Jodi Arias TAKES THE STAND #38 *may contain graphic and adult content*

[smeck]

I know there was a bloody palm print in the bathroom that was JA but was there any sign of her blood (from cut finger) noted anywhere else in the house?

 

[paperwing]

Back wounds I've always thought were done when he was mortally wounded crawling down the hall or by the sink

When I saw the accidentally public autopsy images posted to photobucket.

I saved them to my desktop. NO, I'm not a creep or a weirdo, I just assumed they would be taken down and I like to have facts at hand, both the ugly and the good. As we all know, testimony, especially the most recent, can be as reliable as a soap bubble, and it's just not that helpful to the fiercely interested in this case).

What struck me most (after the neck wound - which really changed my whole outlook on this case) were the stab wounds in the back.

I did go back and look at that photo again. I am convinced that Travis was absolutely not moving when those stab wounds were inflicted. I don't think the ME was ever asked that question. The 'group' seems so 'controlled', precise and all made at single angle with only a few, subtle variations.

I don't see how this could be done if Travis had been moving at all. That's my take on it, anyway.

Stabbing him in the back as he tries to flee is bad enough. Doing so when he is unable to do so is unimaginable.

 

[BritsKate]

Lisa Bloom article:

Domestic violence is a real, urgent problem in America. Victim’s rights and women’s advocates have struggled for decades to raise consciousness on the issue. And every time someone lies about being a battered woman, that work is undermined. Faking victimhood is shameful, a slap in the face to true victims.

Needless to say, I couldn't agree more.

http://nakedlaw.avvo.com/lisa-bloom/jodi-arias-faux-domestic-violence-victim.html

Cited from: Jodi Arias: Faux Domestic Violence Victim? | NakedLaw by Avvo.com
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[PenElaine]

Sorry if these two observations have already been addressed, but it is so hard to keep up with reading all of your insightful - and often hilarious! - posts.

Here are my two thoughts:
1) Jodi had six unaccounted hours in her trip from Mesa to meet Ryan in SLC. This assumes she waited to turn on her cell (and leave Travis a message & listen to his voicemails @ approx. 11:50 pm) until she reached Nevada. The trip from Las Vegas to Salt Lake is just under seven hours. I'm thinking she may have stayed with Gus in his "trailer" for those few hours to rest up for her trip to see Ryan.

2) I am CONVINCED that the phone sex call was taped for future purposes. Twice on the tape she asks him to repeat himself, both with the "12-year-old girl comment" and one other damning statement (which, sorry I can't recall at the moment but I'm sure someone else here will remember). In fact, it sounds like she turns off the "fake" moaning when she says "Like a what?"

Just MHO. Thanks for letting me chime in....

 

[Truth Detector]

Good stuff, LambChop --

If not yet in shock -- then surely he was stunned as his body tried to deal with his injuries. Somehow he made it to the sink -- early or late in the stream of things -- but by now, Jodi was surely in control. He couldn't have put up much of a fight after, as you say, the deep head wound from the knife and the shot to & through part of his frontal lobe, and possibly by then the fatal wound to his chest. He was losing blood, too. IMO, there's no way he could have actually been a threat to her.

This is when I would have turned & left, if I had been truly only defending myself. As soon as I had him in a position not to come after me or do me harm, I'd have been outta there. And if I did not mean to kill him, but only to defend myself, I would have found a way to call 911. Find a phone booth if I didn't want it traced to my phone -- OTOH, why would I have cared if I had been honestly defending myself against him?? And IMHO, her leaving the scene and the house without notifying EMS should be an offense, too. AZ has a Good Samaritan law -- it's on a list -- but I couldn't really interpret it...

Just thinkin'

I'll bet, like most non-murderers, if you were defending yourself, you'd have been screaming all the way, while getting out as quickly as possible before immediately calling 911.

Something tells me you wouldn't have continued on to Utah for your grinding date, wearing long sleeves in 100 degree heat with bandages on your hands and pretending that nothing ever happened, and that you had not been to Mesa.

 

[AZlawyer]

BBM - just to clarify, from the ME report, the exact verbiage was:

" ... without gross evidence of significant intracranial hemorrhage ... "

On page 4 of 8: http://cnninsession.files.wordpress.com/2012/10/redactedtravisautopsy.pdf

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So to me, it sounds as though there was some blood but perhaps not as much as the ME would have expected.

My ME qualifications: I have performed 2 autopsies ... er dissections ... one on a frog and one on a cow's eye.

My ME qualifications aren't much better, but you can add a fetal pig, a giant grasshopper, and 2 years of working on death penalty cases.

I didn't watch the ME's testimony, so someone tell me if this was cleared up by him. But my understanding is that the expectation of significant intracranial hemorrhage if the gunshot was first is dependent on the next significant wound not happening for some period of time--maybe a minute--to allow the blood to build up in there. If the gunshot happened first but was followed VERY QUICKLY by a stabbing wound that caused a LOT of blood to rush to the stabbing wound area, I think the intracranial blood would not be very much.

