jodi arias TAKES THE STAND #66 *may contain graphic and adult content*

[legalmania]

Gun vs my life? Depends on how vulnerable of situation I was in. TA had a bed and what pillows & rug mat slippers to defend himself. Not having a gun, a .25 himself or any gun for that matter, I think he'd size up the situation & Jodi's state of mind.

She could of gained her control with that gun during the whole photo sex shoot and Travis' murder.

Evil evil at it's worst.

Arizona has the "stand your ground law" so I think the problem may be if she felt threatened in any way she could defend herself. How did she know there was a gun there? After she shot him why did she feel she had to stab him 29 times and then slit his throat? Was she standing her ground or was this overkill? The ironic thing is the Travon Martin case is coming soon to address this very subject.

 

[paperwing]

Wonder if her grandpa did any target shoting practice? Could do some ballistics for proof of weapon idenity.

Doesn't seem like the type of weapon for target practice... but I don't know.

I'd like to know if they (at least) found out the brand of ammo he had for it (if he had any) and if that matched the casing that was found at Travis'. If it was the same brand at least it would be something. We don't even know if any ammo was stolen with the little gun...

We don't know if Grandpa would be forthcoming or not about that pistol... I know AZ gun laws are about as lax as they can be, I don't know about CA, though, or how any history on the gun would be helpful.

And unfortunately, since JA didn't submit her SD defense until 2 years later, the shelf that supposedly held 'Travis' gun' was likely never analyzed for dust outlines, fingerprints, traces of oil... Wait - what am I saying??? There was no bloody gun there. I'm losing my mind.

JA 'may' have put her gun in his closet to have it close at hand, but I don't believe that to be true. That would've been a huge risk - not having it in hand or on her person and easy to get at - with Travis being bigger and stronger than her. She could have provoked him and given him time to get the gun away from her if she hid it (in the closet). She was armed. Period. With a dinky gun and a very, very, very sharp, strong knife.

Dammit.

 

[gngr~snap]

I am really confused about the roommates. I haven't heard much about them. Were any of them there from 4am to 6pm, or any part thereof? I think it odd that not much has been said about them. They lived with him after all.

From what I gather they were "tenants" not close friends that partiers together or ran in the same circles.
They all kinda did their own thing.
I do not think they reported to or checked in on each other.

Travis usually made arrangements for Napoleon buy bringing in a pet sitter.
I believe the girlfriend of one of them did feed him and care for him when she was there.

I don't think they ever even had a clue anything was amiss .

 

[minor4th]

Just listening to some of Jodi's testimony. She says that telling Flores that Travis didn't have a gun was a calculated statement, but Juan doesn't give her an opportunity to spin whatever lie she has in mind. I wonder what her story is going to be for telling Flores that Travis didn't have a gun.

 

[Whisperer]

I think the reason Travis changed so often and told her she was pretty,etc.. was because it was a way to keep her happy. When you are involved with this type, you quickly learn how to unarm them. Telling her how pretty she was and saying he loved her kept her happy and him alive. At some point, albeit subconsciously, he figured this out.

 

[gngr~snap]

Wasn't Travis' roommate there when she got there that night?

He was probably asleep and did not see her.
I never believed she got there at 4am but since she knew Travis
was on the computer and knew what Video he was watching I guess she did.

One room mate returned from like 2-3pm or was it 3-4pm.
It left her a small window of time to attack him.

 

[paperwing]

Arizona has the "stand your ground law" so I think the problem may be if she felt threaded in any way she could defend herself. How did she know there was a gun there? After she shot him why did she feel she had to stab him 29 times and then slit his throat? Was she standing her ground or was this overkill? The ironic thing is the Travon Martin case is coming soon to address this very subject.

Yes - no duty to retreat. If this SYG rule applied to anyone, it would be Travis, no JA. She entered his home with the intention, or likely intention to kill him. She was armed.

Even if Travis had attacked her first, she certainly didn't respond with like force - which seems to me made her the aggressor by default. And she loses any shred of SD with 9-10 stab wounds in his back.

jmv. (I know you know WAY more about this that I do... so be gentle, please?)

 

[DeAnnaMisrahi]

That whole roommate thing is weird to me. TA's friends said they could smell the decomposition as soon as they walked in. So, I am still confused about why his roommates didn't notice it. And what was going on with the dog at this time?

