brought in as evidence?

At the time it was not illegal and has nothing to do with her crime. I would think defense would try to keep it out. jmo

 

[Truth Detector]

We also did that, but only after pithing the frogs and injecting the mice with a neurotoxic chemical. I would have refused to perform a vivisection on any living thing that could feel pain!

But not if, like Jodi, your intent had been to inflict pain.

A more minor point: Given the LDS proscription regarding alcohol, was anything ever made of TA's not testing negative for it; i.e., "ETOH = 0.01g/%" ?

 

[spcagrl]

On the topic of shot in the shower......I looked again at the empty shower photo, the one taken after Travis was removed, so it's a crime scene photo. I will not post the photo but I hope you know which one I mean. Look at the area where his head was resting. There is a clean void where his head was. At first I thought I could see his profile along the left edge of that void, but I knew that could not be correct after seeing the phot of him in the shower deceased. But look carefully around the void. There are wipe marks in blood, as though someone wiped around his head without moving it, preserving the spot his head rested. I don't know what that means, but it had to have been wiped like that after she had rinsed the rest of him off. I guess it is possible that she did get in the shower to rinse him off, standing in that small clear corner, to the left and back of the stall. Even tho he was certainly dead, he may have been making some small movements or sound. I guess it is possible that she did then shoot him, and the small amount of blood or spatter she just wiped around his head. At first I thought he may have been able to move his head slightly back and forth but that would have erased the void his head rested in. (I posted this early this morning on the prior thread but it closed shortly after I posted and would really like to get some opinions on this, for those who are willing to find that pic and take a look)

 

[popsicle]

But not if, like Jodi, your intent had been to inflict pain.

A more minor point: Given the LDS proscription regarding alcohol, was anything ever made of TA's not testing negative; i.e., "ETOH = 0.01g/%".

That was consistent with decomp.

 

[StephanieHartPI]

Do you think JM has "helpers" who fact check during a long testimony like this? In case easily disproved lies are told, etc. he wouldn't have this help during a quick testimony and cross.

I know in these more modern days (not like my old court reporter machine when new stuff was just coming in) they have a system that shoots out a transcript pretty fast, and I'm not sure when they get it, but they could get a transcript of today maybe late tonight..

I have even seen a Court Reporter on break transcribe some if something unusual came up (and provide it to both sides) My guess is yes, his helpers in the court are doing their darnedest to listen and catch things and do the old fashioned note passing! Usually lean over and scribble on his yellow legal pad? that is common.. "hey JM ME contradicted ABCDE, bring it home man..."

and he will...he'll iron things right out when he gets up to do redirect...

Which he is doing here. i can hear it coming...

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Judge: Redirect

Prosecutor (JM): Sir...Sir, in terms of the seqencing of the wounds, do you remember having an interview with this individual with the glasses? (Pointing at Nurmi) Do you remember having an interview with him?

ME: Vaguely, I do remember the Defense interview...

Prosecutor (JM): (interrupting the answer) YOU were interviewed with regard to this case right? (excitement level rising, sounding agitated)
And you have a copy of that interview don't you?

ME: I do.

Prosecutor (JM): And you WERE asked about the sequencing of these injuries weren't you?

ME: Yes

Defense: OBJECTION, leading!
Judge: Sustained

Prosecutor (JM): Alright, did you talk to them about the sequencing of the injuries?

ME: Yes

Prosecutor (JM): And...and at anytime did you stop the interview and say "no I don't want to talk to you about the sequencing of the injuries"

ME: No (sounding quiet, almost defeated? or upset)

Prosecutor (JM): And...were you asked about the sequencing of the injuries?

ME: Yes

Prosecutor (JM): And what did you tell them about the interview that you had with THEM?

ME: I felt that the gunshot wound may have been last but at any event...um,
the gunshot wounds and the wounds to the neck would have had to have come after the defensive wounds of the hands.

Prosecutor (JM): And is that what you told us today?

ME: yes

Prosecutor (JM): Now sir with regard to procedure or the process that takes place when a body is brought in...

 

[Truth Detector]

Good point. We're all assuming the gun shot was either first or last. Maybe it was in the middle, right before the throat slash.

Many of us have assumed the GSW was neither first nor last.

I believe the upper back wounds were first. TA could not have been moving much when those were made -- taking him by surprise from behind -- because they are so close together.

They are not deep, IMO, because she intended to and did inflict so many wounds in rapid succession.

 

[LambChop]

But not if, like Jodi, your intent had been to inflict pain.

A more minor point: Given the LDS proscription regarding alcohol, was anything ever made of TA's not testing negative for it; i.e., "ETOH = 0.01g/%" ?

ME reported those amounts are contributed to decomposition and not from ingesting alcohol. jmo

 

[BritsKate]

The tire slashing has been sneaked in there by the prosecution several times in front of the jury. For example, in one of the taped calls between Jodi and Flores, Jodi tells him about the slashed tires and suggested that whoever did it may have been responsible for the murder.

IIRC the tire slashing was first brought up in testimony by Kirk Nurmi on Day One, cross of Marie Hall though.