Jodi Arias Trial: the weekend discussion

[PrincessSezMe]

I don't mean to belabor this to death, but those pics that were posted on photobucket had to be illicit if you know what I mean. No ME is going to provide their staff access to information through such a medium. I think that, perhaps, those photos were put there by someone who gained access to them illegally, and is going to use them for posting on one of those gore sights like Bestgore.com, or parade them around the internet on other sights like the death photos of Eric Harris and Dylan Kleybold. Does anyone here think this should be reported to AZ LE for follow up?

Something just isn't right about it. The fact that they were taken down so quickly puts up red flags to me.

 

[borndem]

Reading the link together with the public records, Travis bought the home new in 2004 for $249,9k and financed 100% of the purchase price in two separate notes. In 2007, he re-fi'd, increasing the total mortgage to $336k --about $31k less than the zillow "value" of the home at that time. At the time of the re-fi, the re market was already on the steady decline, though.

It was foreclosed after he died and was re-sold, presumbaly by the bank in 2009 (although I didn't look at those records).

eta: at the time of his death, the house was worth (according to Zillow) almost exactly what he owed on it.

bbm
Thanks, Karmady, for the info. It's sad, sad, sad.

The bbm words are such a sad commentary, seems to me -- it's just another one of those things that people don't often think about when someone dies (and in light of how he died, I guess it's a low item on our lists of things to think about, as well). Of course it had to eventually be foreclosed -- he didn't have a spouse or a partner who would continue to make payments, etc., and I imagine he was always on time with his payments, thinking of ways to improve it, making sure things were working properly, etc., etc., and he is killed in 3 horribly brutal and evil ways, and now his house is no longer part of him or his estate.

Excuse me for going on about this; it's just another casualty of the diabolical doings of that woman who had to have him, and couldn't, so she made sure no one else could either.

mini-rant over...

 

[kkdj]

48 hours has a murder on they are covering...a son accused of killing his mother....I forgot how many times he stabbed her in the neck but hit her with something else first...guess I will watch this. Her son omg.

Is this the mom who was bipolar or schizophrenic and had abused her son for years?

 

[ILikeToBendPages]

"Brutalized beyond imagination?"

I wish someone would define a first degree murder that isn't "cruel, heinous, awful" or whatever adjectives one chooses to use. To me they are ALL terrible and cruel and heinous and yet the death penalty is not given to all perpetrators of first degree murder.

She might be sentenced to death or she might not be. Susan Wright, who stabbed her husband 200 times after tying him to the bed and pouring hot candle wax over him was given 25 years to life in prison, with no DP on the table. 200 stab wounds is something I consider "brutalized beyond imagination." Petit family kidnap/brutalized for hours/tied to beds/forced to go to bank and get $$$$/then sexually assaulted/ burned alive....that's "brutalized beyond imagination."[/quote]

I think Jeffery MacDonald is a good contender in what he did to Colette, Kim and Kristian. Now keep in mind that Colette and Kim's murders were done in a rage....but Kristan, her's was different. He murdered her in cold blood. He "brutalized them beyond imagination".

 

[Madeleine74]

In all that time and in all the cases I've followed I can't think of another better example of a purely textbook psychopathic woman than her! She is a very rare breed, thank God! Usually, you can find some evidence of a living thing a woman psychopath will care about.... Like a pet or a child.

Arias comes at the end of a long line of psychopathic females. And there will be more after her, unfortunately. For instance this parade of psychopathic females inspire massive amounts of anger, disgust, and a thirst for revenge:

- Diane Downs
- Karla Homolka
- Aileen Wuornos
- Rosemary West
- Darlie Routier
- Susan Smith
- Melanie Maguire
- Casey Anthony

Those are just off the top of my head, but there are many dozens of names that could be added. And that's just within the last couple of decades. Prior centuries gave some sterling examples. Lizzie Borden, Belle Sorenson Gunness, Queen Mary (aka "Bloody Mary"), Mary Ann Cotton.

 

[popsicle]

"Brutalized beyond imagination?"

I wish someone would define a first degree murder that isn't "cruel, heinous, awful" or whatever adjectives one chooses to use. To me they are ALL terrible and cruel and heinous and yet the death penalty is not given to all perpetrators of first degree murder.

She might be sentenced to death or she might not be. Susan Wright, who stabbed her husband 200 times after tying him to the bed and pouring hot candle wax over him was given 25 years to life in prison, with no DP on the table. 200 stab wounds is something I consider "brutalized beyond imagination." Petit family kidnap/brutalized for hours/tied to beds/forced to go to bank and get $$$$/then sexually assaulted/ burned alive....that's "brutalized beyond imagination."

I think Jeffery MacDonald is a good contender in what he did to Colette, Kim and Kristian. Now keep in mind that Colette and Kim's murders were done in a rage....but Kristan, her's was different. He murdered her in cold blood. He "brutalized them beyond imagination".[/QUOTE]


The murders of Chris Newsom and Channon Christian truly sickened me.

eta I don't know why the quote post messed up like that.

 

[Nana46]

Is this the mom who was bipolar or schizophrenic and had abused her son for years?

They said bipolar....don't know about abuse of the son.

