Jodi Arias Trial discussion, #3

[Linda7NJ]

"Narcissists may be callous and abusive - malignant narcissists definitely are callous and abusive! - and they lack empathy. These are things they have in common with psychopaths. But narcissists have a very strong emotional need for attention or Attention Seeking, Acceptance and Admiration. Their self esteem depends on whether or not they receive these things, and this makes them very vulnerable to rejection and other forms of negative attention such as humiliation, being out shined by someone else, or of being deliberately or naturally ignored."

From http://www.psychopathicwritings.com/2011/06/need-for-attention-fear-of-rejection.html?m=1

That's not what I asked.

I asked about psychopathy.

 

[Isabelle]

I hate to say this out loud but doesn't she sound a lot like another psycho woman we all know?

Yes. But I am thinking she is the worst of the worse!

 

[Justme84]

She used the gun too, didn't she. And she brought the knife which she "more than" used. Safe to say she made sure she inflicted the most amount of pain humanly possible. The gun would've been one and done (or could have been one and done). She came armed with options. She used both weapons. She mutilated him. I'd say the premeditation is still in tact and stronger than ever.

you are really going with the whole idea that she was a sadist and wanted to do all that to him? if she stabbed him with something in the house and took it with her thats not premeditation. if she stole the gun i am sure that it was no way in her plan to stab him first. why risk being caught with it, it being found and traced back to her family, why get blood everywhere and leave more fingerprints?

 

[HauntsForHope]

Symptoms of Narcissistic Personality Disorder
A belief that he or she is unique or "special" and should only associate with other people of the same status.

Persistent fantasies about attaining success and power.

Exploiting other people for personal gain.

A sense of entitlement and expectation of special treatment.

A preoccupation with power or success.

Feeling envious of others, or believing that others are envious of him or her.

A lack of empathy for others.
People with narcissistic personality disorder are typically described as arrogant, conceited, self-centered and haughty. Because they imagine themselves as superior to others, they often insist on possessing items that reflect a successful lifestyle. Despite this exaggerated self-image, they are reliant on constant praise and attention to reinforce their self-esteem. As a result, those with narcissistic personality disorder are usually very sensitive to criticism, which is often viewed as a personal attack. http://psychology.about.com/od/personalitydisorders/a/narcissisticpd.htm

 

[popsicle]

awww HLN has new photos so nice. Smiling Travis

 

[Londonrraine]

Jane Velez Mitchell is covering this story, on now, if you're interested.

 

[Linda7NJ]

psychopath [sakpæθ]
n
(Psychiatry) a person afflicted with a personality disorder characterized by a tendency to commit antisocial and sometimes violent acts and a failure to feel guilt for such acts Also called sociopath
psychopathic adj
psychopathically adv

You have to do more reading to thoroughly understand psychopathy. It is different than sociopathy. It's different than narcissism. It's different from borderline personality. The traits sometimes overlap in that all psychopaths are narcissistic. They all are not criminals. Psychopaths are a breed all of their own.

 

[LotusPawprint]

that scene means that the whole premeditated evidence is out thewindow. why steal and bring a gun if she was just going to stab him in the shwer?

Also, given that she brought the knife too, stabbings are considered much more "personal" and "intimate" manners of killing than shootings are... Especially 29 times... over... and over..... and over.... and over..... and over.... in the heart..... in the back.... slicing the throat.... over ..... and over.....

I doubt she was carrying that knife around to make Travis a nice salad that night.....

 

[JSR]

i hate to say this out loud but doesn't she sound a lot like another psycho woman we all know?

this exactly!! yes!!

 

[Boodles]

My gosh. Imagine this: He's in the shower, naked, with a girl taking photos of him, urging him on, "This will be so sexy, baby." Then BAM, she stabs him in the heart. In shock, he grabs the knife and stumbles up, to get away, to get a breath, to live, to survive. He lurches, with minutes of life left, to the sink, where he futilely coughs up blood, straining to breathe, hoping he will make it. But, to make matters impossibly worse, he begins to jerk as he feels the knife being stabbed viciously into his back, once, twice, three times, four, five six, seven, on and on and on.

His life blood is literally slipping away, but the human instinct to try to survive is great, so he claws around and weak-kneed, falls slowly to the ground. He continues to feel the knife stabbing him, and he can't stop it, but he crawls, pathetically trying to get away. Then, the worst of it all, he feels his murderer straddle him. What is she going to do know? In a second, he knows as he feels her hand jerk his scalp back and feels the knife slice into his neck, so strong, so hard, that his head is almost cut off. He sinks to the ground and he dies. His body is then dragged back to the place he tried to escape and a bullet is put into his face, into his brain. One last indignity.

