Jodi Arias TAKES THE STAND FOR 7TH DAY #42 *may contain graphic and adult content*

[Frigga]

Only a small number of psychopaths are murderers.

Drugs/alcohol lower inhibitions. Presumably, if you have some hidden desire to
murder, regardless of whether you are a psychopath, drugs/alcohol could help you to fulfill this desire.

Apparently Dahmer drank a lot. His high school peers considered him an alcoholic. He was discharged from the army for alcoholism. It was reported that he showed up to work stinking of booze.

Here is my thinking in terms of Jodi and drinking/drugging. I am pretty sure in her days with the vampire, Matt, and Darryl that she probably drank some. I think once she met Travis and headed for her baptism, that drinking was not something she continued to do.

We know from Travis friends testimony that Jodi was much different one-on-one than she was in a group setting. It sounds like she was shy or uncomfortable in a group setting. That was my impression, at least. She even talks about how terrified she was to sing the national anthem in front of 10 people- this I believe.

Travis was the opposite of Jodi. He had many, many friends, was quite the socializer, party organizer, and public speaker. I think she admired that and envied that about Travis- I actually think she envied it (secretly) more than admired it. I think she was puzzled by it and wondered why he, and others, were blessed with such a gift, yet she was not.

By the time she left Mesa her life was in the toilet- finances, prospects etc. I'm sure she was pretty miserable. I can see her going back to drinking- especially moving home to Yreka. What a drag- why not? Her sister was drinking and drugging and who more than Jodi would want to escape or numb the reality of her existence? I think its absolutely plausible- even probable.

Hooking up with Matt at the Redroom for karaoke and appetizers but no drinks? No way? Spending the night with Gus (who isn't Mormon) in his motorhome? I'd be drinking myself into oblivion if I had been in her shoes, with him, in that place.

We will likely never know, but I think that this sort of scenario may have been what contributed to sending her over the edge on her death march to Travis. Not a pass nor an excuse just a viable possibility.

Maybe, after she is convicted some of these folks will come out and start speaking the truth. One can only hope. I'm hoping.

 

[SkiptomyLu]

It's been a seriously mind- Nurming day!
Off to bed. fftobed:
Thanks for everything all (Katie - TYVM)

 

[Lorelilly]

I could never sit on a witness stand (or anywhere, really) and tell lie after lie after lie. Maybe I could eek out one or two but that would be it and even that would be a lot. I wouldn't remember anything, I would trip myself up and I'm amazed at these psychopaths (like C.A. and J.A.) who are so adept at it.

I truly feel if she would just tell the friggin' truth of that day, the jury might (just might) reward the simple truth with LWOP instead of the DP. Too late for that though, she's dug a trough full of lies and it will only get deeper.

I still have a hinky feeling about this trial. Before today I just thought shes such a control freak she'd throw a hissy, crying fit either at the end of her direct or the beginning of cross and Court would have to be cancelled for a day or whatever.

But now I wonder...if her DT and the LIAR herself realize how bad its going, can they go to Juan and try to cut a deal for 2nd degree murder??? NOT that LIAR would want to? Just thinking out loud.:waitasec:

 

[Morning Glory]

Interesting note about the haircolor, the photo referred to by the defense showing her hair as a blondeish brunette is seen in an alternate take with the dog on her MySpace album which apparently hasn't been updated since Feb 27, 2007.

https://www.myspace.com/jodiarias/photos/albums/my-photos/663532#mssrc=SitesPhotos_SP_AlbumCover_ViewAlbum

Erm, there is also a comment by Travis that says, "Id like to take pictures of you in the forest." (This isn't important to me as I didn't find the consensual sex or fantasies an issue but some were making note of it.)

 

[Mrs G Norris]

Every woman who has lived and loved has at some stage in her life invested too much in a relationship and at the end of it realised it had all been a waste, we've all felt like fools.. we've all realised we've wasted time, emotion, money .. and bored are friends witless with endless discussions about a guy that just wasn't into us in the same way, we have all been ashamed and lost face. We have probably all felt some kind of narcissistic rage over our 'being brought down a peg or two' throughout the ordeal, and we've all had that moment of truth when we've realised how in denial we've been about the guys true feelings.

This is the only aspect of Jodi anyone can relate to. And it does her no good whatsoever, because none of us have blamed the guy or harmed him or his friends for it. We've taken it as a wake up call and moved on to someone else.

 

[legalmania]

Oh, that is horrible. So they won't be doing Zimmerman live then?

At least there will be the youtubers uploading it, which I've been relying on for the afternoons.

Beth and Joey are my favorites.

They have all the trials live on the internet. You just have to find the right stream. It's better that way because you can work while you listen and no commercials.

 

[Smelly Squirrel]

I think she arrived unannounced and uninvited. Imagine his horror when she is standing behind him watching him at 4 in the morning.

He still had sex with her. It was within the pattern they've established, where they are hateful to each other one day, then have sex on another, whether by phone, cyber or in person.

Seeing those messages, it struck me that if I ever felt angry enough to talk like that to a romantic partner, I couldn't picture still wanting to be with the person ever again.

