Josh Duggar charged with Receipt/Possession Child Sexual Abuse Material, 29 April 2021 #1

[usnuzuloose]

They probably knew Josh was going to be in trouble, since November, 2019, they have had time to plan. He is probably not allowed off the compound without a "buddy". JB probably wanted Josh close, so he would not keep getting into trouble.

The truth is that maybe JB has had reasons to want to keep Josh very close to home and watched carefully. We don't know. We really have no clue at all. Maybe his daughters sleep at the big house. We don't know.

More over than anything my concern is the children and they need to stay safe. Him being able to see the children is disturbing. And I am concerened about him talking to these kids about why he is arressted.

 

[Springrain]

More over than anything my concern is the children and they need to stay safe. Him being able to see the children is disturbing. And I am concerened about him talking to these kids about why he is arressted.

I am too. There are great picture books out there for children of the incarcerated, but I'm sure they aren't using them because they're not IBLP approved. A big concern of mine is that the kids all know too well what he is like and what he has done.

The truth is that maybe JB has had reasons to want to keep Josh very close to home and watched carefully. We don't know. We really have no clue at all. Maybe his daughters sleep at the big house. We don't know.

Bingo. They have kept him there to keep an eye on him. Imo.

Jim Bob owns more than enough real estate to allow Josh to have his own house. There is a reason they kept him on the compound.

 

[SBops]

I am too. There are great picture books out there for children of the incarcerated, but I'm sure they aren't using them because they're not IBLP approved. A big concern of mine is that the kids all know too well what he is like and what he has done.



Bingo. They have kept him there to keep an eye on him. Imo.

Jim Bob owns more than enough real estate to allow Josh to have his own house. There is a reason they kept him on the compound.

And maybe his children away from neighbors that they may speak to.

 

[MsMarple]

Inside $7,500-a-month Christian rehab program where Josh Duggar was sent for porn 'addiction' in 2015 - and where pastor worked who is now serving 12 years for raping underage girl
Inside the Christian rehab where Josh Duggar was sent after he admitted to porn 'addiction' in 2015 | Daily Mail Online

Why am I not surprised?

Schaap, who is currently serving a 12-year prison sentence, is said to have told his victim that God approved of their behavior when she asked if it was wrong to kiss.

Chicago Magazine claimed that he had sex with her in his office during a church conference, at his cabin in Michigan, and in an Illinois forest.

While Schaap didn't work at the treatment center that house Josh, he did bring the Reformers Unanimous program to his own parish, the First Baptist Church in Hammond, Indiana.

When Josh sought treatment, though, a sermon by Schaap remained on a list recommended 'heartily' by Reformers Unanimous to its students.

Josh also set off some alarm bells at the start of his treatment when there was speculation that he wasn't taking part in all of the requirements, including attending church.

RadarOnline reported about a week into his stay that worshippers at North Love Baptist Church, which is affiliated with the rehab facility, saw no sign of Josh.
Inside the Christian rehab where Josh Duggar was sent after he admitted to porn 'addiction' in 2015 | Daily Mail Online
BBM
I understand that the pastor named in the article was not involved in Josh's treatment but still, he was part of the Reformers group. It's disgusting that so many authority figures in the Duggar religious circles are sitting in prison for sexual assault crimes. What kind of role models are these despicable men?

Because Josh was never charged for the molestation of his sisters and the babysitter I hope he doesn't get away with some sort of light punishment like probation. He needs to pay for his crimes this time IMO.

 

[Proudnanny]

My own opinion, pedophiles don't get "better", they get smarter.

How true. As a wife and mother how can you stay with someone like that his wife needs to leave him and make happy life for herself and her children. I could never stay with someone who has committed these horrible crimes how could you ever trust him around your children ever again. I still can't understand how a husband and father could do this or any man for that matter totally disgusting. MOO

 

[tayaway]

We need to remember that in this cult, Bill Gothard's Institute for Basic Life Principles (IBLP), women and children belong to men. They are property and when men are caught sexually assaulting them, the victims are at fault. Women must protect men from being seduced by women or children. They don't see things the way mainstream does; they need to protect the men.

