Jodi Arias Trial: the weekend discussion

[norest4thewicked]

As a woman I am saddened that TA said that he did not respect JA because she did not respect herself.

She was good enough to have the most intimate of acts, but that was it. That is not respecting her as a real live person. It really bothers me especially if he said that she looked at him like a dildo.

Although really I am not sure what she has in the line of those human feelings. Nevertheless, people have talked about their abusive relationships . But the people on here who kept going back had love in mind. Love and hope.

I just feel icky when I read how he thought about her.

Believe me, I think she should be in prison forever. But I do not like when men say things like that about women but continue to have sex with them.

Use a rubber doll, is what I think.

So, Jodi Arias deserves respect? :what:

 

[ATasteOfHoney]

Didnt the defense say in their OS that two minutes after the shower picture was taken is when he was killed?

Imo, he saw his life flashing before his eyes.

imo

Can someone please post or privately pm me the pic? I have not seen it and I am curious about the look. Poor guy....

 

[Isabelle]

I think PPL was a major reason TA didn't want to involve authorities regarding JA's actions. I also think JA had TA by the you know whats!

 

[TorisMom003]

Imagine this..........you are home alone and go to sleep. You know that there is no one else in your house with you (gf/bf that you have/had a relationship with). While you are sound asleep someone sneaks into your house, gets undressed and slips into bed with you. While you are still sound asleep that someone proceeds to get you "excited". They then straddle you and begin having sex with you. You begin to wake up but think that it is a dream. You then realize that it is not a dream and that you are in fact having sex with someone that was not there when you went to sleep. Do you make the person stop and get ticked off or do you "go with the flow"? Do you consider this to be abuse? Do you feel violated?

Do we know if Jodi has ever done this to Travis? Would Jodi even admit to it if she had? Do we think that it is possible that Jodi has done this?

There are so many unknowns when it comes to whatever kind of relationship Jodi and Travis had and we only have the word of a liar as to what actually happened. Travis was killed by Jodi so he can no longer speak for himself or defend himself. Jodi has every reason to try and paint Travis in the worst possible light, it helps her case and may prevent her from being put to death. I, personally, refuse to look at Travis as an abuser of any sort without some sort of solid proof and Jodi's word is in no way shape or form proof.

MOO

 

[LotusPawprint]

So the DT will be calling a domestic violence expert that will be talking about how subtle abuse can be and that it doesn't have to be physical in nature. Why Jodi would have kept going back to an abusive relationship and doing whatever Travis wanted sexually to keep him happy.

I hope the Prosecution has one of these experts lined up as well to explain how their relationship does not fit a domestic violence relationship unless you look at Jodi stalking Travis and showing up at his house etc. I am afraid this is an uphill battle for the Pros. and hope the jury is not caught up in an expert's theoretical statements.

First, thanks for all of your notes from trial yesterday.


I also agree with the above.
If the defense is going to try arguing some subtle, abstract "abuse" perpetrated by Travis against Jodi (manipulating his actual words and actions), there absolutely needs to be an expert testifying for the prosecution to explain JA's "behavior". Especially since it's so hard for many folks to see a man as a victim in a domestic relationship and some jurors may think TA was provoking something hostile in JA.

 

[rmt]

Imagine this..........you are home alone and go to sleep. You know that there is no one else in your house with you (gf/bf that you have/had a relationship with). While you are sound asleep someone sneaks into your house, gets undressed and slips into bed with you. While you are still sound asleep that someone proceeds to get you "excited". They then straddle you and begin having sex with you. You begin to wake up but think that it is a dream. You then realize that it is not a dream and that you are in fact having sex with someone that was not there when you went to sleep. Do you make the person stop and get ticked off or do you "go with the flow"? Do you consider this to be abuse? Do you feel violated?

Do we know if Jodi has ever done this to Travis? Would Jodi even admit to it if she had? Do we think that it is possible that Jodi has done this?

There are so many unknowns when it comes to whatever kind of relationship Jodi and Travis had and we only have the word of a liar as to what actually happened. Travis was killed by Jodi so he can no longer speak for himself or defend himself. Jodi has every reason to try and paint Travis in the worst possible light, it helps her case and may prevent her from being put to death. I, personally, refuse to look at Travis as an abuser of any sort without some sort of solid proof and Jodi's word is in no way shape or form proof.

MOO

We can hope text messages and emails will elucidate the relationship

 

[Sulamith]

So, Jodi Arias deserves respect? :what:

IMO, Of course JA does not deserve respect now. But she sure did when TA was bedding her.

 

[tsitra01]

Yeah, and it kinda sounds like he and she were 'playing' on the edge with their private lives. Passion, jealousy, sex 'games', anal sex (which definately can be construed as demeaning) and oral sex at least on him (also can be construed as demeaning)... potentially explosive stuff.

Yes, but we have to remember, this is all coming from her and her DT and she is a proven liar.

 

[popsicle]

Imagine this..........you are home alone and go to sleep. You know that there is no one else in your house with you (gf/bf that you have/had a relationship with). While you are sound asleep someone sneaks into your house, gets undressed and slips into bed with you. While you are still sound asleep that someone proceeds to get you "excited". They then straddle you and begin having sex with you. You begin to wake up but think that it is a dream. You then realize that it is not a dream and that you are in fact having sex with someone that was not there when you went to sleep. Do you make the person stop and get ticked off or do you "go with the flow"? Do you consider this to be abuse? Do you feel violated?

Do we know if Jodi has ever done this to Travis? Would Jodi even admit to it if she had? Do we think that it is possible that Jodi has done this?