 

[Lexington]

Just listening to some of Jodi's testimony. She says that telling Flores that Travis didn't have a gun was a calculated statement, but Juan doesn't give her an opportunity to spin whatever lie she has in mind. I wonder what her story is going to be for telling Flores that Travis didn't have a gun.

She is probably going to say that the gun was unlicensed and she didn't want anyone to think that Travis would be involved in anything illegal.

 

[Whisperer]

I don't understand how Napoleon was cared for after the crime. Travis wasn't leaving for four more days. Who took care of little Napoleon while Travis was locked upstairs?

 

[legalmania]

I am really confused about the roommates. I haven't heard much about them. Were any of them there from 4am to 6pm, or any part thereof? I think it odd that not much has been said about them. They lived with him after all.

That really bothers me also. To know that the man was upstairs dead for 5 days and the roommates didn't notice. I'm sure the dog had to keep going up there looking for his master. It had to stink after a couple of days. Maybe this was normal for them, they didn't see each other for days. I just think since Travis was going away there would have been some concern as to why he wasn't at church or answering the phone? I'm baffled.

 

[beeshie]

Gun vs my life? Depends on how vulnerable of situation I was in. TA had a bed and what pillows & rug mat slippers to defend himself. Not having a gun, a .25 himself or any gun for that matter, I think he'd size up the situation & Jodi's state of mind.

She could of gained her control with that gun during the whole photo sex shoot and Travis' murder.

Evil evil at it's worst.

Let's say she manages to somehow hold a gun on him while she's taking photos of him in the shower. What is the purpose of taking the photos?

 

[fran]

Hello everyone. I have been reading here since 2008. I have learned so much and now I can finally contribute! Love websleuths.

Anyway,I thought Mr. Martinez did a great job. Proved her guilt to me as I didn't start following this case until the defendant got on the stand. I believe the jury will find her guilty, i think the probability that she will get the DP is high. I just wonder how Nurmi will try and recover the case on Monday.

I can't wait to talk more with you all!

:Welcome1:

 

[GetSmart]

Originally Posted by legalmania
Travis looked like a pretty strong guy, would he have just let her have his way with him while she held a gun at him? Or would he have done the usual fight or flight?

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(1) Penetration. The tissue through which the projectile passes, and which it disrupts or destroys.
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[gngr~snap]

That whole roommate thing is weird to me. TA's friends said they could smell the decomposition as soon as they walked in. So, I am still confused about why his roommates didn't notice it. And what was going on with the dog at this time?

They are guys. Probably never smelled death before.IIRC there were two A/C units and Travis was separate from theirs. I heard a comment they thought it was the dog .

He had been gated off to the lower floor.
There was some talk that Napoleon was not house trained well as far as #2 goes...

Moo

 

[GetSmart]

Sorry that was such a long post but there is some good info there..I know it talked about Torso hit but you get the idea..

U.S. Department of Justice​

Handgun Wounding Factors and Effectiveness
Special Agent UREY W. PATRICK
FIREARMS TRAINING UNIT FBI ACADEMY QUANTICO, VIRGINIA

This is who furnished the info on my post from the site I found it on ..

 

[rose222]

Poor Travis. As I read the ways in which she attacked him my heart just breaks. This case is one of the most terrifying ones I've come across. I look at the last photos of him and wonder how this could have happened. He was a big guy, a good guy. How I wish he could have escaped. How I wish his life had been saved.

How nightmarish to be in a shower stall and suddenly realize that the ex gf has a gun/knife. The scariest part would have been her face...her expressions. Even in court with the jury present she looks like a devil. How much she must have scared poor Travis.

Please, please. jury, convict her of first degree murder so she will never step outside a prison again. Please give her the death penalty. Her very breath is a waste of our resources.

 

[gngr~snap]

I don't understand how Napoleon was cared for after the crime. Travis wasn't leaving for four more days. Who took care of little Napoleon while Travis was locked upstairs?

He was gated from getting upstairs.
??? cannot remember his name.
His girlfriend took over Napoleon's care. They thought Travis had already left.

He did travel a lot.

 

[TartLemon]

Is there a link to the photos Jodi says they took that day?

 

[Whisperer]

My BIL was murdered. He had three roommates and they never reported him missing. After three days, his car behind the gate, and no phone calls being answered,lights on (which he never did).They still didn't question. He was found in a secluded part of the house...where the roommates never ventured.

...they said they weren't that close and had no reason to be concerned...WTH?