jodi Arias TAKES THE STAND #50 *may contain graphic and adult content*

[Linda7NJ]

I think her attorneys know she is as stable as a grenade with the pin pulled. They know she won't listen to them because she thinks she is running this show. They are just grateful she hasn't done far worse on the stand than act arrogant. They have to worry constantly that she will lose it and let her fury fly in front of everyone.

IMO there is absolutely nothing about her to like. I think they're doing their job and are not emotionally invested in her at all. Jose Baez IMO actually grew fond of Casey, it showed and worked in her favor.


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[Pink Panther]

You see more of her than is shown on tv. Is she the same walking into the courtroom? Does she stand exactly the same every time, turn to the DT the same, etc?

Notice Travis' closet. Jodi is the one who cleaned it, right? I've never known Travis, but get the impression one of the reasons he was not completely averse to her being there was because of her meticulous house keeping. Even Jodi in direct said the 'little things' like housekeeping habits were a HUGE problem in a relationship.

He was meticulous. I'm inclined to believe that she was not. He lived in a nice, tidy, spacious and luxurious home - She came from the equivalent of a shack. Her bedroom at her Grandmother's isn't any bigger than where she is now.

Sorry. Don't mean to be mean or judgemental but I do think this has baring on her case.

 

[katiecoolady]

IMO - I think JA has a lot to do with her defense. I think what takes precedence for JA as much as her defense claims, if not more so is getting HER "story" out there, and what's important in her story is that TA was obsessed with her, and loved her, and was a duplicitous being, abusive, a liar, and also to throw those Travis loved under the bus… I am sure I am missing a lot, but my gist is she is pretty much projecting herself and onto him, and "outing" him to the world. the gist is also that this is her story, and she is a pathological evil liar. who knows what the truth really is? I cannot wait for JM to piece his puzzle together!!

I completely agree with your questioning… IMO, I think there is every possibility in the world that she is throwing someone Travis desired & liked under the bus. I think it is completely possible she was not supposed to be there when Deanna walked in and did what she did. Do you remember JA testifying that he did not want his bishop to know about their sex life because he had gotten into trouble with Deanna Reid? She just HAD TO slip that in there to toss Deanna under the bus, and the credibility of their relationship. It has nothing to do with her defense, it's JA's personal vendetta… She is the one who stated in the email: "I've never had to hide our friendship from anyone. Never. I would publish it in major newspapers nationwide, and broadcast it on syndicated radio and national television." She is doing that, but on her controlled terms.

I personally think JA was trying to frame Deanna in some aspect because the external drive that JA left there on the 6/4/08 was riddled with (false) accounts as if it belonged to Deanna Reid. Do I have that right? I may be totally confusing that info. I need to go back and listen to that bit of testimony.

Sorry - lol - I know your question was more Juanesque: "YES or NO", and not a Jodi-ism: talking-my-way-out-of-it.

:moo::moo:

Super interesting post. And that last line made me :floorlaugh:

 

[norest4thewicked]

Then my question is why would anyone compare the looks of Andrea Yates and Jodi on this thread if there wasn't more implication to the comparison. Just totally random -- like, gee, she looks a lot like my Aunt Jane? I wouldn't think so, so the comparison of their looks and being criminals of a certain type seemed obvious to me. Are you're saying you just chose Andrea Yates randomly from millions of both non-criminal and criminal women Jodi might resemble to compare her with, just 'cause you noticed a physical resemblance? I think she looks a little like Sandra Bullock, personally.

I certainly can't answer for anyone else on this, but my reason for the comparison was simple. I think that she resembles AY. I chose AY because she is another female that has long dark, straggly hair, glasses and was in a courtroom setting. Please don't try to make my comment into something it wasn't. You and I apparently don't feel the same way, but that's all good. I think she looks nothing like Sandra Bullock. But, seeing things differently is what makes the world go round. Don'tcha know?

 

[norest4thewicked]

Hey hey hey, I have a question.

How did you guys interpret her "Interview was GREAT!" comment in her Photography magazine coded message?

What interview? Hers? His? What was that about?

If it was before the 48 hours interview, maybe it was this. Maybe?

 

[katiecoolady]

Are you guys talking about the same Ablow that wrote the book on CA???
If I remember right, it was awful.

I had no idea about that...and that makes me really sad as I used to really like him.

 

[JusticeJunkie]

I agree--I thought she would be "sick" on first day of cross...but it would make more sense for to be "sick" Wed or Thurs next week...

When court was slightly delayed (remember we went from court activity to the seal and back again?), I thought for sure she pulled that.
Even when she got on the stand, I thought she would pretend to hyperventilate or faint or something - instead she foolishly took him on toe to toe.
I'm thinking now would be a more appropriate time for her to pull that knowing what she's up against.
GO JUAN!!

 

[Linda7NJ]

Okay I have a question: Whose the hornier sociopath Jodi or Casey....why?

Hmmmm tough one. Id have to say Jodi



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[Karmady]

I think it was rather obvious it was physical appearance. I agree with the other poster, she does look like her.


