Jodi Arias Trial: the weekend discussion

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  • #261
I understand that Travis alleged that JA had stolen his journals right about the same time she slashed his tires. I see in some of the official docs that JA was trying to have 'journals' admitted, and it appeared to be also around the same time as the alleged letters written by TA (found to be JA's handwriting). Looks like the journals will not be part of the trial, but wonder where there are? And I wonder what they say?

I was wondering about the journals yesterday :)

IMO, the journals must have had entries that painted JA in a bad light. Show she stole them. I also believe its possible she used them in an attempt to copy Travis handwriting for the fake letters.

IMO, she had been planning his murder for months.




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It's one thing to stab him in rage, but then the cold calculation of moving him around!

I wonder if she is on drugs in jail to keep her on an even keel?

It just boggles me how she is so calm

I know right? I would not want to even be hanging around a dead body or the bloody scene after I had just done that. Plus I would be shaking like crazy afterwards...for a long while I would think. So when the police questioned me it would be so obvious that I did this no matter what lie I told. Also my tears in court would be real, I would be bawling like a baby looking at those pictures!
 
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I know right? I would not want to even be hanging around a dead body or the bloody scene after I had just done that. Plus I would be shaking like crazy afterwards...for a long while I would think. So when the police questioned me it would be so obvious that I did this no matter what lie I told. Also my tears in court would be real, I would be bawling like a baby looking at those pictures!

You have a conscience! Jodi doesn't.


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  • #265
Didn't Jodi record a phone sex conversation where it was discussed ...a lot ?


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Hopefully we wil at least learn who initiated the calls. I am betting it wasn't Travis.
 
  • #266
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Originally Posted by mrsu
I am not believing that this all happened in a little over a minute's time. I don't mean to offend, but I don't believe the last shot is of Jodi dragging Travis. I just don't see it possible with the amount of stab wounds, and struggling, and him getting down the hall. I think the photo that they think happened during the dragging is simply after Travis fell to the ground, perhaps after leaning over the sink. JMO

It makes me sick to think that Jodi is probably sitting back thinking "they have no idea what they are talking about." Since she admitted to self defense and we know she did it, I wonder if the true nature of when these inadvertent images were snapped will ever be revealed?

Unbelievable but true....the time stamps prove it. If you look at the amount of blood running over TA's shoulder to his back in that pic, you can tell it's not just after the initial attack. It looks to me like that was after his throat was slit, and the stab wounds came before that fatal injury according to the ME.

I agree with mrsu

I dont see how it would be possible for her to attack him and kill him in a minute and a half or so..... just because there is a picture that was snapped during the attack and then another a minute and a half later seeming to show her dragging him, doesnt mean the first pic was the picture taken at the time that attack started - does that make sense? And werent there SEVERAL unintended pics snapped at that time? :waitasec:

OK - so imagine - she stabs him while he is in the shower, he walks to to sink, coughing and asperating blood all over, she is behind him stabbing, turns around to try to push her away (where he gets his defensive wounds on his hands). He falls to the ground and starts to crawl for the door, she is behind him (on top - in a standing/straddled position) stabbing him along the way. He reaches the carpet and the slits his throat. Therefore his head would be facing the room and feet to the bathroom. She would have flip him over (back to front) and turn him (head toward bathroom as opposed toward bedroom) around to start dragging him back into the bathroom. As the position of the "dragging picture" is assumed to be her walking toward the camera (back into the bathroom) as opposed to away (into the bedroom). :what:

Am I making any sense?

My point is, all that would take longer than 1.5 minutes..... even for the most agile person. He was not a small guy, and yes it is said she is "stronger than she looks" but Im confident that all this took longer than 1.5 minutes. JMO :twocents:

Sorry if I am not making sense. I went over it in my head last night, even pulled DH into a reinactment.... (he wasnt thrilled LOL)
 
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Hopefully we wil at least learn who initiated the calls. I am betting it wasn't Travis.

I know a lot of the evidence didn't get in..I will say I heard because I don't want to search for links I have things to get done today. Anyhow, I am wondering not just how much of the texts, emails, vm etc but the basis for excluding what is not coming in.
 
  • #268
I think Travis was not meeting his own standards.

That is certainly how he treated Jodi. He felt her unworthy even though he engaged in the same activities with her. The double standard.

She is beyond despicable, but to paint him in glowing terms is not fair

I agree Travis was not a saint. In fact, I've said several times he (and Arias) were 2 flawed human beings. And then she went from flawed all the way to crazy town psycho. You won't find me putting anyone on a pedestal. Yes, how Travis and Jodi interacted and treated each other is a part of this case.