There are so many unknowns when it comes to whatever kind of relationship Jodi and Travis had and we only have the word of a liar as to what actually happened. Travis was killed by Jodi so he can no longer speak for himself or defend himself. Jodi has every reason to try and paint Travis in the worst possible light, it helps her case and may prevent her from being put to death. I, personally, refuse to look at Travis as an abuser of any sort without some sort of solid proof and Jodi's word is in no way shape or form proof.

MOO

This is why I think his journals are missing. jmo I also think the above scenario is possible and probable and that afterwards TA did feel violated and abused. jmo

 

[bobloblaw]

IMO, Of course JA does not deserve respect now. But she sure did when TA was bedding her.

I thought she was bedding him. But that wouldn't fit the narrative of the poor helpless female would it?

 

[Linda7NJ]

Where exactly is that...? I read the whole page with the photo and didn't see it... TIA

I can't seem to be able to c & p it.

Basically she knew Travis, since distanced herself from PPL for personal reasons. Didn't find out until a year after his death that he died. Regretted not being able to attend the memorial. Shared a story about the two of them being victims of an armed robbery. They both had guns pointed at their heads and he looked her in the eyes and told her he wouldn't let anything bad happen to her, that she would be okay. She'll never forget him, misses him etc..,


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[Summerfun]

I know I will get lambasted for this, but Travis did not respect her, he used her as a sex toy that you play with, and when you are done put it back in the toy box.

He never loved her, and certainly never wanted to marry her. But he continued to have sex with her , even though he supposedly told everyone he knew that she was crazy, and was going to kill him.

If those are really your true feelings, stop having sex with her. Easy, problem solved.

Don't string somebody along.

I think the defense would have presented a much better case if they used mentally abused instead of self defence.

Mary Winkler shot her husband in bed, took the kids to Disneyland, like nothing happened and she is a free woman now.

 

[LotusPawprint]

As a woman I am saddened that TA said that he did not respect JA because she did not respect herself.

She was good enough to have the most intimate of acts, but that was it. That is not respecting her as a real live person. It really bothers me especially if he said that she looked at him like a dildo.

Although really I am not sure what she has in the line of those human feelings. Nevertheless, people have talked about their abusive relationships . But the people on here who kept going back had love in mind. Love and hope.

I just feel icky when I read how he thought about her.

Believe me, I think she should be in prison forever. But I do not like when men say things like that about women but continue to have sex with them.

Use a rubber doll, is what I think.

I'm with you on healthy and respectful relationships (of course!).


However, I have never heard that Travis and JA's relationship including their sexual interaction was anything but consensual. To me it seems like they both willingly and eagerly engaged in role play, picture taking and other dirty activities. JA seems she was both an aggressor and a submissive -- and she can certainly use both of those sexual roles now in her defense.

We'll never get the truth from Jodi if she had a foul sexual mouth and initiated the other half of conversations some find so repulsive on Travis' part unless those emails and texts were saved. Personally I don't think JA had a problem with the kinky part of their interaction, she just wanted the long term commitment too.

 

[norest4thewicked]

IMO, Of course JA does not deserve respect now. But she sure did when TA was bedding her.

Wow...I couldn't disagree with you more.

 

[TorisMom003]

I thought she was bedding him. But that wouldn't fit the narrative of the poor helpless female would it?

Agreed.

So we have a female that claims that her ex (Travis) was abusive to her and she was afraid of him. Yet this same female makes plans to visit a potential love interest in another state, rents a car 90 miles away from her home, dyes her hair a different color after she rents the car, drives 1000 miles to the home of the ex making sure that she leaves no "proof" of this trip once she arrives in his home state, has sex (supposedly) with the ex even taking pictures of it, stabs the ex 28 times, slashes his throat to the point he is almost decapitated, shoots him in the head, cleans up some of the crime scene and deletes photos taken of her time there, then proceeds to drive to the home (in another state) of a potential love interest and spend time with him while showing NO signs that anything wrong has happened or that she was in a fight for her life.

Now, someone help me out here. What part of the above proves even one thing that Jodi has claimed? Just one little thing. What part of the above proves that this was pre-meditated murder? Imo, ALL of it points to pre-meditation and NONE of it points to proof of anything that Jodi has said other than she killed him.

MOO

 

[gngr~snap]

Jodi Arias told the lead detective investigating Travis Alexander’s death that she knew her relationship with him wasn’t going anywhere.

“We weren’t exactly on the path to marriage, and we both knew that,” said Arias.
http://www.hlntv.com/article/2013/01/09/arias-alexander-and-i-werent-path-marriage

I am just shaking my head here. :furious:
Clearly she knew she on the path to marriage!
The future groom was murdered...
BY HER!

:twocents:

 

[Summerfun]

Hi Human

When I read that I took it as he did not respect her not that he disrespected her. There is a difference in my eyes.

What is the difference there? He did not respect her, same as disrespected her.

 

[tsitra01]

I would not believe anything JA or her DT say. She has lied as badly as Casey A. And from what I am seeing .......the more shocking the lies, the better results for the Defendant

 

[iluvmua]

I heard that PPL is a scam, Did Travis know this?

I tried to find the Op of the autopsy picture but I didn't want to keep on going back page after page etc. in order to find it.

someone posted on MDS, out of ALL the 12,000 death entries this could be one of the most crazy. (I def. agree with them).

 

[Linda7NJ]

What is the difference there? He did not respect her, same as disrespected her.

No it isn't.

I interact with people outside of my home on almost a daily basis. I don't respect everyone I meet, I know people I have zero respect for..., yet I outwardly do not disrespect them. Distance myself from yes, I try. I had a boss I thought to be a complete and total a$$, I never once disrespected him... To his face anyway


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