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Jodi resembles a LOT of people in her purely physical appearance. The only similarities between her and Andrea Yates are the hair color, glasses (sometimes) and bangs (sometimes). So her and about 10 million other woman resemble each other :::shrug:::

The similarities aren't exactly what I'd call "striking"

 

[TartLemon]

Did Jodi have other services done at the nails salon? Like waxing in prep for the Cancun trip she was 'planning'?

 

[mck16]

I didn't follow the Yates case intently, but if it's correct that she was completely mentally ill -- like massively mentally ill, then I don't think she's responsible for her actions to the same extent that Jodi would be. Nonetheless, to me the crime is FAR more horrific.

My problem has always been that if you chase your children through the house and catch them and then drown them, what difference does it make if you are crazy by the legal term of the law. You killed your children and that is it. And you deserve to die. That case was sickening and living in Texas we heard every gory detail. No excuse and no reason to give her any kind of forgiveness. I hated that she even went to prison and now she is out. OMG. JMO

 

[katiedid2]

I certainly can't answer for anyone else on this, but my reason for the comparison was simple. I think that she resembles AY. I chose AY because she is another female that has long dark, straggly hair, glasses and was in a courtroom setting. Please don't try to make my comment into something it wasn't. You and I apparently don't feel the same way, but that's all good. I think she looks nothing like Sandra Bullock. But, seeing things differently is what makes the world go round. Don'tcha know?

Waving at y'all
Can someone confirm that jodi signed the guest book! Or just rumor?? Please and thank you? In advancelease:lease:

 

[katydid23]

Maybe it's just me, but I can't even begin to compare a mother who personally drowned several of her own children to an adult killing a relationship (of whatever nature) partner -- especially based on how they "look"! Those two crimes aren't even in the same chapter of the book, imo.

However, Yates was clearly mentally ill. She did not kill out of jealousy or rage. She was mentally ill, and was in extreme need of professional treatment.

Arias, in comparison, was killing out of envy, greed, jealousy and lust. She slaughtered her victim in a brutal, torturous fashion, then tried to blame it on others.

Yates, on the other hand, called and confessed, then sat and waited for authorities. She had no hatred in her heart, she was just plain NUTS. I have compassion for her, because she was off her meds, and was sick.

I have no compassion for Jodi.

 

[norest4thewicked]

Can someone explain the circumstances of Travis and Jodi exchanging cars? Why were they exchanging cars and what does any of this mean?

I'm fuzzy on this part too.

 

[thefragile7393]

Well, I don't think I would sit in a room with Andrea, but I think I know what you are saying.

What I don't understand is how anyone can say JA is not mentally ill or crazy. Are we making a distinction between mentally ill and being possesed with the devil. Is there a distinction. I personally think there is. jmo

Andrea isn't going to kill you because you decided you don't want to be involved with her anymore. She is only a danger if you are her child and she is unmedicated and responding to her delusions and auditory hallucinations. SO no, the average person does not have a threat from her. Jodi can kill you anytime for doing something she does not like and feel not a shred of remorse.

The legal definition of insanity (in a nutshell) is not knowing right from wrong at the time a crime was committed. Andrea Yates was not properly cared for mentally and was really unable to care for herself mentally. She could not get proper treatment on her own volition. SHe slipped through the mental health system cracks many times and her own husband was completely clueless to the signs of how sick she really was. She felt, due to a brain chemical imbalance, that her children were being taken over by Satan and she had auditory hallucinations telling her that she was a horrible mother and if she continued to raise them they would burn in hell.

Jodi has been evaluated psychologically and psychiatrically and found to be sane. She knew right from wrong on the day she killed Travis. Oh sure her ideas of right and wrong are backwards, but she shows signs of knowing what she did was legally wrong when she voiced concerns about herself and how her life was over. She has no brain chemical imbalance telling her that she had to kill Travis for xyz reasons. She knew clearly what she was doing that day.

Andrea Yates was found to been suffering horribly on that horrible day she killed her children, Post Partum Psychosis being one of many diagnoses. She was sentenced to live for the rest of her life in a state hospital. She gets her meds and therapy and is able to have a somewhat stable life. However she will never see life outside a hospital. This is where she should be. She is not capable of taking care of herself at all.

There are no meds to treat Jodi. Jodi is not mentally ill in the chemically imbalanced sense. She has mental issues sure, but not treatable by meds. Now she very obviously (IMO, since I am not a professional treating her or a licensed professional at all) has Axis II (Cluster B's) personality disorder(s) of some sort

http://behavenet.com/personality-disorder

A therapist can work with someone who solely has these but they are very very difficult to work with...because again it is something wrong in her personality, not her brain chemicals. The personality is the particular combination of emotional, attitudinal, and behavioral response patterns of an individual.

Jodi has no qualms about hurting anyone that wrongs her. She is far more of a danger than someone like Andrea Yates ever could be, because she knows exactly what she is doing, enjoys doing it, and would more than likely do it again if she could.
SO yeah, you can be sane and commit horrible crimes.

 

[katiecoolady]

Did Jodi have other services done at the nails salon? Like waxing in prep for the Cancun trip she was 'planning'?