In layperson's terms, yes, you would expect a water balloon punctured at point 1 to leak a lot at point 1, but if it were punctured at point 2 immediately afterward, then not so much.

I just get a bit more of a feeling we shy away from gunshot first as it muddies up the prosecution. Which I don't agree with. I think they are good to go to the lethal injection room with any sequence they want. My gut feeling. I don't think the Defense is playing well to the Jury.

This is a rage killing, an over kill. I don't see a shred of evidence of self defense.

I agree. I don't think we can allow our opinion of whether or not the "gunshot first" helps the defense to influence our analysis of the physical evidence.

I think gunshot first makes the state's case even stronger -- except for the fact that it contradicts the ME's testimony.

ITA. IMO it knocks out the self defense theory if the first wound is a gunshot wound to the head while Travis is sitting in the shower.

And who cares if it means that she wanted (at the beginning) to make it "humane"? Obviously her little "humane killing" plan didn't work out, and as it turned out in reality, the murder was cruel, heinous and depraved.

 

[Morning Glory]

To bring up the pedophilia accusation again. ThisM morning I googled "pedophilia pamphlets, and guess what? There is one, and it is printed by an organization that's trying to change the "image" of pedophilia. Yes, that's right, it's a pro-pedophilia group.

No one is going to print a pamphlet about treatment or "help" for pedophilia, because there is no treatment. It's a biological drive, not a "choice". No one decides to be a pedophile. There is no group that is going to print a pamphlet "helping" pedophiles, because it can be misinterpreted too easily.


There are almost no options for people who are pedophiles but do not want to act on it. I recently heard an interview with a person who has these drives, but a strong desire not to act on it. He considers suicide an option because there is no treatment. After doing his own research he discovered taking anti-androgens seriously depress the sex drive, and that is how he deals with the biological urge. He was calling in to the show to let others with the pedo urge know that taking these pills may help them from acting out their urges.

He also said his brother was also a pedo., acted on it, and killed himself.

Anyway, all that to say that Jodi has no idea what she is talking about, there are no pamphlets.

Before anyone accuses me of being pro-pedo, I'm not. I heard a radio program about it and am just relating what I heard. Pedo's need to be removed from any society where kids are present. I WISH there were a treatment for it.

You're talking about Dan Savage's "Savage Lovecast" where on the FOLLOWING program he had an expert doctor from Canada on who specalizes in research, treatment and controlling symptoms. It's really worth a listen.

With regard to programs, I believe Jodi is full of it and is just making a stab in the dark after the fact but they do exist. I didn't find any in the 602 area code she referred to, but they do have private programs for mental illness and sex offenders there... there goes my internet history **facepalm**

 

[StephanieHartPI]

(Advil break)

Juan appears to be going for a sequence of "Cut to the throat first"
then she drags him. (like, the big cut though) So this is new to me...I shall continue with transcription and mint choc moose ice cream and an advil.

Juan is on the photo that shows her foot and his head and shoulder.. Indicating his arm is being lifted by Jodi to pull him backwards and due to gravity the blood is around the neck, slashed his throat, now dragging him and there is no chest or head wound in his opinion "yet".

 

[Truth Detector]

Correct. No reference to Abe whatsoever. Please refresh my memoy as to what purpose she was claiming the letter served and what patties she is claiming were involved. I caught the part where Juan was grilling her but missed the part just prior.

If I recall correctly, she was testifying that TA didn't want her hugging Abe at PPL events, especially in contemplation of their becoming -- in her words -- 'official'.

She claimed that Travis directed her to write Abe a note explaining that she was accountable to TA for remaining faithful and not conveying the 'wrong idea' to other men, by showing them public affection, etc. This was to paint TA as a controlling manipulator who psychologically imprisoned and possessed her as his personal sex slave -- so much so that she pretended to be little boys and girls, barely satisfying his nearly-insatiable deviant and perverse sexual appetites, so that he wouldn't act out on his 'pedophilic' predilections. :liar:

But I digress.

JA said that she was uncomfortable communicating the no-hug message to Abe, so she tried to soften the language such that it didn't sound unduly harsh.

I.e., more testibaloney.

 

[zoey]

Cannibalism is illegal in my state. :tmi:

Just want to say that when I stumbled on this post I thought what she tried to eat him? Did that happen when I wasn't paying attention???:what:

I blame my slowness on two hours of sleep over one of my dd and some "tough love"

 

[Truth Detector]

I am of the opinion that Jodi had been carrying a knife on her (purse, backpack, whatever) for quite some time; at least since the tire slashing incidents.

Do you realize how hard it would be to slash through tires, that would take some strength, IMO.

This gal got used to handling and using a knife for angry, revengeful purposes. No knives were missing from Travis, IIRC. Jodi had it on her for awhile by this point, IMO.

On the tire slashing, that is usually accomplished with a simple puncture to the sidewall. Little strength is required, especially if the blade is sharp. Though puncture to/through the tread portion of a tire can be inexpensively repaired, sidewall damage cannot.

