Jodi Arias Trial: the weekend discussion

[belladonna]

My question is.....When TA read his really strong email to Jody to his friend ......and his friends response was "aren't you afraid she will hurt you?" That was one week before he was murdered......Why would he let her in his house and have sex after he sent something so final & nasty to her?

 

[Sweetiemom]

Just noticed that the photo of the closeup of his face shows he was covered with something that looks knitted??

I think it is just that the picture appears to have been blown up-that would account for the grainy pattern on his poor face.

 

[Karmady]

I hope someone can clear something up for me. The same day after he testified, Ryan Burns, showed up on the Nancy Grace show. Did the court release him from further testimony? I thought I remember that if the witness was subject to recall the person had to maintain their silence until the trial was over. Is that no longer true?

He left after his testimony and the woman sitting next to me practically broke her neck to get into the hall as soon as he exited. I assume she was media. Ryan wasn't in the hallway after that, while the other witnesses remained even after they had testified once or twice -- the fingerprint woman, for example. If he lef the courthouse, he must have been excused. So I'm guessing he was done at that point.

 

[Isabelle]

My question is.....When TA read his really strong email to Jody to his friend ......and his friends response was "aren't you afraid she will hurt you?" That was one week before he was murdered......Why would he let her in his house and have sex after he sent something so final & nasty to her?

We don't really know that "he let her in his house". Not sure what they did, or circumstances under which the sexual pics were taken, but I would wonder if Travis was being forced to perform or else? We only have Jodi's side of the story.

 

[Isabelle]

I think it is just that the picture appears to have been blown up-that would account for the grainy pattern on his poor face.

Look at the area under the person's hand and look to the area where the right side of his head is laying. Near the head it looks like something with a stripe on it??

ETA: The upper left area near the wall where the floor meets wall, texture looks different. Maybe LE covered him our of respect while the continued their investigation. That would make sense.

 

[SDT]

I realize I am alone with a few exceptions in this forum in thinking this, but in no way, until she murdered him, was Travis a victim of Jodie.

He was an adult, a marketeer, a persuasive man who made choices. And he made a choice that he wanted to continue to have her as his sexual partner, in secret only, while maintaining his "motivational/inspirational speaker" hypocritical Mormon life. He was concerned with status, making as much money as possible, and finding an "appropriate wife" asap, because at his age, his time for marriage was running out per the Mormon point of view. He wanted both lives and pursued both.

He was in constant contact, I believe the evidence will show, via texts, phone calls, and emails after their official "break up."

I won't belabor this, as it will come out in the trial, if they get that far. But I just can't stand by while everyone holds him up as "poor abused Travis, she was an aggressor and called the shots." (NO PUNS INTENDED). He invited her and waited up for her until 4 or 5AM while she drove from CA that night. He didn't say "WTH are you doing here?" She was welcomed in and they had lots of sex. He didn't say "I don't want anything to do with you." He said "I wanna take dirty pix of you and do you lots of different ways." And he did. And then most likely: "no, I'm not taking you to Cancun."

She DID take control at the end, but tragically, in the worst way. We know what happened when she did. But I suggest it was due to pent up rage because of the anger she felt about being treated in a degrading manner by TA (and yes, she had choices, too, but she made bad ones). That rage, in an apparently already unstable person, finally blew up and resulted in this tragedy. Probably.

Let me say again, to fend off the attacks that will result from this post: He did NOT deserve to be killed or even injured. But for goodness sake, he was a very active participant in their highly dysfunctional relationship, and we will soon hear more about it from the defense. Unless the defense decides to give up the self-defense strategy and agree to a plea deal, which I think is highly unlikely.

Exactly, my thoughts as well. Let me explain something I am not too proud of and share the inside of being a woman that desperately loved a man that did this EXACT same thing:

I fell in love with a jerk about 6 years ago this week. He was very outgoing and had lots of girls that would text him constantly. At first, I trusted that he was just a friendly guy and it was only friend chatter. One day, one of the girlfriends of my ex's best friend took pity on me and told me he was actaully seeing other girls every chance he got behind my back. I found myself checking his texts, driving by his house when he said he was at a "meeting" just to see if he was lying. I guess you could say I kinda stalked him while we were dating trying to protect my interests.

We would break up constantly as a result of my "trust issues" and then get back together because he loved me so much and couldn't let me go for good. Here is where the TA and JA relationship intersect my own.....he told all of his friends we weren't together, that I was bothering him and wouldn't let him go, yada,yada,yada. When I finally found out that he was saying these things and I was being bamboozled, I got the courage to walk away.

I know what it is like to deeply love someone and find out later that you are only being used for their benefit. It was a terrible feeling. I regret having checked his phone or driving by his house to check on him. I realize now that is not okay.

JA has mental health issues and TA never really knew what he was dealing with. He never deserved to die like he did and I really believe that we will see he didn't try to push her away like his friends think he did.

I am not blaming the victim since he probably had ZERO idea what he was doing when he would push her away only to invite her back to take naughty pictures. Murder is never okay in my book and I do believe that JA planned this murder after she realized that she would never truly have TA.

 

[CUCKOOHEAD]

So cool!!!!



Was it just to establish a timeline and maybe set up how she planned and how cooly she went about her business after hacking someone to death?



BTW, my theory on the KY? She was using sex and thus wasn't really, sexually excited. It was a tool for her and since she wasn't really feeling it, she needed KY.



