jodi Arias TAKES THE STAND #51 *may contain graphic and adult content*

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  • #781
:banghead: She already had one!?

I do do do want to know and look forward to why she returned to Daryl's (has me shakin' like a che wah wah!!!!!!!) ok......let me try to spell correctly for those dog owners.....Chehauhau? obviously, I'm not on spell check here!
:banghead:Yes, she had her grandpa's gun which was "stolen", but murdering Travis with the same caliber gun (as her grandpa's stolen one) would be very hinky to police. I think she wanted to use Matt's gun to kill Travis and she went to his house to take it.
 
  • #782
Who knows? Maybe. Not so far off the beaten path given that this guy has stated outright that he would lie for her on the stand. I still cannot get my head around anyone saying they would lie to cover up an alleged murderer who admitted to killing someone! This guy has a family! What on earth could she have on him that he would be so stupid?

moo

To be honest (isnt' that what liars say????? :floorlaugh: ) I now have learned that is 100% way to never be called as a witness by EITHER SIDE!@
 
  • #783
bbm~

Right. Something that would stick out in his mind as unusual. Why would you want to give your alibi a reason to remember your weird behavior?

It's funny--I keep thinking this was almost the perfect crime, but the more I look at it, maybe not so perfect, after all. Just a little too much was taken for granted...

moo
 
  • #784
I tried to like DB, and did SOME, but stepping down from a management job so you could sleep with a girl just doesn't seem very responsible for someone with a son to support.
 
  • #785
Maybe to show it was a spur of the moment decision to visit Travis if she's caught, and to confuse the timing issue if she's not?

She could have called Ryan back at any time in those 24 hours to let him know she was going to be late. She did not do that. She left Ryan hanging and worried.


Or, maybe she expected to be in and out of Travis house much quicker than she was?

I wonder if she did plan to be in and out at first. The way she told it to Nurmi about standing there in his office for about a minute just watching him without saying anything gave me the heebies. She may decided to postpone or changed her mind, and changed back later when he didn't behave as she wanted.
 
  • #786
I have always found it hard to believe that JA would have shot TA in the head in order to “finish him off”.
I believe JA went to Mesa to kill TA and she carried a gun and a knife or knives with her.

JA had to choose a time to kill TA; that is, she was waiting for an opportunity.
One candidate would have been tying up TA during sex.
JA sagaciously thought about “offing him “ in the shower. So JA dressed packed and got her weapons in place ie into pants pockets and then posed as the “shower photographer”. She lured him into a vulnerable position while in the shower.

Diversion=
TA was physically larger more agile than JA. TA was athletic – a wrestler. So a direct attack at him would likely have been problematic and uncertain. If JA had attacked TA and failed the entire enterprise would have ended in a disaster.

If JA had access to both a gun and a knife why in the world would she use a knife to initiate an attack on a victim that was both larger and stronger than she was?? Even with the element of surprise an opening knife thrust to the chest or body would have been very very RISKY.

It makes NO sense.

Given a choice of weapons you merely pull out a gun and shoot TA in the head FIRST. With this lethal wound, normally you would be done with it and the murder completed inside the shower stall. Unfortunately JA did not aim correctly and did not kill him with the first shot. The head shot did not render him unconscious.
(I maintain the shell casing was disturbed and moved from its initial resting place during the ensuing melee)


IMPROBABLILITY OF SHOOT LAST

JA successfully plunges a knife into TA chest and back over 20 times. Then because TA still would not die JA straddles him; pulls his neck up and slices his throat open with a single stroke from TA left to right.
He exsanguinates over a minute or so.
The scene is horrendously bloody. The effort needed to kill him was vastly underestimated. TA 185 lbs body is lying bloodied in the bedroom. JA needs to pick up the corpse by the shoulders and drag him some 5 yards back into the bathroom. This scenario has complicated her clean kill and escape fantasy.

JA manages to get the corpse back into the bathroom. WHY, oh, WHY would you take out a gun to finish him off – since he was already very much dead? JA ‘s interests were to kill him and quickly get on the road towards SLC.

Makes NO SENSE.

JA hands and fingers were saturated with slippery blood. Why take out a gun, 🤬🤬🤬🤬 it, and shoot with slippery hands??? By this time JA was certainly in a state of panic. She had a bloody mess to attend to PLUS she had to insure that there was NOTHING implicating her or “putting JA at the crime scene”. Why do something gratuitous devoid of any value?

The shot first scenario has always made much more sense to me as well. But after reading the ME report again, the ME's testimony, and some additional explanations over on the 'sequence of events' thread, I am now having a difficult time reconciling that information with a "shot first" scenario.
Let's just say that regarding this issue, I am now in somewhat of a quandary. :sigh:
 
  • #787
bbm~

Right. Something that would stick out in his mind as unusual. Why would you want to give your alibi a reason to remember your weird behavior?

I think things did not exactly go according to plan for Jodi - maybe because the roommate came home in the afternoon; maybe because they fell asleep for longer than she planned, or maybe because Travis delayed taking his shower. I think she planned to be out of Travis' house much earlier and could have explained better to Ryan why she was late.
 
  • #788
Hmm. Wasn't Matt staying with his parents ?

I have a hinky feeling that he fibbed and went to his parents with a friend for back up!
I think he knew she was off her rocker!!!
No way was he sleeping with her alone.
I also think the abuse/rape was a trend she had to
make guys do what she wanted.

SERIOUSLY did he need a chaperone with her?