From Chicago Mag, 2016:

"The group pushes an authoritarian, patriarchal theology conceived, developed, and thundered from the pulpit by Gothard over the years...

At its peak, in the 1990s and early 2000s, IBLP had 200 to 300 staffers there, living several at a time in nearby houses or a dormitory-style apartment building the organization owned. Gothard, the lawsuit contends, acted as “the boss, the landlord, and the controller of all aspects of their lives.” He kept his “victims blamed, shamed, silent, compliant,” the suit alleges, and “cut off from the normal world entirely.” ...

“You never think you are in a cult when you are in a cult,” Micah J. Murray, who was a student in the ATI program and later worked for IBLP in the mid-2000s, wrote on his website...

Virtually all of IBLP’s teachings are viewed through the prism of male superiority and female obedience. In marriage, for example, the husband is the undisputed leader of the family and his word is final."

According to the Duggar belief system, we ought to be asking, how could women trust their seductive children around the men, how could women trust themselves around men? The answer then, according to IBLP, is that the men aren't the ones to blame for sexually assaulting women or children, it's the victims themselves. It's an ingenious system, upheld by the victims, that most often protects the abuser from state/federal consequences by maintaining silence.

 

[CptCari]

We need to remember that in this cult, Bill Gothard's Institute for Basic Life Principles (IBLP), women and children belong to men. They are property and when men are caught sexually assaulting them, the victims are at fault. Women must protect men from being seduced by women or children. They don't see things the way mainstream does; they need to protect the men.

From Chicago Mag, 2016:

"The group pushes an authoritarian, patriarchal theology conceived, developed, and thundered from the pulpit by Gothard over the years...

At its peak, in the 1990s and early 2000s, IBLP had 200 to 300 staffers there, living several at a time in nearby houses or a dormitory-style apartment building the organization owned. Gothard, the lawsuit contends, acted as “the boss, the landlord, and the controller of all aspects of their lives.” He kept his “victims blamed, shamed, silent, compliant,” the suit alleges, and “cut off from the normal world entirely.” ...

“You never think you are in a cult when you are in a cult,” Micah J. Murray, who was a student in the ATI program and later worked for IBLP in the mid-2000s, wrote on his website...

Virtually all of IBLP’s teachings are viewed through the prism of male superiority and female obedience. In marriage, for example, the husband is the undisputed leader of the family and his word is final."

According to the Duggar belief system, we ought to be asking, how could women trust their seductive children around the men, how could women trust themselves around men? The answer then, according to IBLP, is that the men aren't the ones to blame for sexually assaulting women or children, it's the victims themselves. It's an ingenious system, upheld by the victims, that most often protects the abuser from state/federal consequences by maintaining silence.

This makes me physically ill. What a recipe for disaster...and this exact scenario.

 

[everybodhi]

He may have gotten around his wife’s porn alert software but he couldn’t get around the FBI and HSI.
https://www.5newsonline.com/amp/art...lear/527-06c496de-614c-461a-ab35-1dcda8984442
Josh Duggar released from jail, special agent lays out evidence against him

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May 2019, the FBI Little Rock Office traced materials described as child pornography downloaded through peer-to-peer file sharing torrents to an IP address in Fayetteville. After an investigation, Homeland Security agents matched the location to a used car lot Duggar owns in Springdale.

The agent claimed Duggar used a Linux partition on one of the computers at the car lot to get around software that alerted his wife if he viewed pornography.

He then went on to state that some of the types of images located on Duggar's computer ranked among the worst he has seen in his career investigating child pornography.

 

[CptCari]

BBM

I don't think his family can play the "accidental download" card.

 

[SBops]

I don't think his family can play the "accidental download" card.

On social media, they are playing the witchhunt of good Christian men card and claiming that the FBI have no evidence, because they did not publish it.

 

[everybodhi]

Does anyone have the Biden link?

And the link where Anna blames JB and Michelle?