This happened to a man. A human being. A once sad kid who had druggie parents but who was miraculously recused by his grandmother who loved him and his siblings and taught them her faith which became so important to him. He was imperfect, and had faults. He was possibly even hypocritical at times. But he had dreams like we all did. He saw a bright future filled with kids and love and life. He was a brother, a grandson, a friend. And as his body was slashed to death in a shower stall, ALL of that was taken from him.

THAT is disgusting. THAT is horrific. That is one of the saddest things imaginable.

I'm well aware that he was murdered and how disgusting it is.

But that wasn't my question.

I see that you have convicted the defendant in your mind, and that's fine. I am considering their relationship as potentially being more complex that what his friends portray. I don't know yet. I just posed a question.

I am also curious about why, if you don't want to hear the "other side" do you subject yourself to observing the trial?

I accept your POV. Please accept mine.

 

[Isabelle]

It really bothers me that the prosecutor didn't ask Ryan Burns about JA's physical appearance. Did she have a black eye? A broken nose? Bruises on her wrists, arms, chest, thighs. Just anything that might indicate that TA hit her when she dropped the camera.

I think that would have helped the jury dismiss the whole self defense BS.

I think the story about the two cuts on a finger she told Ryan she got at work (Margaritaville) took care of that.

 

[HarvestMoon]

Psychopath: O let's just say somebody that stabs, slices, and shoots someone ... then is able to calmly and clearly start up with a possible new love interest, O' what was it 18-24 hours later.

 

[Linda7NJ]

Symptoms of Narcissistic Personality Disorder
A belief that he or she is unique or "special" and should only associate with other people of the same status.

Persistent fantasies about attaining success and power.

Exploiting other people for personal gain.

A sense of entitlement and expectation of special treatment.

A preoccupation with power or success.

Feeling envious of others, or believing that others are envious of him or her.

A lack of empathy for others.
People with narcissistic personality disorder are typically described as arrogant, conceited, self-centered and haughty. Because they imagine themselves as superior to others, they often insist on possessing items that reflect a successful lifestyle. Despite this exaggerated self-image, they are reliant on constant praise and attention to reinforce their self-esteem. As a result, those with narcissistic personality disorder are usually very sensitive to criticism, which is often viewed as a personal attack. http://psychology.about.com/od/personalitydisorders/a/narcissisticpd.htm

Again....I asked specifically about psychopathy.

 

[HauntsForHope]

Jane Velez Mitchell is covering this story, on now, if you're interested.

Interviewing an emotional friend of Travis...

 

[alwaysonmymind]

you are really going with the whole idea that she was a sadist and wanted to do all that to him? if she stabbed him with something in the house and took it with her thats not premeditation. if she stole the gun i am sure that it was no way in her plan to stab him first. why risk being caught with it, it being found and traced back to her family, why get blood everywhere and leave more fingerprints?

I think she brought the knife and gun with her and used the gun to threaten him and get him where she wanted him.

All pre-meditated.

She is evil AND sloppy.


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[bobloblaw]

They were also arrested the SAME day!

Wow, thats crazy. Anyone know when JA did that interview where she said MARK MY WORDS etc etc? I wonder if that was after she saw FCA get off with murder...

 

[popsicle]

you are really going with the whole idea that she was a sadist and wanted to do all that to him? if she stabbed him with something in the house and took it with her thats not premeditation. if she stole the gun i am sure that it was no way in her plan to stab him first. why risk being caught with it, it being found and traced back to her family, why get blood everywhere and leave more fingerprints?

The faces I saw her make today. No, not faces... that changes in her personality that I witnessed. That girl is indeed scary and something is wrong with her mentally and I cannot say what because I am a patient and not a DR but she is mental.

 

[norest4thewicked]

Why are we arguing about psychological conditions? We KNOW that JA is bat S**T crazy! Does it matter if she has some specific disorder vs another?

 

[norest4thewicked]

Also, given that she brought the knife too, stabbings are considered much more "personal" and "intimate" manners of killing than shootings are... Especially 29 times... over... and over..... and over.... and over..... and over.... in the heart..... in the back.... slicing the throat.... over ..... and over.....

I doubt she was carrying that knife around to make Travis a nice salad that night.....

No one knows where the knife came from as far as I know. Do you have info to the contrary? I have wondered about this.

 

[Linda7NJ]

Why are we arguing about psychological conditions? We KNOW that JA is bat S**T crazy! Does it matter if she has some specific disorder vs another?

Lol

True!

I don't understand why I am trying to convince anyone of something they don't understand.