jodi arias TAKES THE STAND #64 *may contain graphic and adult content*

[beldon]

Just a comment about JA's performance yesterday at the end of cross when she was hiding under her hair and sobbing so = LIAR.

Watching the small live stream, I really couldn't tell if she was really crying, but watching it on a large screen at home last night, I could clearly see there were absolutely NO tears. If she had been crying as she was attempting to show, her face would have been dripping wet, but her face was clearly dry. I don't think crying is in JA's nature and she wouldn't cry, especially in front of an audience, because her makeup would have run and she would not have let her make up run or wear off with out knowing Mr. DeMille was there ready to give her an new application.

She knows she's fighting for her life and has no doubt been told by her lawyers (and common sense backs that up) that she needs the jury's sympathy. If she'd had tears, she'd have been pulling that hair back and showing them - see? Im crying!!

No tears, no remorse, no soul

 

[nursebeeme]

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[katiedid2]

I thought that, too, but Juan made it clear yesterday his feet were towards the bathroom???
I'm confused.

I've e seen a pic and may have a clear pic of her dragging him with a sheet. I wondered before how she could have. Dragged him into the bath tub. Only recently did I hear that it was the shower! Which would have made it easier to stuff him into the tub.

 

[sleuth21]

Something that bothers me about her story, and of course it's a nearly moot point given all the evidence, but the alleged response of TA to the dropped camera doesn't fit. He never picks up his camera to see if it's damaged from a relatively short drop? He leaves it on the bathroom floor to get kicked around in a scuffle and instead assaults JA straight out of the gate? Even with her few alleged incidents of him loosing it, it just seems like he would have checked the camera for damage first.

But I guess it doesn't matter. I'm convinced she actually threw the camera down at the moment she began her blitz attack.

But still. Her best story still doesn't seem to fit with this man who buys her Cinnabons and helps her figure out who was at fault for ruining the BMW rather than berating her for it.

 

[kscornfed]

I hate to even type these words, but do you think that's where she is about to slit Travis's poor throat?
OMG - that makes me sick to think of.
ETA - I guess it's already slit in that pic.

maybe she just has hold of his arm and is getting ready to get him back into the bathroom. we know that's where he was when she cut his throat so that would make sense too. there's just so much we'll never know even though this is the closest thing to having a murder captured on film i've ever seen.

 

[Boodles]

re: the casing - I was listening to day 2 because I originally missed it and going by Nurmi's questions to Dt. Flores, I wonder if DET is going to claim the casing was kicked onto the blood AFTER the event by the friends who found T. I'm sure JM has it covered but it just struck me that they might go there ...

I think it's possible that in all the panic when TA was found, the casing could have been inadvertently hit with a shoe and moved to a secondary place. Who would have noticed a casing among all the blood pools all over the place? The blood would have been dried (at least somewhat) by the time he was found, so it could have landed on top of a pool of blood.

So based on the casing's position on the blood, either case could be made, that the shot was first or last, because the casing may or may not have been moved.

 

[katiedid2]

Has the actual crime been created someplace around here? Im still truing to liece the working theory together. Was he shaving at the sink when she first stabbed him? Did she stab him in the shower first? What are the actual sequence of events concerning the actual murder.

I'm curious about that also
Could you contact me with the answer if you find out
Thank you
Kindly

 

[KMouse]

Speaking of glass I have a question! A glass was mentioned by juan yesterday! What was the significance?
Tia

In the shower with Travis' dead body was a plastic cup/glass. We have speculated on here it was used to wash Jodi off of Travis' body. His body was washed after being placed in the shower stall.

The significance is that Jodi said she was in a fog after the gunshot and until she came out of her fog as she was driving in the desert. If she was in a fog she shouldn't remember the glass at all and have no idea what Juan is asking about.

 

[atthelake]

She proved to us yesterday that the gun did not come first. The gun would have been pointed from behind him towards the temple with the gun angled downward. Jodi claims he was coming at her when the gun went off. Plus where she claims she was, if she shot him it wouldn't it have been his left temple.

She was trying her best to show that she being LEFT handed, the bullet would have entered his right temple. Then again, he got her to say she was using BOTH hands to shoot, so even more off! jmo *envisioning those lasers they use on CSI for trajectory saying NOT!* :truce:

 

[BritsKate]

For me it boils down to free will and a Creator who does not want fear controlled pets. It doesn't make what happened to Travis Alexander any more easier to accept.

Just jumping off your post...
There was a long time I lamented myself falling victim to a psychopath and forever tying myself to him through our children. It took me years to see a larger picture form. Now, I volunteer and voice my accounts to anyone who will listen because what I went through isn't in vain. I can help people recognize signs before they themselves fall prey to a predator. I'm also living, breathing proof there's life after abuse too.

Travis' death won't be in vain. Every psychopath survivor's forum and chatroom I frequent speak of him as a victim and Jodi as a perpetrator of abuse. People will see similarities in people they know to Jodi...and even though he was so tragically taken from so many who love him I am absolutely positive he will save so many people from a similar fate in just having his story told.