What isn't a part of this case (and I was trying to make this point) is how anyone else feels about sex in general, or TA's/JA's sex life specifically, including what they did and didn't choose to do, and all the other kinds of projections that are going on. If one is disgusted by the details of TA's/JA's sex lives then perhaps this is not the case to follow. I can't help but get a visual of Dana Carvey's "Church Lady" when I see such projections.
 
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Posted on https://www.facebook.com/groups/33785181856/ Travis's sister

Tanisha Sorenson
please come and sit right behind us, ill make sure they dont move you, since thats what they keep doing, and it pisses me off cause unless we know who you are, theyre making everyone move from travis side to jodis side of court and then itt looks like more people are there for jodi and not for travis, but if i reconize you, i can tell them your traviss friend but if i dont know whos who then i cant tell them that there with us, but i knoew what you look like amber so ii will be able to have you and whoever comes with you sit righht behind us.:))
Wednesday at 9:00pm via mobile · 1

sad

When was there they weren't putting anyone, anywhere. I sat wherever I wanted and I could have moved if I'd wanted. There was no one telling anyone where to sit. Maybe they do in the morning, idk. That said, if they are doing that at any time, it's most likely the media peeps wanting to show a full house. The camera is on Jodi a lot, so it would make sense the media wants people seated in that camera angle. Most of the back rows of the gallery behind Travis' family is media and afaict, most of the people on Jodi's side are 🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬 (like me!) with no connection to either side
 
  • #270
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Originally Posted by mrsu
I am not believing that this all happened in a little over a minute's time. I don't mean to offend, but I don't believe the last shot is of Jodi dragging Travis. I just don't see it possible with the amount of stab wounds, and struggling, and him getting down the hall. I think the photo that they think happened during the dragging is simply after Travis fell to the ground, perhaps after leaning over the sink. JMO

It makes me sick to think that Jodi is probably sitting back thinking "they have no idea what they are talking about." Since she admitted to self defense and we know she did it, I wonder if the true nature of when these inadvertent images were snapped will ever be revealed?



I agree with mrsu

I dont see how it would be possible for her to attack him and kill him in a minute and a half or so..... just because there is a picture that was snapped during the attack and then another a minute and a half later seeming to show her dragging him, doesnt mean the first pic was the picture taken at the time that attack started - does that make sense? And werent there SEVERAL unintended pics snapped at that time? :waitasec:

OK - so imagine - she stabs him while he is in the shower, he walks to to sink, coughing and asperating blood all over, she is behind him stabbing, turns around to try to push her away (where he gets his defensive wounds on his hands). He falls to the ground and starts to crawl for the door, she is behind him (on top - in a standing/straddled position) stabbing him along the way. He reaches the carpet and the slits his throat. Therefore his head would be facing the room and feet to the bathroom. She would have flip him over (back to front) and turn him (head toward bathroom as opposed toward bedroom) around to start dragging him back into the bathroom. As the position of the "dragging picture" is assumed to be her walking toward the camera (back into the bathroom) as opposed to away (into the bedroom). :what:

Am I making any sense?

My point is, all that would take longer than 1.5 minutes..... even for the most agile person. He was not a small guy, and yes it is said she is "stronger than she looks" but Im confident that all this took longer than 1.5 minutes. JMO :twocents:

Sorry if I am not making sense. I went over it in my head last night, even pulled DH into a reinactment.... (he wasnt thrilled LOL)

The whole attack on Nicole Brown Simpson and Ron Goldman didn't take long either and they showed that with a computer demonstrated re-enactment. If you sit and watch the clock for a minute and a half it is longer than is realized and when you are slipping in blood the deed is easier than you realize too. jmo
 
  • #271
When was there they weren't putting anyone, anywhere. I sat wherever I wanted and I could have moved if I'd wanted. There was no one telling anyone where to sit. Maybe they do in the morning, idk. That said, if they are doing that at any time, it's most likely the media peeps wanting to show a full house. The camera is on Jodi a lot, so it would make sense the media wants people seated in that camera angle. Most of the back rows of the gallery behind Travis' family is media and afaict, most of the people on Jodi's side are 🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬 (like me!) with no connection to either side

That is her perspective. I am sure she is more sensitive to that as I know I would be.
 
  • #272
That is her perspective. I am sure she is more sensitive to that as I know I would be.

No doubt. Just sayin' I don't think that's what's really happening.
 
  • #273
When was there they weren't putting anyone, anywhere. I sat wherever I wanted and I could have moved if I'd wanted. There was no one telling anyone where to sit. Maybe they do in the morning, idk. That said, if they are doing that at any time, it's most likely the media peeps wanting to show a full house. The camera is on Jodi a lot, so it would make sense the media wants people seated in that camera angle. Most of the back rows of the gallery behind Travis' family is media and afaict, most of the people on Jodi's side are 🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬 (like me!) with no connection to either side

I couldn't/ wouldn't sit on her side.