More like having her hair dyed.

 

[paperwing]

I've read through as many pages as I could here - it looks like I'm not the only one picking apart JA's rendition of what happened June 4th and having it not work at all.

I wish I had the skills to create a 3D recreation that shows her movements and his (supposed) movements all to scale within the hall/rooms - and follow her account of things like "I ran down the hall" - I have a hall the same length, with a similar layout (angled door on one end) and it would take maybe a second and a half to get from being on the floor to the opposite end - especially if running for you life.

She says she is more IN the bathroom than Travis (she's by the tub, he's in the shower which is closer to the bedroom door - and out).

She drops the camera, from her crouched position (?) or waist high - how is she showing photos to Travis (who's in a running shower) while taking great care to keep the camera from getting wet(?), didn't break it, obviously - and he gets out of the shower (soaking wet and naked), lifts her up by the tub area - and slams her to the tile on the bathroom floor.

She rolls, gets up, runs down the hall (not into the closet via the door next to the shower) and can HEAR Travis running after her. That 'chase scene' would be so momentary... a running adult making maybe 2 - tops 3 - strides to reach the other end.

So she gets to the end of the hall and runs into the closet at the bedroom end - when the bedroom door leading out of the house is nearly equidistant - but a left turn instead of a right into the closet. She closes the door behind her, intending 'to run through the opposite end' (her testimony) - which would be through the door leading into the bathroom... no outlet - no door to the outside in the bathroom. And Travis is either back in the bathroom or could be in a split second. And she'd be cornered. My bet is there aren't locks on the closet doors - and she didn't say she locked the door just shut it. No lock on our walk-in closet (different layout, but similarly made home, so I don't know about locks).

She says, "As soon I got in there [the closet], I began to run" - the closet is shorter than the hall, which at it's longest measure is about 12'. Add the shelving and angled doors on either end of the closet, and you're talking about a floor area about 8-9'. How do you 'begin' running in such a small space? Oh! To get the gun on the very top shelf on the wall of the closet closest to the shower.

And then she runs out "the other door" (her testimony) - not sure which is the 'other' at this point... other than the one she went in (bedroom side) would be through the door that opens into the bathroom. Or does "the other door" mean something else? Whichever door, she ran out as he was opening the door - and the 'chase' is on again... so she turns around and points the gun at him so he'd stop. He's still completely wet and naked - apparently too full of rage to see if his camera works. (sigh).

What is Travis doing all this time? Just pacing in the hall - waiting for her? Banging on the bedroom-closet door? Or the 'other' closet door?

Nurmi says, "You told us you grabbed the gun and got OUT through the closet." "Yes." Didn't think she shot him, just that he was mad because the gun discharged "went off" accidentally. BuII. Even if this was the scenario and he was shot first during this closet-hall-closet chase scene, he was shot in the temple and she would have noticed because he would have bled profusely, I believe. Contrary to the ME's findings.

And then fade to black - no memory of stabbing Travis, dragging him, nothing.

She 'wakes up' in the desert with blood all over her hands.

No. She could not have gotten through the house (doors, run the dishwasher, washing machine, or move through the house leaving NO blood evidence (except a minute amount on the washer). I don't believe this. She had to have washed before she left the house. Period.

It just doesn't seem to work in this world and it's rules of physics, time, reason, forensics, (thanks to our firearms-knowledgeable WSers) weapon 'behaviour' and common sense to name a few.

A 3D rendition of her explanation would be awesome, I think it would really illustrate how what she said simply wouldn't work and didn't happen as she claims.

What is so unbelievable is just how many scenarios there are within this crime that are just as disjointed and not credible. Just stunning.

I'd say 'you can't make this stuff up' but actually, that's ALL that can be done with JA's set of 'facts', because you certainly can't make them fit reality on any meaningful level... not imv.

 

[callyn]

Didn't like either of them.

Years ago who was the long haired cowboy attorney that always wore fringe? He was a character, but I liked him.


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Gerry Spence? I like him too.

 

[panthera]

Speaking about the closet, I wonder if she could have reached that gun without a chair? Also if Travis could reach it without a chair or something? Most people keep their gun in a place that they can reach right away if there is a problem.

If we are to believe the gun was actually put on that shelf, no, I do not believe she could reach it without standing on something. Actually it is most likely just another of her fabrications to explain where the gun came from. I don't believe it was ever in the closet.

MOO

 

[Pink Panther]

i was in the courtroom when andrea yates walked in for the first day of her first trial, and the sadness just radiated off her. i can't even describe it to you. it almost made me gasp. she looked pitiful, sick and blank. i don't believe she's evil. i do believe she's delusional and schizophrenic (or she was then) and should NEVER have been left alone with those children.

i think seeing jodi must give a totally different feeling. i think the hair on my arms would stand up.

Sorry. I just can't subscribe. She killed five children and somehow, one should find empathy? Because she's "ill"? She's definitely "ill". I'll agree to that. "The sadness that radiated off her"? Ah, sorry...But my sympathies are for the lives that her children didn't get a chance to live...
pfft
moo