Jodi Arias Trial: the weekend discussion

[LotusPawprint]

I just read that there will be two days of testimony this week and then a 2-3 week break. Has anyone heard this? If this is true, than I can understand why it will take so long to complete this trial. Is this normal in Arizona?

Two days?? Really? Does Arizona have extra holidays that the rest of the country doesn't know about?

AZ trials usually only go 4 days a week. The normal schedule for this trial is supposed to be M-Th.

They also start late (10:30), when "normal" courts would take a mid-morning break. I can understand in a trial like this, long days and weeks would be too much.

But geesh... any jurors have vacations planned this summer??

 

[LotusPawprint]

They is no cure or pill for psychopathy


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No cure or pill but a tiny concrete solitary prison cell would be a good place to start! :jail:

 

[Linda7NJ]

Usually those who are psychopathic are narcissistic as well. In fact one of our posters put up a link of the psychopath traits prior in one of the threads. Im not sure it was in this thread though. It was interesting to see how many traits fit JA though.

Everything we have heard and read to date shows JA as a person capable of doing the most heinous of acts......lying with ease about it and quickly moving on to another lover after she murdered a truly innocent man. Nothing we have seen thus far shows he tried to attack her. Two minutes before he died he was in his shower minding his own business when the clothed murderess took his last alive photo. He is the one with the horrible defense wounds......not JA who only had two small bandaids covering her cuts just like OJ had when he sliced Nicole and Ron to death.

But those are not viable mental disorders anyway under judicial standards. She certainly knew what she did was wrong and that is all she has to know. It is proven she did or she would not have tried to cover her tracks and tell outlandish lies trying to distance herself from being there.

If she is a psychopath even if treated with medication it would not cure her. I have read that medication actually can even make them worse because they are being treated with meds for something that isnt treatable. Mental health professionals have never learned how to grow a conscience inside of someone who does not have one.

I doubt there will be any mental issues in her past history. This is not a mental defense case. After telling various lies about what happened she then chose self defense much later on when she obtained her lawyers.

IMO

Spot on!

All psychopaths are narcissistic.

Thankfully, not many are half as smart as they think they are


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[Justme84]

There was a post where someone had speculated that the defense will say the gunshot failed and that the rest was a mercy kill. So they will have to say
that the gun jammed or something similar based on their claimed series of events. wouldnt this be another reason the gun has not been given to law enforcement? If they find that the gun did not jam then even more of their case falls apart.

 

[Linda7NJ]

To change the topic a bit, I've been contemplating the blood spatter evidence from Friday. Based on the testimony, it appears Travis was likely stabbed in the heart near the shower door. He possibly lunged out in surprise. He headed away from Jodi in a clockwise direction since she was probably blocking the hall to the bedroom. He went past the tub and possibly collapsed (couldn't feel his legs) and Jodi stabbed at him, causing the spatter to appear at a relatively low height. He worked his way around to the sink and tried to pull himself up at the sink. There, he coughed up blood and was continually stabbed by Jodi. He managed to crawl as far as the bedroom where she slashed his throat. She then dragged him back to the shower. By then, he was dead. She likely shot him in the head to be sure he was dead before she put him in the shower.

All of this took less than 1 1/2 minutes. Those were the most horrifyingly painful moments in Travis' life. He had to know he was dying.

I do believe Travis lunged after Jodi. It wasn't because the camera was dropped, it was because he had been stabbed in the heart.

That would explain why the walls of the shower were clean. He never bled in there until post-mortem. That blood came about because of sheer gravity.

IMHO, any stab wounds or slashing wounds after the first could in no way be part of self defense. Travis was crawling for his life and couldn't outrun the hyped-up Jodi.

As to their relative moral characters, I could care less. In the long run, the proof is in those wounds, three of them fatal.

Agree with every single word


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[Linda7NJ]

There was a post where someone had speculated that the defense will say the gunshot failed and that the rest was a mercy kill. So they will have to say
that the gun jammed or something similar based on their claimed series of events. wouldnt this be another reason the gun has not been given to law enforcement? If they find that the gun did not jam then even more of their case falls apart.

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[Linda7NJ]

There was a post where someone had speculated that the defense will say the gunshot failed and that the rest was a mercy kill. So they will have to say
that the gun jammed or something similar based on their claimed series of events. wouldnt this be another reason the gun has not been given to law enforcement? If they find that the gun did not jam then even more of their case falls apart.

She was sure lucky to have a gun and a knife so handy! I always keep guns and knives in my bathroom lol! Or better yet, when I visit other people. You can never be too careful.

Turning sarcasm off now..

Yep, agree with you. That's going to be her line of BS. Or she was soooo scared she just kept on stabbing and dragging.


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[oceanblueeyes]

ITA of course that this was DV, so thank you for bringing over the definitions.

While some may struggle with Travis' victim status, IMO one thing is certain --the defense theory of Jodi being a DV victim is complete fiction.

"Willmott says that an expert will testify about how Arias' relationship with Alexander fits the mold of domestic violence."