The girl he was going to Cancun with was not, apparently, going to share a room with him. In fact, it doesn't appear that he had ever had sex with anyone but Arias.

To me, that makes him somewhat more naive than other guys that age, or at least more easy to, yes, manipulate with sex. See, if he had never had it, he likely found it like a drug - very very difficult to say no to or deny, even when he knew he wasn't supposed to per his religion. Don't get me wrong. I'm not saying he couldn't control himself as someone accused me of believing. He had a definite choice and he made his decision. But I can see a 30 year old guy just having sex for the first time finding that act extremely enticing and desirable.

In any event, he was the inexperienced one of the two. He was the guy raised sheltered by grandma during his formative years, in the Mormon faith. I can esaily see a guy like that underestimating the danger of a woman like Arias. I can see a guy like that not really understanding "crazy" and ignoring any subconscious warnings for the sake of indulging in sex.

At the same time, I see Arias, based on the murder and her later interviews with media and LE, as a cunning, calculating fraud, a manipulative sociopath who is well able to pick her victims and knows exactly what to do with her prey once it's caught. I think he could have been easily manipulated by her to some degree.

Agree totally. I also think JA and CA, for that matter, were basically lazy. Neither wanted to work for their own living. Jodi must have felt like she hit the mother lode with Mormon men. Inexperienced in sexual matters - so the guy had nothing to compare her prowess to, seeking marriage and a family - taking care of the woman which fit into their plan perfectly and goal driven - big house, nice cars, good food and travel, perfect for JA.

In that last photo taken of Travis Alexander I saw sadness, unhappiness that he can't even take a shower without her wanting in on him.

 

[norest4thewicked]

I don't know if anyone has posted this previously, but I'm going to post it again since the pages fly past at a pretty fast pace. This is a video of Travis at a PPL meeting less than a month before he was murdered. I was really touched by hearing his voice and listening to the high spirit that he seems to have. He was quite a comedian and it really made him even more human to see him this way.

[video=youtube;-UyfUTacziI]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-UyfUTacziI[/video]

 

[smokey]

Here's video of the mistrial request:

Mistrial hearing part 1 - YouTube

There's also a part 2 under the same link.

Melanie

Thank You so much...i had to be away yesterday and missed the end of trial and the mistrial motion but now i can get up to speed!
Can you post part 2...i dont see it under video box

TIA

 

[kkdj]

Graphic photos.... Scroll all the way down. Look at photo 3

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/01/09/jodi-arias-trial-ryan-burns_n_2442048.html#slide=1946611

Heartbreaking.
Very very difficult to look at. I can only imagine what his family is going thru with this trial. It's so awful!

 

[Melanie]

Thank You so much...i had to be away yesterday and missed the end of trial and the mistrial motion but now i can get up to speed!
Can you post part 2...i dont see it under video box

TIA

Here is part 2:

[video=youtube;b_JF-xXli-M]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b_JF-xXli-M&list=PLXrU2QitfBzreoApQiqTQfsTdwi2ARuRx[/video]

 

[Isabelle]

Does anyone here believe Travis invited Jodi to his home and willingly let her in on the day of his death?

 

[rmt]

It's been proposed on Facebook that she went through Monterrey, CA to visit her old boyfriend. He lives there. Is that where she got the money for several deposits into her bank?

http://on.fb.me/TP6CPr

 

[SDT]

IMHO...I do believe he did. I do think he would get tired of her shenanigans and tell her to piss off, only to invite her back again and again.

I don't like having to type it, but I have seen it happen to myself and other friends. TA is the victim, nbo doubt. I just don't think he really knew what he was dealing with when it came to JA.

 

[Snoopy1]

IMHO...I do believe he did. I do think he would get tired of her shenanigans and tell her to piss off, only to invite her back again and again.

I don't like having to type it, but I have seen it happen to myself and other friends. TA is the victim, nbo doubt. I just don't think he really knew what he was dealing with when it came to JA.

I agree. He had no idea what he was dealing with.

 

[LostOldUserName]

Look at the area under the person's hand and look to the area where the right side of his head is laying. Near the head it looks like something with a stripe on it??

ETA: The upper left area near the wall where the floor meets wall, texture looks different. Maybe LE covered him our of respect while the continued their investigation. That would make sense.

The cup?

 

[trigger]

A link to that particular photo was posted here yesterday.
Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community - View Single Post - Jodi Arias Trial discussion, #2

Sorry For reposting. So sad.

 

[SDT]

My question is.....When TA read his really strong email to Jody to his friend ......and his friends response was "aren't you afraid she will hurt you?" That was one week before he was murdered......Why would he let her in his house and have sex after he sent something so final & nasty to her?

Because my ex did the same thing to me ALL THE TIME. He would send me nasty texts and say he was done...only to turn around a few days later to say that he missed me and he wanted to see me. I would go running back like a complete fool every time.

I don't think TA abused her, but I think he played games with her. This is all my opinion only.

 

[Isabelle]

I have a feeling that Jodi ambushed Travis on the day he was killed.

 

[belladonna]

Does anyone here believe Travis invited Jodi to his home and willingly let her in on the day of his death?

Until someone mentioned that he may have been at gun point the whole time ...but i seriously doubt that ... they slept, had sex twice... took photos..
I believe he let her in willingly... not even realizing what she was capable of doing...