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  • #274
I have to weigh in here.. bbm - I think there's a larger societal problem at play where it's very, very difficult for us as a society to accept men as potential victims on any level. This starts from a young age with little boys who are often taught to be tough and instead are programmed not to ever show weakness or vulnerability.

The idea that a grown man could possibly be a victim of any kind of abuse at the hands of a woman is not something we are comfortable with, accept, or understand.

IMO this is quite universal, and the cycle is very dangerous. There is stigma and shame for boys and men in coming forward and admitting fear, asking for help, etc. It stays quiet and we don't know it's real so we continue to deny its real. Whether its silent, veiled threats or stalking or physical abuse -- men can be victims as much as women can be. But if heaven forbid they end up murdered, the woman pretty much has a guarenteed automatic excuse that she herself was being abused by the man, and our culture is prone to give her the benefit of the doubt, assuming the man must have been somehow contributing to the problem.



In no way am I suggesting that Travis wasn't enjoying himself. He was honest with himself and with others. The defense is saying he was a hypocritical phony Mormon man portraying himself to be virtuous while living a sinful existence with Jodi. However I think he made it very clear to JA and everyone else what their "relationship" was and what it was not. Travis was clear and Jodi was clear and that was the problem. Travis wasn't conflicted.

He was inexperienced sexually, she seemingly was not and she was probably a "good time"... he had a good time with her. He knew and made it apparent she was NOT marriage material. He wanted more out of a partner in life and wanted to pursue bigger, better things.

As a normal 30-year old man, he probably couldn't have expected this crazy you-know-what who was stalking him and became obsessed to escalate. Frankly, I don't know how many men would recognize the signs of a truly dangerous woman and would know how to properly react in an appropriate reaction. I'm sure Travis NEVER thought the girl who slashed his tires would end up slaughtering him. Just because she didn't leave him bruised and battered doesn't mean she did damage to him.

One more thing - psychopaths of either gender are incredibly calculating and deceptive. Even trained professionals who specialize in psychopathy can have difficulty recognizing a dangerous psychopath behind their charm and manipulation. So to say that Travis must have been on an ego trip, stupid, or wanting sex actually fits perfectly with JA being a psychopath as they know what their victim is vulnerable to and they exploit that to the max and then go in for the kill (literally, in this case), finally disposing of the person who is no longer of use to them.

That's about all. I've lost my train of thought!

Im trying to catch up but hitting the 'Thanks' button just wasnt enough.

If this victim had been a female instead of a male then the sex would be looked at quite differently and would then be because she was fearful or coerced into doing something she really didnt want to do, imo. And that is sad and society needs to quit promoting the notion that men cant be in the same very dangerous abusive situations females find themselves in. That is one of the very reasons males are the least likely to report abuse. Why would they? More often than not no one believes them simply because they happened to be larger than the dangerous female abuser.

One of our friends was emotionally and physically abused by his petite wife for over 20 years. He was 6'4" and weighed over 200 pounds. He hid it from everyone. Always having an excuse over and over again why he had large bruises or cuts. He said she demanded sex when she wanted it and he said he would do anything to appease her so that she would not fly into a rage.

Only after she poured scalding hot water on him that sent him the the hospital did he open up to LE..his family and friends to what he had long endured. His reasoning for protecting her all those years? He felt the court would not believe him and award her custody of their children. Sound familiar? Both abused men and women wrestle with the same fears. Yet thank God he was wrong and the Judge did just that and for once he and his children could be happy and at ease.

IMO
 
  • #275
I couldn't/ wouldn't sit on her side. I'm just weird that way.

If they were moving people, I agree it was a media move to make it appear that witch has support.

No offense to actual good witches;)


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  • #276
OT- On the last thread posters were having fun with some of the good looking witnesses from this trial.

One case I followed was the Conrad Murray trial. Talk about good looks. The two cardiologists called by the Prosecution were brainy and good looking. If I ever needed heart surgery I wanted to go there to be operated on. And the Prosecutor himself, good looking, sharp dresser and mind like Big Blue the IBM computer. Someone even put a video of him together...

http://radaronline.com/exclusives/2...a-david-walgren-bringing-sexy-back-courtroom/

Now back to catching up on posts.
 
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I hope someone can clear something up for me. The same day after he testified, Ryan Burns, showed up on the Nancy Grace show. Did the court release him from further testimony? I thought I remember that if the witness was subject to recall the person had to maintain their silence until the trial was over. Is that no longer true?
 
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