 

[PASA]

PASA,

What are your thoughts on seeing JA live? Just as creepy as on tv? Will you be able to attend again?

I couldn't see her from where I was sitting. I could see most of the jury.
Several were taking notes. One man in the back row just stared/glared at her.

My husband was sitting next to the guy who was on DD last week who had the wife on a couple of days before. Dark hair. I didn't remember him, but hubby did.

I don't know if I can get back down there this week, but I'd like to.

 

[Sleuth13]

I doubt he has one now(if he ever did). FB had to deactivate thousands of 'fake' accounts when they went public. Long story but I had a few fake FB accounts to help me farm and they all went poof with an email explanation about needing to be accountable to their investors.

They have (or had) something called Dogbook and you could make a page for your dog (knockoff of FB for people). My coworker had 5 or 6 of them for all of her pets and surprisingly it seemed like there were a lot of members.

 

[LinasK]

Here is my thinking in terms of Jodi and drinking/drugging. I am pretty sure in her days with the vampire, Matt, and Darryl that she probably drank some. I think once she met Travis and headed for her baptism, that drinking was not something she continued to do.

We know from Travis friends testimony that Jodi was much different one-on-one than she was in a group setting. It sounds like she was shy or uncomfortable in a group setting. That was my impression, at least. She even talks about how terrified she was to sing the national anthem in front of 10 people- this I believe.

Travis was the opposite of Jodi. He had many, many friends, was quite the socializer, party organizer, and public speaker. I think she admired that and envied that about Travis- I actually think she envied it (secretly) more than admired it. I think she was puzzled by it and wondered why he, and others, were blessed with such a gift, yet she was not.

By the time she left Mesa her life was in the toilet- finances, prospects etc. I'm sure she was pretty miserable. I can see her going back to drinking- especially moving home to Yreka. What a drag- why not? Her sister was drinking and drugging and who more than Jodi would want to escape or numb the reality of her existence? I think its absolutely plausible- even probable.

Hooking up with Matt at the Redroom for karaoke and appetizers but no drinks? No way? Spending the night with Gus (who isn't Mormon) in his motorhome? I'd be drinking myself into oblivion if I had been in her shoes, with him, in that place.

We will likely never know, but I think that this sort of scenario may have been what contributed to sending her over the edge on her death march to Travis. Not a pass nor an excuse just a viable possibility.

Maybe, after she is convicted some of these folks will come out and start speaking the truth. One can only hope. I'm hoping.

Oh you know for sure she didn't stick to any tenets of Mormonism in the least! She even had sex on the day of her baptism, but didn't protest!!! She only converted to get Travis. I wish they'd publicly ex-communicate her.

 

[paperwing]

You loop the rope and cut the loop in the air.

Why go downstairs, get a kitchen knife, take it and the 'rope' in the bathroom, specifically, to measure it (per JA's testimony today)?

It's weird. You have a great point about how he could have cut (the 'rope' that wasn't at the crime scene - but for 3-4 inches and a small loop on the stairs). Why would JA take the rest of the rope (enough to tie someone's wrists with) with her?

And again, as an orderly person, it seems more likely Travis would go to where the knife was to cut the cording, thus not having to carry the knife up and down the stairs. I don't think I've ever brought a knife from the kitchen upstairs or to another room, bathroom, etc. to cut a something easily carried in one hand.

It seems like an odd little thing... plus it's not a great idea to carry a knife up and down stairs as a safety issue. It just doesn't work for me. I could be totally wrong, but JA's versions of things tend to be weird, odd, even abnormal. And untrue - can't forget that. So I believe general likely behaviour more than her convoluted stories that if actually acted out by someone would be unnatural or require extra needless effort often enough.

I don't believe the little piece of tassel/cord and loop had anything to do with anything at all, but was there for some other reason completely different. Perhaps Napoleon chewed it up, brought it into the bathroom, dropping the loop on the stairs, and Travis didn't clean it up because he was killed.

I think it's a diversion. Like 90+% of the defense case.

 

[moonbird]

Interesting note about the haircolor, the photo referred to by the defense showing her hair as a blondeish brunette is seen in an alternate take with the dog on her MySpace album which apparently hasn't been updated since Feb 27, 2007.

https://www.myspace.com/jodiarias/photos/albums/my-photos/663532#mssrc=SitesPhotos_SP_AlbumCover_ViewAlbum

Erm, there is also a comment by Travis that says, "Id like to take pictures of you in the forest." (This isn't important to me as I didn't find the consensual sex or fantasies an issue but some were making note of it.)

excellent sleuthing Morning Glory!!!

 

[SkiptomyLu]

I'm really starting to wonder (even more than I did a thread ago) if she's going to fold tomorrow and ask for LWOP.

That way she avoids talking about the murder - and she avoids Juan Martinez.

Her DT at this point has GOT to be aware this is not going well, I can't imagine they aren't discussing likely/unlikely outcomes with her (unlikely: not guilty. Very unlikely), in fact I think they're just losing ground the longer this goes on. Aren't they duty bound to present options to their client - especially when things really seem to be very bad for her?

