wenwe4
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Then while we were in Huntington beach a girl texted . . . what time is it there ? . . . gosh I am making this look so bad. . . not saying psychic but I have distinct feeling . . . one I can't ignore . . . one day while he was sleeping I took his phone and read his texts . . bad I know. . . .
talking about getting sushi . . . . plans when she comes up . . . .they texted back and forth between each other.
Cross exam . . . .
Met JA in Oklahoma City @ convention for Pre-Paid Legal . . . after a meeting or ceremony . . . specific team break out session - closer knit team (smaller group) . . . quick first impressions. . . nice and beautiful . . . .all I remember.
April 2008 - convention . . . he knew TA (who he was not personally). . . . 3 mo into the business - he was struggling . . . . TA was flown into SLC for a training - inspired by TA - did much better after that.
TA was probably not there when Burns met JA . . . he knows was @ the event but not when Burns and JA were exchanging numbers. . . . Zion Levinger and Burns were playing pool downstairs about a month after the convention - maybe Dave Hall's Mom's house - business get together in SLC.
In between initial meeting and the time JA's name brought up during pool . . . doesn't think he had conversations with JA - 3 or 4 week break before they had conversations.. ..Zion said "she's cool you should give her a call". . . .he was trying to play matchmaker . . . Burns asked Zion for the number again as he didn't have number anymore. . . . .
something Zion said motivated burns to call JA. . . . Burns was single @ the time . . . he called her right there @ that event. . . . there was a room that had a sitting room outside of where eveyone was playing pool . . .could be 30 min or 3 hrs - don't remember but pleasant conversation.
Was your interest romantic? Sure I was interested in getting to know her better and possible dating . . .we talked about books we like to read . . . how to influence friends and people . . . . .attractive traits in her . . . . business person.
nothing disuaded him from him initial feelings after talking to her . . . in crowds she was a shy girl but 1:1 she was very different. . . . how did you draw that comparison . . . engaging in conversation and shy in groups. . . . 1:1 on the phone -very easy to talk to not awkward . . . . never seemed that way . . . but in the the briefing in a crowd - she was a little shyer. . . . in front of people
Briefing in June 2008 - a thursday when he came to Utah. . . .
first contact in May or end of april . . . no awareness of her dating of Travis . . . at some point she mentioned they talked couple times a week . . . .shocked Burns. . . . Travis was her executive director . . . he was her mentor in the business . . . helped him put in membership applications . . .they talked business but that was it
she Helped him qualify as Ex. Director . . . helped him maintain exec. director . . . bonus level in our company - got paid a lot more . . . . needed 75 memberships . . . if you had 73 @ end of month you would get director but not exec. pay . . . . first month as director made 6K but first month as Exec. director - Burns made over 10K that month.
Status allow you into certain places. . . . Exec. Director banquet . . . you basically got paid more . . . . 1-2 thousand of us would go to banquet - and get on the Cancun trips if executive director.
Instant messages between JA and Burns. . . April - june 2008 . . . one way to communicate. . . made phone calls as well . . . business was picking up for Burns - they were busy during the day . . . usually called @ 11pm at nite . .. .
prior to Meeting 6/4 or 6/5 they talked 4 or 5 times per week and text message during the day. . . . not too often instant messages . . . .
in these conversations . . . subjects talking every day . . .getting to know each other .. . .her likes, his likes . . .she asked what are your hobbies . . .what books have you read . .. . his dating history . . . have trust issues? whatever would come up.
Any phone sex? Yea we probably did. . ..... some time after she came to Utah.
between time met in April and time met in june no phone sex.
In april toJune 2008 - moral or religious qualms about sex . . . he hadn't attended LDs church in over a year @ that time . . . she told him about her views on church . . he stopped when things got heated - it was mor her expressing her relgious beliefs.
He spoke w/Det. Flores on phone and Def. Atty came out to SLC . . . she was trying to bring Burns closer to god . . . .she was a member of hs former church . . she was a convert - baptised later on - not raised in church . . . . Travis baptised her.
