Jodi Arias Trial discussion, #4

[zoey]

I could never be romantically involved with Juan. He would be impossible to argue with, he thinks way too quickly on his feet. I would never win an argument.

can you imagine a child??????

 

[TigerBalm]

States witness, Jodi Legg, City of Mesa, Forensic Scientist III, DNA

 

[my2sense]

The defense has no choice but to grasp at any technical straw to try to get their client the least punishment. I think the female defense lawyer does a terrible job (imo) but the guy doesn't really annoy me. He's very calm. Better than the dramatics put on by the infamous Mr. Baez.

 

[MsCharlieChan]

QUOTE: Originally Posted by Boodles
I assume the defense's case relies on a story that he was shot first, didn't go down, kept coming after her, until she killed him with a knife. So the defense is trying to refute the ME's opinion that the stabbing happened first.

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I dunno... I kind of think the defense's goal is to pull a "Jose Baez." They want to confuse the jury.

They want to show that the ME, etc. don't really know what the heck happened... So, if the State cannot confidently prove the event sequence -- i.e., who assaulted whom first between TA & JA -- then it could have been self-defense on JA's part. Followed by a battered woman's "snap out."

 

[Grammy Jean]

I am just thinking back to what we learned earlier. Jodi knew Travis's pin #. Do you think we may later learn she withdrew money from his account and that was some of the deposit money she used on her journey to kill Travis. Sorry if someone already speculated I am way behind on reading posts.

 

[PASA]

Hi all. First time poster - just joined yesterday. Thanks for your posts on this horrific crime. The last time I was consumed with such a case it was the Peterson trial. I just wanted to add re: the shower, that it would not surprise me had JA taken a shower to "clean off" while TA was laying in the base of the shower. It would be the ultimate "I win" moment for her. Gross but seemingly right up her alley.

Could someone please post more pics of the beefcake Detective please?

BBM
Wouldn't surprise me either.

Welcome to Websleuths!

 

[popsicle]

my thinking is Jodi is having a hard time understanding the DNA

 

[LotusPawprint]

As usual, thanks for the transcriptions and enjoyed the commentary while I was out pretending to be an adult for the afternoon.

Defense is underwhelming! I can't believe JA went through multiple attorneys to land on THESE two. I don't know if they're underprepared or what but they're striking out every time...
if they read here, might I suggest "your honor, I have no questions for this witness." Just sit and wait until your case-in- chief and try to mitigate what you can. JMO IMO , I'm no verified professional.

I'm still trying to figure out how the lady attorney expected the bullet to defy physics and scoot around the brain so as not to go through it. :waitasec:


Juan is a champ. He may be representing the people of Arizona, but he's representing Travis so very well.

 

[lonetraveler]

They can discredit Det. Flores all they want, IMO, because his most important testimony at this point is re: his phone call w/Jodi Arias. That has all been recorded.

He could be a registered member of the Aryan Nations with an advanced case of Alzheimer's, and it wouldn't change that recorded phone call. MOO.

Well, FWIW, I can clearly remember a very famous case where the Lead detective's testimony was deemed tainted due to the defense making him into a liar and accusing him of planting evidence, resulting in a "not guilty" verdict. Yes, I'm talking about O.J. Simpson. With that verdict and the recent Casey Anthony verdict, nothing would surprise me.

 

[GobBluth]

The defense has no choice but to grasp at any technical straw to try to get their client the least punishment. I think the female defense lawyer does a terrible job (imo) but the guy doesn't really annoy me. He's very calm. Better than the dramatics put on by the infamous Mr. Baez.

I totally agree. The male defense atty is simply trying to poke holes anywhere he can in a rock solid case. He doesn't have any other choice, IMO. But he seems more professional and believable than the carnival con-man feel of Baez. He was so full of theatrics and manipulation, that I had a hard time respecting his point of view. I guess the jurors felt differently.

 

[jacct]

The defense has no choice but to grasp at any technical straw to try to get their client the least punishment. I think the female defense lawyer does a terrible job (imo) but the guy doesn't really annoy me. He's very calm. Better than the dramatics put on by the infamous Mr. Baez.