TA had to replace his tires once JA engaged in her "psycho behaviors", as she phrased it on the stand last week, IIRC.

 

[Sustained]

My ME qualifications aren't much better, but you can add a fetal pig, a giant grasshopper, and 2 years of working on death penalty cases.

I didn't watch the ME's testimony, so someone tell me if this was cleared up by him. But my understanding is that the expectation of significant intracranial hemorrhage if the gunshot was first is dependent on the next significant wound not happening for some period of time--maybe a minute--to allow the blood to build up in there. If the gunshot happened first but was followed VERY QUICKLY by a stabbing wound that caused a LOT of blood to rush to the stabbing wound area, I think the intracranial blood would not be very much.

Excellent point - if the slice to the neck was shortly after the gunshot to the head and the major blood return vessel to the brain was severed, it's easy to see how there might be limited intercranial bleeding.

 

[popsicle]

Just want to say that when I stumbled on this post I thought what she tried to eat him? Did that happen when I wasn't paying attention???:what:

I blame my slowness on two hours of sleep over one of my dd and some "tough love"

OMG you guys crack me up! Sorry zoey, hope things are ok.

 

[MandyLeigh]

:furious: I would really love for the Mesa PD to haul Gus Searcy in. Claiming Jodi called him the night Travis was murdered and told him Travis is dead. What is wrong with him? Doesn't he understand that he had a legal duty to call the police if what he is saying is true? He has the nerve to complain that the prosecutor did not contact him but he should have been on the phone before a prosecutor was ever involved making a police report. That is something he could have done right over the phone. He did not need anyone to call him in order to give the information he held.

I know, it's probably not even true but I do not care. The law is the law and he should be held accountable when he opens his mouth and says such things. Imagine if it was true. Imagine what we might know had Travis been pulled from that shower 4 days earlier.

:moo: :moo: :moo: :moo: :moo: :moo:

 

[Truth Detector]

Just want to say that when I stumbled on this post I thought what she tried to eat him? Did that happen when I wasn't paying attention???:what:

I blame my slowness on two hours of sleep over one of my dd and some "tough love"

Slow day, so I'll ask you Zoey:

Is the snail kissing the rain cloud in your signature .gif or does it bump into and bounce off it?

 

[pinkie60]

On the tire slashing, that is usually accomplished with a simple puncture to the sidewall. Little strength is required, especially if the blade is sharp. Though puncture to/through the tread portion of a tire can be inexpensively repaired, sidewall damage cannot.

TA had to replace his tires once JA engaged in her "psycho behaviors", as she phrased it on the stand last week, IIRC.

she had 2 knives and a gun in her clothing when arrested. she had recently purchased a gun. (i thought she was broke) her mother said she had a gun hidden in a rental car and it was retrieved. which rental car was this? i know of only one she rented to go to mesa. was there another car? what was she going to do with these? the gun and knife used in the murder have never been recovered. so is it 2 additional guns she acquired? sorry so many questions.

 

[PASA]

I have a question for the gun enthusiasts. Can you see gun residue on your hands? How do you get it off? Do your hands smell like gunpowder?

When at the firing range I can smell gunpowder in the air. I don't see it on my hands nor do I smell it.

 

[pinkie60]

she had a long conversation with her mother on surveillance before being arrested. she must have told her mother about the gun she hid in the rental car and forgot about. i just wonder which rental car this was and the whole story behind it.

 

[Stolat]

I am of the opinion that Jodi had been carrying a knife on her (purse, backpack, whatever) for quite some time; at least since the tire slashing incidents.

Do you realize how hard it would be to slash through tires, that would take some strength, IMO.

This gal got used to handling and using a knife for angry, revengeful purposes. No knives were missing from Travis, IIRC. Jodi had it on her for awhile by this point, IMO.

What you say makes perfect sense about carrying the knife around - she obviously had one handy when she allegedly slashed the tires.

As to force required on the tires, that's interesting because I would have thought the same thing - except sadly enough I have to say I know a soccer mom who "lost it" in the parking lot of the legal offices where she and her soon to be filandering ex were battling it out and she slashed his tires. I don't condone her reaction and they caught her on surveillance and fined her and she ended up having to seek therapy. But I asked her how in the world did a small-framed woman inflict so much force. She said she she was furious and the adrenaline made it far simpler to carry out than she had expected. I hear a lot can be done when someone has adrenaline (good or bad) pumping through their system.

 

[LambChop]

she had 2 knives and a gun in her clothing when arrested. she had recently purchased a gun. (i thought she was broke) her mother said she had a gun hidden in a rental car and it was retrieved. which rental car was this? i know of only one she rented to go to mesa. was there another car? what was she going to do with these? the gun and knife used in the murder have never been recovered. so is it 2 additional guns she acquired? sorry so many questions.

Someone else rented the car and left it for her outside the house prior to LE getting there. She had talked with her mother the night before in her mother's car so it's a good guess who got her the car. jmo