Anyway, I wouldn't be surprised at all if she caves - it would be the one wise thing she'd have done throughout this entire trial.

Given she hasn't shown to be very wise at all, maybe I am giving her too much credit.

Things are just going to get much, much harder for her from here on out. If she's anything, she's self-serving at any cost - she's proven that.

Ya know, every-time I think she *must* be realizing the gravity of her situation she shows up all chipper the next day with that "duping delight" grin that Janine Driver on Dr. Drew describes so beautifully, and I am completely "??????????"

 

[Smelly Squirrel]

KN "Did you ever refer to it as Margaritaville?"
JA "No, I thought that was a country song."

Jodi has some tells when she lies. One is talking with a little more assertiveness and confidence than usual (as in "pedophile with a past"), but this is the one where she throws in extraneous information, which is almost on every answer. It's what children do when they're trying to get out of something. It's the bs-er's m.o.

 

[Mrs G Norris]

Here is my thinking in terms of Jodi and drinking/drugging. I am pretty sure in her days with the vampire, Matt, and Darryl that she probably drank some. I think once she met Travis and headed for her baptism, that drinking was not something she continued to do.

We know from Travis friends testimony that Jodi was much different one-on-one than she was in a group setting. It sounds like she was shy or uncomfortable in a group setting. That was my impression, at least. She even talks about how terrified she was to sing the national anthem in front of 10 people- this I believe.

Travis was the opposite of Jodi. He had many, many friends, was quite the socializer, party organizer, and public speaker. I think she admired that and envied that about Travis- I actually think she envied it (secretly) more than admired it. I think she was puzzled by it and wondered why he, and others, were blessed with such a gift, yet she was not.

By the time she left Mesa her life was in the toilet- finances, prospects etc. I'm sure she was pretty miserable. I can see her going back to drinking- especially moving home to Yreka. What a drag- why not? Her sister was drinking and drugging and who more than Jodi would want to escape or numb the reality of her existence? I think its absolutely plausible- even probable.

Hooking up with Matt at the Redroom for karaoke and appetizers but no drinks? No way? Spending the night with Gus (who isn't Mormon) in his motorhome? I'd be drinking myself into oblivion if I had been in her shoes, with him, in that place.

We will likely never know, but I think that this sort of scenario may have been what contributed to sending her over the edge on her death march to Travis. Not a pass nor an excuse just a viable possibility.

Maybe, after she is convicted some of these folks will come out and start speaking the truth. One can only hope. I'm hoping.

I think she's a huge petri dish of inadequacies .. social, financial, emotional. The girl had nothing. Here she is looking at the jury .. I don't think that's faked ... I think she knows. She reached the bottom of the pit way before she left Mesa IMO .. she reached rock bottom before she decided to move down there. A series of horrible stupid moves that kept her spiralling downwards. There was no recovery from where she ended up with Travis, and there is no recovery now. Cautionary tale? My word.

 

[Sleuth13]

I couldn't see her from where I was sitting. I could see most of the jury.
Several were taking notes. One man in the back row just stared/glared at her.

My husband was sitting next to the guy who was on DD last week who had the wife on a couple of days before. Dark hair. I didn't remember him, but hubby did.

I don't know if I can get back down there this week, but I'd like to.

Oh goodie ~ the juror glaring is now my favorite person in the room!!! LOL!! Hope you get to go back again at some point for cross!! Keep us posted

 

[LambChop]

Interesting note about the haircolor, the photo referred to by the defense showing her hair as a blondeish brunette is seen in an alternate take with the dog on her MySpace album which apparently hasn't been updated since Feb 27, 2007.

https://www.myspace.com/jodiarias/photos/albums/my-photos/663532#mssrc=SitesPhotos_SP_AlbumCover_ViewAlbum

Erm, there is also a comment by Travis that says, "Id like to take pictures of you in the forest." (This isn't important to me as I didn't find the consensual sex or fantasies an issue but some were making note of it.)

She admits to having his password. It does not mean he was the one who wrote that on there.

 

[LinasK]

But now I wonder...if her DT and the LIAR herself realize how bad its going, can they go to Juan and try to cut a deal for 2nd degree murder??? NOT that LIAR would want to? Just thinking out loud.:waitasec:

There is no way he'd do it. He just wouldn't agree to it. They tried that 2 years ago. She has nothing to offer, his body was found and we know the methods of execution. It was clearly premeditated and she deserves death, nothing less!!!
And it would be a waste of all the costs spent on the trial so far. Juan will have his day with her upon cross, count on it.

 

[TexasGirlie]

I theorize that it didn't exist. It's only role was to give the knife a reason to be in the bedroom at Travis' hand, not hers. Blame him for the knife by way of dirty sex scenario.

There was no rope. She brought the knife. iMo.

I completely agree w/ u! She was using the rope scenario to incorporate why there would be a knife readily available. Good catch! :jumping:

 

[Anita Richman]

Couldn't have said it better myself!! Thank you MandyLeigh!!

I agree; Mandy Leigh, you said it perfectly!