Jodi Arias Trial discussion, #4

[Davia18]

Oh wait.... I got it!

She shot him in the bathroom. Then the two if them rolled together in the hallway .... as he continued to attack her....she was on the floor and had to reach around him to stab him in the back!


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LOL Silly me DUH :blushing:

 

[CUCKOOHEAD]

Somebody shoot that detective he spoke what he believed to be what happened. Defense team IMO you score a big, fat zero in any points on that exchange.

 

[Troubled]

I wonder if the jury is doing the same thing I am doing. Totally tuning out the Defense teams questions.

And wasnt the grand jury thing before JA's explanation of self defense?

 

[Sulamith]

The detective gave a TV interview of about one hour. Is that strange? I am not sure I like that. Grandstanding maybe? Thoughts?

 

[Boodles]

This is from a hearing on 8-10-09 concerning defendant’s Request for Determination of Probable Cause on Alleged Aggravating Factor. The Court found there was probable cause which opened the door for the death penalty to be sought. In the evidentiary hearing the State argument was:

"Cruelty
A first degree murder is “especially cruel” if the victim suffers physical pain or mental anguish and the defendant knew or should have known that the victim would suffer. State v. McCray, 218 Ariz. 252, 259, ¶31, 183 P.3d 503, 510 (2008). To establish this aggravating factor, the State does not need to prove that the victim was conscious for “each and every wound
inflicted.” State v. Sansing, 206 Ariz. 232, 235, ¶10, 77 P.3d 30, 34 (2003). Physical pain may be found where a conscious victim physically suffered for at least a short period of time. State v. William Herrera, Jr., 176 Ariz. 21, 859 P.2d 131 (1993) (finding victim was lying on the ground with a gash in his head for at least 18 seconds and possibly as much as two to three minutes).

The State presented evidence that the victim was first shot on the right side of his head near his eye with a .25 caliber handgun and that the bullet lodged in his left cheek. This wound was not fatal and may or may not have rendered the victim unconscious. The victim did not remain unconscious based on the infliction of the other wounds and the location of blood spatter evidence in the bathroom sink and blood in the hallway. In addition, the defendant told the police that the victim was unconscious after being shot but then crawled around and was stabbed.

The victim was then stabbed 27 times in the back, shoulders, head and chest. Cuts on the hands were defensive wounds from grabbing the knife. With the exception of two wounds, these wounds were not fatal. The two fatal wounds were a deep stab wound to the chest and then a cut
across the throat. While conscious, the victim would have felt pain and mental anguish associated with these multiple wounds.

The Court finds that the State has proved that there is probable cause to believe that the offense was especially cruel under the theory that it involved both physical and mental suffering of the victim."

The full minutes can be read here: http://www.courtminutes.maricopa.gov/docs/Criminal/082009/m3846408.pdf

Wow, thanks for that!

 

[Chowdahead]

There is something that isn't making sense to me. On one hand it is reported that she was very into him, on the other hand it is reported that she was just a shell of a person. Those two seem to contradict each other.

It sounds like the behavior of a sociopath, IMO.

 

[zoey]

The detective gave a TV interview of about one hour. Is that strange? I am not sure I like that. Grandstanding maybe? Thoughts?

probably the 48 hours thing

 

[popsicle]

The detective gave a TV interview of about one hour. Is that strange? I am not sure I like that. Grandstanding maybe? Thoughts?

would have to see it to make an opinion. since he didn't show it I am guessing it is only a positive for the detective and the prosecution's case

 

[GobBluth]

Nice redirect, DA!

 

[Curious Me]

The masterful prosecutor is making strong points to show Detective Flores did not write about the sequencing of crime events.

 

[my2sense]

I'm not a lawyer, but do you think the defense thought that a big blow to the DA?

It looked/looks that way to me.

 

[Troubled]

DA did an awesome job on redirect. IMO made the defense look stupid.

 

[popsicle]

I'm sorry... he just blew the defense attorney's questions out of the water!! lol

 

[zoey]

I'm sorry... he just blew the defense attorney's questions out of the water!! lol

and less painful

 

[3trees]

The detective gave a TV interview of about one hour. Is that strange? I am not sure I like that. Grandstanding maybe? Thoughts?

Perhap$ a bit of that or $ome of reason$

 

[Snoopy1]

Thanks for all theposts today guys. I am leaving to head home, I will follow once I get there!

Great job all!

 

[popsicle]

Det Flores in Dragnet

 

[borndem]

Hi all. First time poster - just joined yesterday. Thanks for your posts on this horrific crime. The last time I was consumed with such a case it was the Peterson trial. I just wanted to add re: the shower, that it would not surprise me had JA taken a shower to "clean off" while TA was laying in the base of the shower. It would be the ultimate "I win" moment for her. Gross but seemingly right up her alley.

Could someone please post more pics of the beefcake Detective please?

Welcome, Tang!
We're glad you're here!!
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[popsicle]

DA did an awesome job on redirect. IMO made the defense look stupid.

It seems to be a habit :floorlaugh:

 

[Boodles]

I could never be romantically involved with Juan. He would be impossible to argue with, he thinks way too quickly on his feet. I would never win an argument.