 

[norest4thewicked]

Arias comes at the end of a long line of psychopathic females. And there will be more after her, unfortunately. For instance this parade of psychopathic females inspire massive amounts of anger, disgust, and a thirst for revenge:

- Diane Downs
- Karla Homolka
- Aileen Wuornos
- Rosemary West
- Darlie Routier
- Susan Smith
- Melanie Maguire
- Casey Anthony

Those are just off the top of my head, but there are many dozens of names that could be added. And that's just within the last couple of decades. Prior centuries gave some sterling examples. Lizzie Borden, Belle Sorenson Gunness, Queen Mary (aka "Bloody Mary"), Mary Ann Cotton.

How many of these women admitted to their murders?

 

[Isabelle]

I prefer my dogs company over most people's!


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I agree, and must include my cats!

 

[Madeleine74]

How many of these women admitted to their murders?

Does admitting to a murder make the perpetrator not psychopathic? Actually, neither did Arias. She hasn't admitted to "murder," only to "acting in self-defense because she had no choice." But on that list of recent murderesses, I can identify 3 or 4 who did admit their killings that I'm aware of, though there may be more than that.

 

[panthera]

How many of these women admitted to their murders?

Susan Smith, that I know of.

MOO

 

[Madeleine74]

Homolka, Smith, Wuronous are the ones I know of. Downs claims a "bushy haired stranger" shot her 3 kids then her in the arm while she watched. Routier claims a random dude came into her home and stabbed her 2 young boys to death and slit her throat.

 

[Linda7NJ]

Arias comes at the end of a long line of psychopathic females. And there will be more after her, unfortunately. For instance this parade of psychopathic females inspire massive amounts of anger, disgust, and a thirst for revenge:

- Diane Downs
- Karla Homolka
- Aileen Wuornos
- Rosemary West
- Darlie Routier
- Susan Smith
- Melanie Maguire
- Casey Anthony

Those are just off the top of my head, but there are many dozens of names that could be added. And that's just within the last couple of decades. Prior centuries gave some sterling examples. Lizzie Borden, Belle Sorenson Gunness, Queen Mary (aka "Bloody Mary"), Mary Ann Cotton.

Female psychopaths that murder are rare, meaning not common, there isn't one residing on every neighborhood block. They are a very very small part of the population.

I specifically stated ..of the cases *I* followed.

 

[norest4thewicked]

Does admitting to a murder make the perpetrator not psychopathic? Actually, neither did Arias. She hasn't admitted to "murder," only to "acting in self-defense because she had no choice." But on that list of recent murderesses, I can identify 3 or 4 who did admit their killings that I'm aware of, though there may be more than that.

I'm pretty sure that I didn't say that admitting to a murder didn't make one less psychopathic. I actually was asking that because I was curious and didn't want to look it up myself. There was no ulterior motive in my question.

 

[Madeleine74]

Female psychopaths that murder are rare, meaning not common, there isn't one residing on every neighborhood block. They are a very very small part of the population.

Hopefully the same can be said for the male population too. I'm not aware of any within a several mile range of me. Lots of crimes happen in general and of course we know about the gang bangers/drugs types of crimes, but psychopaths who murder are somewhat rare in general which is probably one reason they are so fascinating to people and tend to garner the most press.

 

[Linda7NJ]

Hopefully the same can be said for the male population too. I'm not aware of any within a several mile range of me. Lots of crimes happen in general and of course we know about the gang bangers/drugs types of crimes, but psychopaths who murder are somewhat rare in general which is probably one reason they are so fascinating to people and tend to garner the most press.

There are more males than females.

 

[miss.krissy]

Arias comes at the end of a long line of psychopathic females. And there will be more after her, unfortunately. For instance this parade of psychopathic females inspire massive amounts of anger, disgust, and a thirst for revenge:

- Diane Downs
- Karla Homolka
- Aileen Wuornos
- Rosemary West
- Darlie Routier
- Susan Smith
- Melanie Maguire
- Casey Anthony

Those are just off the top of my head, but there are many dozens of names that could be added. And that's just within the last couple of decades. Prior centuries gave some sterling examples. Lizzie Borden, Belle Sorenson Gunness, Queen Mary (aka "Bloody Mary"), Mary Ann Cotton.

Add these to the list:
Karla Faye Tucker
Andrea Yates

 

[kkdj]

I can't look at those head shots of TA yet and don't know if I'll ever do it. I just keep thinking that once I see it, I'll never be able to un-see it.

I believe you would be correct. I saw them today. I can't get the images out of my mind. It's very disturbing.
I also am having such a hard time wrapping my brain around how Jodi (or anybody) could have done so much harm to someone and to just keep doing it! WTH?!?!? I so hope his family hasn't seen them.
But as difficult as it is to look at them the prosecution should show them to the jury. This was not self defense! This is murder! Over and over again!
Imo

 

[miss.krissy]

I found this to be a pretty good timeline:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/12/31/jodi-arias-timeline_n_2387245.html

 

[Madeleine74]

Yep, although with Andrea Yates, I don't put her in the same category as the others because she really was insane at the time of the crime, had a long history of psychosis (specifically post partum psychosis), fully documented, and thought she was savings her children's souls. She didn't want to be rid of her children and she wasn't out for revenge. The woman to me is the very definition of "insane."