JA got him a little bit reinvested in the church - she was reading scriptures. . . no reason to doubt her sincerity . . . during conversations they had . . . talking about scripture and relationship with God . . .
she did confide she had a sexual relationship with Travis . . . she didn't want to Burns to repeat it . . . she said they went further . . . he used word "edify" him
did she evre bad mouth travis? besides the conversation about him cheating an unfaithful and not honest with her . . . no . . .. . she never said bad things about him except the trust issue . . .
Text message from another girl - no idea which girl she was referring to? Burns thought it was a long time ago - didn't know if 6 months or 2 years ago . . .he didn't try to pry into that relationship.
it seemed like a year ago whn Travis and JA broke up . . . .infidelity that motivated this breakup? Objection . . . .
People talking @ once . . Judge asks to ask question again . . .
infidelity referenced in the text messges . . . seemed like JA didn't trust TA . . . is that reason motivated to break up? . . . . Burns even complimented her for full disclosure even though she didn't need to . . .they didn't trust each other that was reason JA and TA broke up.
Travis didn't want relationship to be public . . . .Burns said it seemed like JA's frustration - their relationship wasn't going anywhere . . . .hard to stop seeing each other when so close - that is why she moved from AZ to Calif. . . . .northern Calif. . .
She wished that when she movd that was the end of the relationship. . . .
Question about TA not wanting their relationship to be public . . they were on the way to breaking up and hooked up a few times after breaking up . . . sounded like each wanted to move on . .
How long convention in Oklahoma city - 2-3 days . . .. Cox convention center in Okalahoma - well over 10K people attended . . . . social events and meetings and parties training throughout the day 8 hrs . . . . dance parties hang out -all sorts of stuff going on . .. .
Burns and Jodi had fair amt of mutual friends . . . any interaction with Jodi and friends there? no - just him and Jodi . . . never saw TA and JA together as a couple @ the convention. . . . he didn't know they were a couple for a long time - he was shocked when she said that she and TA talked so often - thought they had broken up long time ago.
talking about getting sushi . . . . plans when she comes up . . . .they texted back and forth between each other.
Cross exam . . . .
Met JA in Oklahoma City @ convention for Pre-Paid Legal . . . after a meeting or ceremony . . . specific team break out session - closer knit team (smaller group) . . . quick first impressions. . . nice and beautiful . . . .all I remember.
April 2008 - convention . . . he knew TA (who he was not personally). . . . 3 mo into the business - he was struggling . . . . TA was flown into SLC for a training - inspired by TA - did much better after that.
TA was probably not there when Burns met JA . . . he knows was @ the event but not when Burns and JA were exchanging numbers. . . . Zion Levinger and Burns were playing pool downstairs about a month after the convention - maybe Dave Hall's Mom's house - business get together in SLC.
In between initial meeting and the time JA's name brought up during pool . . . doesn't think he had conversations with JA - 3 or 4 week break before they had conversations.. ..Zion said "she's cool you should give her a call". . . .he was trying to play matchmaker . . . Burns asked Zion for the number again as he didn't have number anymore. . . . .
something Zion said motivated burns to call JA. . . . Burns was single @ the time . . . he called her right there @ that event. . . . there was a room that had a sitting room outside of where eveyone was playing pool . . .could be 30 min or 3 hrs - don't remember but pleasant conversation.