Travis' death throws a lot of outdated misconceptions about abuse and female perpetrated violence out the window. So many people just here have voiced how much their view of both Jodi and Travis have changed since day one. We'll all carry that with us, pay it forward, and somewhere because of that there will be another young man who isn't afraid to speak out, who doesn't fear contacting police, who has learned to trust his gut and say no to a second date.

There will always be violence and always victims. But I am utterly convinced it is never without a greater plan we may not always see, regardless of religion, a giant jigsaw each of us adds pieces to. We become their voice.

Now, I'll step off the soapbox of the eternal optimist. :blushing: Apparently Minecraft is indeed essential to my son's survival.

 

[Stolat]

Think of yourself when you are done taking a shower. Get out, step onto the mat, grab towel and start drying and/or wrapping yourself in a towel. If you start with your hair/face you wouldn't see what is coming such as a crazy woman with a knife.

Yes, exactly. I did think of exactly that.

And at no time that I've done that has there ever been another person standing on other side of the glass door taking photos of me.

And it's clear that in at least one photo - he clearly is aware she is there and likely alarmed at that point.

*And* at the point the camera drops the door is pictured as still closed. Juan pointed that out.

How did it get opened?

 

[Sistah Sleuth]

One of our smart websleuths pointed out that the drop of blood in the background of the dragging photo was the drop found on the shower. This came up on cross and JA said yes, it was the shower.

That changes my whole perception of where these events took place-- I never could understand how he could raise his own head with his neck cut all the way to the spine. That photo looks to me like she is dragging him with his left arm and he is on his back, holding his own head up. The copious blood flow could be from the horrific deep neck/head wounds. Had he already had his throat cut, his muscles would be severed, right?

If he is still alive and she is photographed dragging him away from the shower, maybe she had just picked up his arm and was swinging him around so she could stuff him in the shower and continue on with her perfect plan.

She ran out of time for her whole plan to go the way she visualized it over and over and over as she was driving.

Wouldnt it be hard for her to drag a body of 180 lbs of dead weight all by herself?

 

[manzana]

Wouldn't the glass have steamed up a bit, I doubt he was taking a cold shower.

Phoenix in June!

 

[anagrammy]

OK - that all is just creepy

I know nothing of Mormon doctrine or that there are "acceptable" ways to die

On your point about the gun - how do you explain that the *only* shell casing landed on top of a pool of blood that was already there? That does not support the notion that the bullet caused the first wound.

First of all keep in mind that most Mormons today know little or nothing about blood atonement and it is certainly not taught today in mainstream Mormonism.

Our WS poster said that the bullet casing could have been knocked around quite a bit in the struggle, plus the shower was still on and we know from the paper box that there was enough water on the floor to have washed blood off the casing.

That made sense to me, but I'm open because factoids are coming out every day that shed more and more light on this scene from hell.

 

[Linda From New York]

who runs at someone with their head turned sideways??!!!!

comical!!!!

Well, she had to do the head turn thing, coz how else was she going to reconcile that he was shot on the side of the head (temple?). :what:

And what linebacker looks like the flying nun or looks like he is going to do a swan dive. And what linebacker doesn't bend at the knees? :what:

Such a ridiculous "story" the psycho came up with.

That's our girl!

:seeya::jail:

 

[kscornfed]

Something that bothers me about her story, and of course it's a nearly moot point given all the evidence, but the alleged response of TA to the dropped camera doesn't fit. He never picks up his camera to see if it's damaged from a relatively short drop? He leaves it on the bathroom floor to get kicked around in a scuffle and instead assaults JA straight out of the gate? Even with her few alleged incidents of him loosing it, it just seems like he would have checked the camera for damage first.

But I guess it doesn't matter. I'm convinced she actually threw the camera down at the moment she began her blitz attack.

But still. Her best story still doesn't seem to fit with this man who buys her Cinnabons and helps her figure out who was at fault for ruining the BMW rather than berating her for it.

i'm still trying to figure out how this camera hit the mat, then bounced a couple of times before it came to rest when she says she was KNEELING.

is it a rubber camera?

 

[robc]

In testimony when JM showed Jodi the evidence photo of the shell casing in the blood, she denied it was the shell casing she shot. I thought that was interesting. Wondered why JM didn't ask her how she knew that.

sorry if someone already responded, but I don't think she denied it was the shell casing she shot. JM asked her how, if there was no blood in the bathroom before she shot travis, the shell casing landed on top of a pool of blood. she denied it landed on the pool of blood. (despite the photo). presumably the defense could just say it was kicked onto the blood at some later point.

 

[moonbird]

Wouldnt it be hard for her to drag a body of 180 lbs of dead weight all by herself?

it would be easy to drag his naked body over slick tile. there was water and blood everywhere.

 

[Sistah Sleuth]

I'm curious about that also
Could you contact me with the answer if you find out
Thank you
Kindly

Sure!

 

[Dmacky]

i'm glad to know i wasn't the only person to have that picture turned around. that's what i thought too.

since we now know she was standing on the carpet and his feet are pointing towards the bathroom, i have another idea. his arm's up because he's not quite dead yet and she's not dragging him at all.

Or, just maybe she was turning his body around so she could put her arms under his and drag him back to the shower?