Oh my WalMart carries Tolberone.
:)
 
  • #789
I wonder if she did plan to be in and out at first. The way she told it to Nurmi about standing there in his office for about a minute just watching him without saying anything gave me the heebies. She may decided to postpone or changed her mind, and changed back later when he didn't behave as she wanted.
ITA. At the last minute, she decided to try to manipulate Travis again with more sex so he would take her to Cancun.
 
  • #790
Hmm. Wasn't Matt staying with his parents ?

I have a kinky feeling that he fibbed and went to his parents with a friend for back up!
I think he knew she was off her rocker!!!
No way was he sleeping with her alone.
I also think the abuse/rape was a trend she had to
make guys do what she wanted.

SERIOUSLY did he need a chaperone with her?

Oh my WalMart carries Tolberone.
:)

Good point. She had recently called him out of the blue, asked about his gun, and told him she was having suicidal ideations. This is spooky behavior, but I don't know if Matt had the intelligence to understand the danger.
 
  • #791
court-photo.jpg

hmmm..has anyone ever noticed the time stamp here in this shower pic?...its time stamped at 1:27pm..then if you notice the nude pics of both she and Travis on his bed are time stamped BEGINNING at 1:44pm..

so, how exactly could it be that all these photos of Travis in the shower are TAKEN PRIOR TO the nude pics on bed meaning the shower time precedes the nude on the bed pics...that doesn't make sense ..have y'all already discussed this strange factor?..probably something simple I'm just missing, tho..

I'm not following your obvious humor................as it shows :24 clear as day. :banghead: I hate it when I miss the point!
 
  • #792
I found that odd. She had broken up with Darryl, and yet was going to visit his sister? Maybe it's me, but I was never friends with my ex's after we broke up. Unless she was a good friend, why visit her? And because she didn't return her phone call until the next day, it hints to me that they probably weren't that close. I think it was just an excuse to make her way down to Mesa (and an excuse for all that sleeping on the road).

Does anyone else notice how much she mentions the word SLEEP? That girl sleeps everywhere - even in her text. "Oh, I was so tired, I pulled over to sleep". When I got to Travis's I was so tired, I went to sleep. Didn't she even sleep at Ryan's house (something about waking up before the movie was over)?

Now I can honestly say that in the last 15 years, I slept in my car once. And that was when I arrived to a movie too early and dozed off in my car. But did this girl ever sleep in a bed that was her own? She even slept on the floor at one dude's house (can't remember his name).

But she seems to sleep A LOT.

MOO

Mel

'Sleeping' sounds better than stalking/plotting revenge/scamming.
 
  • #793
It's funny--I keep thinking this was almost the perfect crime, but the more I look at it, maybe not so perfect, after all. Just a little too much was taken for granted...

moo

I politely disagree! I think this was a super sloppy crime!! She left pictures, hair, a palm print and then lied to authorities, declined to see a lawyer before giving countless hours of interrogation responses, eventually did several media interviews and ruins her defense more and more every day. She's full of hate and evil but she is a REAL dumb criminal.
JMO :)

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  • #794
maybe the strap on the body bug thingy wasn't long enough or secure enough so he used duct tape to keep it on better?

I wonder if it really was a body bug.With him only being up since 12 or 1ish, how many calories would he have consumed with all the sex and pics taken.
Just thinking out loud on that thought...:waitasec:
 
  • #795
I missed the doggy style pic! LOL I must of missed all of the naked ones besides the 2 of each of them on the bed. sounds like it was a blessing LOL.

You were indeed blessed ...

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  • #796
I'm not following your obvious humor................as it shows :24 clear as day. :banghead: I hate it when I miss the point!

The :24 is seconds... it's 0?:22:24 pm


:( I just read the Wiki link about Travis.
His mom's name was Pamela Elizabeth so is mine....
:cry:
 
  • #797
yeah she even had the ballz to ask him if she could get back in the house because she left a few "belongings" there!

She was certain that she could charm the detective (and/or seduce him) and alleviate the pesky problem of being the number one suspect in a brutal murder.
 
  • #798
I'm not following your obvious humor................as it shows :24 clear as day. :banghead: I hate it when I miss the point!

The timestamp is hh:mm:ss

The :24 visible are the seconds.
 
  • #799
I have to ask.
You do not have to answer me if you'd rather not .
You had a shotgun in your face.

If some psycho witch that you were trying like
He!! to dump pointed a .25 at you....
2-3 feet away do you think you would comply or
would you take you chances at disarming her by rushing her?


I dunno... If he was shot first and not incapacitated
how did he end up at the sink? Sure seems to me like we'd have a very different ending.
We are talking about 62 seconds here.
In light of all the blood at the sink I cannot see hoe he was

I'm behind posts now because of the Academy Awards lol
But I do want to address your post. My answer is I would be TAKING
CHANCES to save my life.
This has bothered me from the beginning but some people say she caught
him off guard.
So my answer would be yes! Try anything to save my life!
 
  • #800
court-photo.jpg

hmmm..has anyone ever noticed the time stamp here in this shower pic?...its time stamped at 1:27pm..then if you notice the nude pics of both she and Travis on his bed are time stamped BEGINNING at 1:44pm..

so, how exactly could it be that all these photos of Travis in the shower are TAKEN PRIOR TO the nude pics on bed meaning the shower time precedes the nude on the bed pics...that doesn't make sense ..have y'all already discussed this strange factor?..probably something simple I'm just missing, tho..

That time stamp is difficult to read. I went back though and checked and it is actually 5:22:24. :)
 
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