I'm sure the defense hired gun will testify to anything. As someone else pointed out a couple threads back, I hope the state has their own expert to explain what you've defined - and Travis was a victim before the day of his murder.

I have a feeling the DA is chomping at the bits to question these so called experts. I see many hypotheticals coming in. He can swing this in his favor by asking her what she would call someone who is being stalked.......having their tires slashed..having their emails hacked......having their home entered without permission......and having someone come through their doggie door to gain entry....and that person being so fearful of that person that they told their best friends the person doing all this was going to kill them.

He can also ask them how often does an victim travel a thousand miles to be with the abuser when they are away from them in an entirely different state.

I could keep those so called experts on the stand for hours just asking hypotheticals.:great:

 

[Isabelle]

In one of Jodi's telephone calls with LE, didn't she say she wished she could have helped because she was only 10 minutes away!

 

[oceanblueeyes]

She was sure lucky to have a gun and a knife so handy! I always keep guns and knives in my bathroom lol! Or better yet, when I visit other people. You can never be too careful.

Turning sarcasm off now..

Yep, agree with you. That's going to be her line of BS. Or she was soooo scared she just kept on stabbing and dragging.


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Oh gee I thought all women pack a large knife and gun while in a bathroom!:floorlaugh:

 

[Linda7NJ]

In one of Jodi's telephone calls with LE, didn't she say she wished she could have helped because she was only 10 minutes away!

No. She said it wasn't like she was 10 minutes away


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[oceanblueeyes]

In one of Jodi's telephone calls with LE, didn't she say she wished she could have helped because she was only 10 minutes away!

Oops....loose lips sink ships.

 

[oceanblueeyes]

No. She said it wasn't like she was 10 minutes away


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Well now that is the truth ya know. She really wasnt 10 minutes away......she was right there.

IMO

 

[Linda7NJ]

Well now that is the truth ya know. She really wasnt 10 minutes away......she was right there.

IMO

She tried to help, but he just kept falling on that pesky knife!


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[panthera]

She was sure lucky to have a gun and a knife so handy! I always keep guns and knives in my bathroom lol! Or better yet, when I visit other people. You can never be too careful.

Turning sarcasm off now..

Yep, agree with you. That's going to be her line of BS. Or she was soooo scared she just kept on stabbing and dragging.


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This is exactly what makes her 'self-defense' so unbelievable. Travis was taking a shower. Is the defense trying to make us believe he had taken a knife and/or gun into the shower with him? She was outside, clothed, taking pictures of him and *even if he had* come at her, he was naked and she could certainly try to get out of that house! There were no injuries sustained to her to give any indication she was defending herself against anything.

:banghead:

MOO

 

[Isabelle]

I just read that there will be two days of testimony this week and then a 2-3 week break. Has anyone heard this? If this is true, than I can understand why it will take so long to complete this trial. Is this normal in Arizona?

How many times can defense ask for a mistrial? If it is more than once, then I smell one if the jury has a 2 - 3 week break. That is waaaaay too much time for them to be on the loose and not possibly see, read or hear anything about this trial.

 

[kkdj]

She was sure lucky to have a gun and a knife so handy! I always keep guns and knives in my bathroom lol! Or better yet, when I visit other people. You can never be too careful.

Turning sarcasm off now..

Yep, agree with you. That's going to be her line of BS. Or she was soooo scared she just kept on stabbing and dragging.


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It will never fly! She's going down!
Imo

 

[Isabelle]

Has it been mentioned that there are other shots of a deceased Travis on the camera, instead of the one showing what appears to be Jodi dragging him? I would think Jodi took lots of pics of her handiwork.

 

[LotusPawprint]

I have a feeling the DA is chomping at the bits to question these so called experts. I see many hypotheticals coming in. He can swing this in his favor by asking her what she would call someone who is being stalked.......having their tires slashed..having their emails hacked......having their home entered without permission......and having someone come through their doggie door to gain entry....and that person being so fearful of that person that they told their best friends the person doing all this was going to kill them.

He can also ask them how often does an victim travel a thousand miles to be with the abuser when they are away from them in an entirely different state.

I could keep those so called experts on the stand for hours just asking hypotheticals.:great:

Yes... yes.... I think Juan will neutralize that witness and make him/her his own.

I can see him asking for an opportunity to re-cross ("Your honor, this witness has been so helpful. I have more questions for this witness. May I?")

That ship could sink quickly for the defense.

 

[oceanblueeyes]

There was a post where someone had speculated that the defense will say the gunshot failed and that the rest was a mercy kill. So they will have to say
that the gun jammed or something similar based on their claimed series of events. wouldnt this be another reason the gun has not been given to law enforcement? If they find that the gun did not jam then even more of their case falls apart.

The DT wants the jury to believe the one shot to the head killed him. They want the jury to believe that came first which does not add up with any of the evidence entered. In fact very little blood was found from the small gunshot wound to the head which imo was because he had already bled out from the horrific stab wounds including the one that almost decapitated him.

Mercy killing is never going to fly imo. This was anything but merciful.

IMO