Was your interest romantic? Sure I was interested in getting to know her better and possible dating . . .we talked about books we like to read . . . how to influence friends and people . . . . .attractive traits in her . . . . business person.
nothing disuaded him from him initial feelings after talking to her . . . in crowds she was a shy girl but 1:1 she was very different. . . . how did you draw that comparison . . . engaging in conversation and shy in groups. . . . 1:1 on the phone -very easy to talk to not awkward . . . . never seemed that way . . . but in the the briefing in a crowd - she was a little shyer. . . . in front of people
Briefing in June 2008 - a thursday when he came to Utah. . . .
first contact in May or end of april . . . no awareness of her dating of Travis . . . at some point she mentioned they talked couple times a week . . . .shocked Burns. . . . Travis was her executive director . . . he was her mentor in the business . . . helped him put in membership applications . . .they talked business but that was it
she Helped him qualify as Ex. Director . . . helped him maintain exec. director . . . bonus level in our company - got paid a lot more . . . . needed 75 memberships . . . if you had 73 @ end of month you would get director but not exec. pay . . . . first month as director made 6K but first month as Exec. director - Burns made over 10K that month.
Status allow you into certain places. . . . Exec. Director banquet . . . you basically got paid more . . . . 1-2 thousand of us would go to banquet - and get on the Cancun trips if executive director.
Instant messages between JA and Burns. . . April - june 2008 . . . one way to communicate. . . made phone calls as well . . . business was picking up for Burns - they were busy during the day . . . usually called @ 11pm at nite . .. .
prior to Meeting 6/4 or 6/5 they talked 4 or 5 times per week and text message during the day. . . . not too often instant messages . . . .
in these conversations . . . subjects talking every day . . .getting to know each other .. . .her likes, his likes . . .she asked what are your hobbies . . .what books have you read . .. . his dating history . . . have trust issues? whatever would come up.
Any phone sex? Yea we probably did. . ..... some time after she came to Utah.
between time met in April and time met in june no phone sex.
In april toJune 2008 - moral or religious qualms about sex . . . he hadn't attended LDs church in over a year @ that time . . . she told him about her views on church . . he stopped when things got heated - it was mor her expressing her relgious beliefs.
He spoke w/Det. Flores on phone and Def. Atty came out to SLC . . . she was trying to bring Burns closer to god . . . .she was a member of hs former church . . she was a convert - baptised later on - not raised in church . . . . Travis baptised her.
JA got him a little bit reinvested in the church - she was reading scriptures. . . no reason to doubt her sincerity . . . during conversations they had . . . talking about scripture and relationship with God . . .
she did confide she had a sexual relationship with Travis . . . she didn't want to Burns to repeat it . . . she said they went further . . . he used word "edify" him
did she evre bad mouth travis? besides the conversation about him cheating an unfaithful and not honest with her . . . no . . .. . she never said bad things about him except the trust issue . . .
Text message from another girl - no idea which girl she was referring to? Burns thought it was a long time ago - didn't know if 6 months or 2 years ago . . .he didn't try to pry into that relationship.
it seemed like a year ago whn Travis and JA broke up . . . .infidelity that motivated this breakup? Objection . . . .
People talking @ once . . Judge asks to ask question again . . .
infidelity referenced in the text messges . . . seemed like JA didn't trust TA . . . is that reason motivated to break up? . . . . Burns even complimented her for full disclosure even though she didn't need to . . .they didn't trust each other that was reason JA and TA broke up.
Travis didn't want relationship to be public . . . .Burns said it seemed like JA's frustration - their relationship wasn't going anywhere . . . .hard to stop seeing each other when so close - that is why she moved from AZ to Calif. . . . .northern Calif. . .
She wished that when she movd that was the end of the relationship. . . .
Question about TA not wanting their relationship to be public . . they were on the way to breaking up and hooked up a few times after breaking up . . . sounded like each wanted to move on . .
How long convention in Oklahoma city - 2-3 days . . .. Cox convention center in Okalahoma - well over 10K people attended . . . . social events and meetings and parties training throughout the day 8 hrs . . . . dance parties hang out -all sorts of stuff going on . .. .
Burns and Jodi had fair amt of mutual friends . . . any interaction with Jodi and friends there? no - just him and Jodi . . . never saw TA and JA together as a couple @ the convention. . . . he didn't know they were a couple for a long time - he was shocked when she said that she and TA talked so often - thought they had broken up long time ago.
