Jodi Arias Trial Discussion #8 *may contain graphic and adult content*

[BritsKate]

Speaking from experience.., a time out during a trial your closely following is awful!!! I've found that if i type out what I want to say then delete before hitting send helps


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As long as they don't keep playing snippets of her police interview I might be okay. Gotta fight the urge not to throw something at my poor monitor every time.

Kiddos, hubby and dogs have learned not.to.come.near.me when they're playing. On the other hand my 'sailor speak' is becoming most accomplished.

 

[oceanblueeyes]

I don't know who provided that information to the Courts. That is why I am curious as to what EXACTLY the ME did say as far as the sequence.

Yes, it was just the theory of Flores but he is not a ME and the ME said the shot to the head was last.

He was very clear on what he based his expert opinion on.

IMO

 

[oceanblueeyes]

Being fit to stand trial and legal insanity are two different things.

Perhaps you are right but they do ascertain if the defendant knows right from wrong and can participate in their trial, right?

Isnt the knowing right from wrong the threshold and if they do then they are not deemed criminally insane?

 

[SDT]

Yes, it was just the theory of the Flores but he is not a ME and the ME said the shot to the head was last.

He was very clear on what he based his expert opinion on.

IMO

Good deal, I just wanted that clear in my head. Not that it matters all that much as to what sequence. What she did to his body was especially heinous.

 

[Linda7NJ]

Yes, it was just the theory of Flores but he is not a ME and the ME said the shot to the head was last.

He was very clear on what he based his expert opinion on.

IMO

I thought so.


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[oceanblueeyes]

Funny that altho the enquirer won't publish the letters, they'll tell us the naughty bits, lol!

I can totally see TA requesting her to wear 'boy briefs' (probably meant boy shorts, those tight boxers made for women that your cheeks hang out of) and also blowing him with his cufflinks visible. Meh. I bet he never wrote it down, but she did as if he did.

Hitting her in the face?? Hm.

What is sickening is she uses her own mother to put out her outlandish lies. She has no shame and will use anyone for her own personal gain.

 

[Linda7NJ]

Good deal, I just wanted that clear in my head. Not that it matters all that much as to what sequence. What she did to his body was especially heinous.

That's exactly how I feel. I dont care which one came first. To argue one way or the other seems silly. Either way no one is going to believe he didn't suffer enough!


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[Linda7NJ]

What is sickening is she uses her own mother to put out her outlandish lies. She has no shame and will use anyone for her own personal gain.

That's why people exist, they're only valuable at all if they are meeting her needs.




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[SDT]

That's exactly how I feel. I done care which one came first. To argue one way or the other seems silly. Either way no one is going to believe he didn't suffer enough!


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I agree! He was conscious at one point and aspirated onto the mirror and sink. He made his way out of that bathroom at one point and that alone gives me chills to think how much he suffered.

 

[CUCKOOHEAD]

A lot of times the person with the knife can get cut also because the kinife becomes slippery from the amount of blood on it. The hand will slip beyond the hilt and onto the blade. One of her cuts were right across where the finger bends where she would be grasping the knife.

I dont think he was trying to disarm her. I think he only had time to throw his hands and arms up trying to deflect some of the knife wounds. That is why he has defense wounds on his hands and wrists.imo.

IMO

I thought so too Ocean but then when Jodi showed the detective the injury to her fingers I couldn't understand it. If I saw it right her middle and ring finger were sliced, in the crease made by the knuckle. Why wouldn't her pointer finger be damaged when the knife slid back from the blood and cut her? IMO Travis may have deflected a blow with his hand and that caused the knife to slide back but the way I would hold a knife to stab someone either my pinkie is the first finger nearest the blade or my pointer and thumb is.

PS- Disclaimer I have never stabbed a person.