I think that all of the questioning of Det. Flores was to get a court record for appeal in the event that Jodi is found guilty and especially if she gets the DP. Without knowing the background the jury must have been very confused about what the argument was about.

 

[JSR]

I agree the defense is totally hanging on the gunshot happened first. Because it's a lot harder to believe that Travis was still mobile enough to come after her after the neck slitting. It's the only way to explain the overkill and make it seem even half way plausible that it was self defense. Which is why they fought so hard to get Dr. Horn to say that the bullet DIDN'T bass through the brain, which it did.

So basically I don't think it matters a hill of beans which happened first. Both the neck injury and the gunshot wound would have been enough to incapacitated him. So she either slit his throat as he was dying or dead or did it when she shot him. The evidence seems to point it was the gunshot that was inflicted while he was already dead.

 

[Curious Me]

A swab from the wall print turned out to have two DNA profiles, so a mixture of DNA of two people. The Major Contributor to the DNA from the wall print was...drumroll....Jodi Arias.
The Minor Contributor was Travis.

 

[Davia18]

my thinking is Jodi is having a hard time understanding the DNA

I think they are playing hangman.
JA keeps smirking :furious:

 

[popsicle]

geeze that tie looks like a piece of sizzle lean

 

[wenwe4]

Jodi Legg - Mesa - Criminal biology dept - DNA

she is a screener or seriologist - that person is the one who determines what evidence to take and then she has had further training for Dna analyst

BS - chemistry and biology classes post graduate - Cityof Mesa since 2004 - 15 years prior experience as a research chemist

everyone has dna . . . . there is only a part portion of dna that is completely unique to us. . . specific locations we look @ in forensic dna analysis - is just portion that differentiate cells between one person to another.

results look like graph peaks and numbers underneath. . . instrument provides the graphs and analyst looks @ numbers and graphs. . . 16 different locations - included with sex marker and 15 other markers. . . . results can be numerical

Profile is compilation of the numbers related to the peaks . . . locations on the chromosomes . . . each of us get dna from our parents - one from our Mom and one from Dad - if Parents are the same then same peaks . . . .still report the same locations - but the same peak . . . one with Mom and one with Dad. . . profile with the numbers matching with other numbers (ie: 12 & 12 vs 12 & 13) . . . .match or sorta match? . . . depends on other info you get from the numericals

If there are no other peaks present a known sample is a 12 & 13 and your unknown sample is a 13 & 14 - it would not be a match . . . a mixture of DNA can be differentiated between the different people

2 bucchol swabs known - 1 of Jodi and 1 of TA. . . . looked @ profile between two did not match each other . .. @ crime scene receive item #77 close to the wall......a swab from the wall with biological substance from which a profile was developed - a mixture of dna - compared to Travis Alexander's profile.

Mixture of dna - peaks which peaks are larger - who gave more dna to the profile than the other - a major profile can be picked out . . . that major profile matched JA and the minor one matched TA.

The quantitiy was higher is assumed because the peaks are higher -
there was not enough profile from Jodi or Travis to develop a full profile of each - but both dna was there

two pieces of hair submitted - one contained a root and and there was one that cut that wasn't containing root -

Piece out of the sink . . . a #39 something - refer to notes 32692-A . . . item #
hair - hair part but not the root -

the hair was cut into 2 sections - the one without root was TA
The one with root was id'd as Jodi

for hair - dna comes from root end only . . . . there is no neuclei in section of the hair with no root.

Substance on top of the hair - profile matched Travis
Root match Jodi

no further questions from anyone

 

[PASA]

Remember, she told Ryan that she drove and drove and drove, then pulled over and went to sleep. These receipts may show otherwise. About where she was when she called him, where she went as opposed to what she told him, etc.

I agree.

It tells me she took a pretty direct route (except the stop over in Monterey) from Yreka to Mesa.
Her story that she's an airhead and made wrong turn and drove for hours has been disproved by the receipts IMHO. :moo:

 

[popsicle]

what??? the weekend??? crap ola

 

[Davia18]

what??? the weekend??? crap ola

At least she will be stuck in a jail cell

 

[lonetraveler]

Been trying to catch up and this has most likely been pointed out already but doesn't Jodi appear to have light makeup on today? I think so.