Jodi Arias Trial discussion, #3

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So, I went! Very, very interesting. I'm glad I did. Problem is now I want to go again!
 
alwaysonmymind said:
Just dry sex cuz she forgot the lube....

I hate her.


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He stated he didn't want to ruin her time in Utah by having sex and he didn't want her to feel bad about the visit. I think he already knew a lot about her and handled her to protect himself! Bet anything other member of the sales group clued him in.
 
lonetraveler said:
Well he did say that she had two small bandages on her fingers. He was asked if he got to see her and he said that she had a six-pack and was very strong. She physically adjusted him and jumped up on top of him and started the grinding.

So, I don't think she was feeling beaten up or anything, in fact I think she was feeling very powerful (Ryan Burns is a big guy, not easy to physically adjust so she can be on top).
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Right. I saw that he was asked about the cuts on her hands, but I was thinking from a juror's perspective. You're told to keep an open mind, so if I'm a juror, I'm thinking "if this was self defense, then what action from TA made JA react in such a brutal way?".

And that's why I think the prosecutor missed an opportunity to show the jury that JA didn't have any indication of physical injury. Other than the cuts on her hands which she probably (obviously) got while stabbing TA.
 
Mintedlace said:
Wait... so TA didn't care about her "trashing" his BMW and "he took it so well" but she dropped his camera and all hell broke loose?! Enough for her to "fear for her life" so she had to stab him 27 times, slit his throat and shoot him?

Yeah, makes perfect sense...
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Good catch!

BBM
 
Boodles said:
I'm well aware that he was murdered and how disgusting it is.

But that wasn't my question.

I see that you have convicted the defendant in your mind, and that's fine. I am considering their relationship as potentially being more complex that what his friends portray. I don't know yet. I just posed a question.

I am also curious about why, if you don't want to hear the "other side" do you subject yourself to observing the trial?

I accept your POV. Please accept mine.
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But the dynamic of their relationship does not matter anything at all in determining this woman's guilt! That is not a factor to be considered in this case.

What are things to consider- is this self defense? Was Travis violent before? etc. Or if she was arguing diminished capacity what evidence supports that.

Would you sit on a jury in a rape case and consider if the outfit the victim wore "enticed" the defendant(s) too much and she therefore deserved to be raped or was asking for it? Hopefully you won't consider that type of evidence. There is no difference in the scenario I just described above than what the defense is trying to do to the victim in this case.

Whether or not Travis was a bad person (I'm not even saying he is or was) is not an element to consider in convicting Jodi. Just as you indicated that Jodi and Travis had a complex relationship it's also important to note that individuals themselves can be complex. Travis was neither all bad nor all good he was probably a mixture of both.

Having said that, as an observer of this trial, I'm interested only in the evidence or the elements that need to be proven in this case to either prove first degree murder or self defense. I'm not at all interested in if Travis was a player, a ladies man, a bad Mormon, or a bad boyfriend. But if he WAS violent before I want to hear that evidence, if it exists.

I think what you just indicated above is why defense attys routinely bash or blame a victim because it works. And really all it does is muddy the waters. It distracts jurors from focusing on what elements need to be proven to convict or to acquit.
 
I'm gritting my teeth as I sit through NG...

Ryan (witness today) is guest on her show right now

NG referring to him as "former lover"
 
Karmady said:
So, I went! Very, very interesting. I'm glad I did. Problem is now I want to go again!
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Oh my goodness! So, how was it? Where did you sit? Can we see you? Did you see the question basket? I love that darn basket.
 
popsicle said:
that doesn't mean 5 yrs ago he was. jmo
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LOL, I knew as soon as I hit submit that someone would come up with that. No, I don't know how big he was 5 years ago but I'm guessing that he was still much larger than she is.
 
HarvestMoon said:
Wow, what stood out for you?
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That it's very very different to be there live than it is to read about it or even to see the live video!

I read back several pages and notice that my impressions of several things seem different than the impressions of the posters who were watching the same thing, and also felt that my own impressioms would probably nhave bee different if I hadn't physically been there.

Jodi is TINY and the prosecutor is very, very, short. The jurors were very attentive for the most part and Nurmi (?) was wearing purple argyle socks lol

Idk where to begin, but if anyone has a question about something they didn't catch, or whatever, I might be able to answer.

btw, the first recess was b/c the pros had to go fetch the next witness anyway. The witnesses from Mesa LE were seated together just outside the courtroom. I know b/c one of them had an Iphone and helped me make sure my new phone was fully silent before I went in lol I didn't know they were witnesses at the time. I actually talked to all three of them (the ones from Mesa, not the friend from Utah). I do have his business card, though!

eta: should say the first recess after lunch. I wasn't there this a.m., I was here !
 
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