 

[CarolinaMoon]

As far as the letters are concerned, they were e-mailed to her lawyers or LE, IIRC. Now, they were handwritten letters, purportedly sent to Jodi. Why would Jodi not keep the originals? In court facsimiles are not acceptable evidence. When Jodi couldn't supply the originals for examination, the copies were analyzed by a professional who said they were forgeries. I think it's very possible that Jodi smuggled the originals out of jail and had someone copy them and send them to her lawyers or LE. I'm betting the originals would have been written on paper associated with the inmate and contained her fingerprints and/or DNA.

Aside from watching trials, I'm a fan of Judge Judy and other TV judges. More than once, some schlub has handed over copies of documents and she has refused to consider them. More than once, one of the parties has had the original, the other a copy. Guess how many times the copied documents had been altered? :waitasec:

 

[oceanblueeyes]

That's exactly how I feel. I dont care which one came first. To argue one way or the other seems silly. Either way no one is going to believe he didn't suffer enough!


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I think the more the DT agrues it the more the jury finds it insulting.

It doesnt matter which one came first..........it was overkill and nothing to do with self defense.

IMO

 

[kkdj]

Being fit to stand trial and legal insanity are two different things.

Consciousness of guilt is a biggie when talking about legal insanity. She planned, kept going at it, tried to clean up, set up an alibi, lied to LE, changed her stories, and whatever else I missed. You can bet she knew right from wrong!
Imo

 

[Linda7NJ]

I agree! He was conscious at one point and aspirated onto the mirror and sink. He made his way out of that bathroom at one point and that alone gives me chills to think how much he suffered.

Poor guy fought like hell to live! Crawling all the way to the bedroom while being repeated stabbed in the back and head....

Oh yeah, he suffered plenty!


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[Frigga]

Where can one find the information on the content of the 'letters'? TIA

 

[gitana1]

Perhaps you are right but they do ascertain if the defendant knows right from wrong and can participate in their trial, right?

Isnt the knowing right from wrong the threshold and if they do then they are not deemed criminally insane?

A person can understand right from wrong but be unfit to stand trial. A person can also be fit to stand trial but was legally insane when they committed the crime. This is not an opinion.

 

[hindsight2020]

I know Esteban Flores was "just" doing his job, but wow-- what an impressive interviewer! He is SOOO patient and unflappable. Calming voice, etc. Persistent-- will not let her get away with anything, won't let her wander or change the subject for very long. Doesn't insult her. Is not flippant, or pulling a power position. He affords her a respectful tone, but continues to circle back to "no, I don't believe that happened", "I want to sit here and get to the truth", etc. Keeps her talking-- doesn't intimidate her. He is just incredible to listen to. Very smart not to send in a woman to interview her, IMO. JA responded much better to a man, who she seemed to feel she could manipulate with her vulnerable/ innocent little girl persona.

We "the public" don't often get to hear/ see these kinds of professionals at work. I really hope Esteban Flores' superiors adequately appreciate him, and reward him with excellent performance reports!

If I could, I'd give him an extra 3-4 weeks paid vacation, as compensation for putting up with Jodi Arias' BS for so many hours! What an amazing professional! As awful as it is to listen to JA's BS, it is a pleasure to see an unflappable professional calmly in control of the direction of the conversation. He rocks!

I agree, he is gentle, calm and his tone of voice is consistent, even when asking firm questions during the interrogation.

 

[zoey]

I think the more the DT agrues it the more the jury finds it insulting.

It doesnt matter which one came first..........it was overkill and nothing to do with self defense.

IMO

She also said. Never taped me and good to her.

 

[Linda7NJ]

Where can one find the information on the content of the 'letters'? TIA

The links up thread


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[m00c0w]

I think the more the DT agrues it the more the jury finds it insulting.

It doesnt matter which one came first..........it was overkill and nothing to do with self defense.

IMO

I'm not saying I buy her story, but there are very clear cases over "overkill" in homicides that stem from battered spouse syndrome. They snap and want to make sure the other person never hurts them or anyone else again, plus the emotions involved...

Again, not saying this is what happened. Just saying it is possible based on the current defense narrative and I would not be surprised if this is the reason given by the defense.