Thanks ... !

You have to go to the gossip rags
Josh Duggar's wife Anna is 'in denial & at WAR with Jim Bob and Michelle'

An insider told The Sun: "Anna is in denial. Jim Bob is telling people she is defending Josh and no longer speaking to most of the family.
"Jim Bob said she blames him and wife Michelle for Josh's arrest.

This part may have some truth to it:

"Anna feels it all stems from how they dealt with his previous molestation scandal after he assaulted his sisters."

They added: "She also thinks that this case is a conspiracy theory against her husband set up by the Biden administration.

"She believes that if Donald Trump was still in power this would not be happening, and refuses to believe he's done anything wrong."

 

[Springrain]

I don't think his family can play the "accidental download" card.

It was discussed on another forum, by someone who was watching the hearing yesterday, that Josh tried to imply that one of his brothers who worked at the car lot with him could have downloaded the CSAM, because they had access to the computer. Even though he used the same password for all his other accounts as well as for accessing the other partition of his computer (sorry, not tech savvy, I don't know the lingo - can barely operate my Kindle Fire and phone) had his birth year in it.

He is not a smart man.

 

[everybodhi]

I don't think his family can play the "accidental download" card.

Yeah, accidentally downloading Tor and then accidentally accessing some of the worst child porn on the dark web is not how it works.
I bet he didn’t use Tor for all his web surfing because bouncing around servers all over the world to hide your identity slows down your computer.

 

[everybodhi]

On social media, they are playing the witchhunt of good Christian men card and claiming that the FBI have no evidence, because they did not publish it.

If Biden were going to set someone up, why would he choose Josh who is irrelevant to most people, especially in politics?
Conspiracy theories don’t have to make sense, though.

 

[SBops]

If Biden were going to set someone up, why would he choose Josh who is irrelevant to most people, especially in politics?
Conspiracy theories don’t have to make sense, though.

Because the great Christian Trump would exonerate him.

 

[Cool Cats]

It was discussed on another forum, by someone who was watching the hearing yesterday, that Josh tried to imply that one of his brothers who worked at the car lot with him could have downloaded the CSAM, because they had access to the computer. Even though he used the same password for all his other accounts as well as for accessing the other partition of his computer (sorry, not tech savvy, I don't know the lingo - can barely operate my Kindle Fire and phone) had his birth year in it.

He is not a smart man.

Throwing a brother under the bus? I didn't think it could get worse with him, wrong! If you try to pin your horrible crime on your sibling you are ______ (fill in the blank)

On social media, they are playing the witchhunt of good Christian men card and claiming that the FBI have no evidence, because they did not publish it.

OF COURSE THEY CAN'T PUBLISH IT FOR PUBLIC CONSUMPTION ... !
IT IS CHILD PORN !!!!!!!

 

[kessemeier]

You have to go to the gossip rags
Josh Duggar's wife Anna is 'in denial & at WAR with Jim Bob and Michelle'

This part may have some truth to it:

Here is the link to the article by the Sun: Josh Duggar RELEASED from jail as he preps for trial after 'possessing '65 images of child porn including toddlers'

 

[SBops]

Throwing a brother under the bus? I didn't think it could get worse with him, wrong! If you try to pin your horrible crime on your sibling you are ______ (fill in the blank)



OF COURSE THEY CAN'T PUBLISH IT FOR PUBLIC CONSUMPTION ... !
IT IS CHILD PORN !!!!!!!

Well, normal people know that, but the good Christian defenders of Josh want to see it. Make of that what you will.

 

[CrimeAway]

The hypocrisy is rife in this whole situation, IMO.

To be apparently so afraid of evil that exists in the outside world, when there may be other evil that lives within.

Oh, the irony.

Always look for the trees amongst the woods, JMO.

 

[Springrain]

Throwing a brother under the bus? I didn't think it could get worse with him, wrong! If you try to pin your horrible crime on your sibling you are ______ (fill in the blank)



OF COURSE THEY CAN'T PUBLISH IT FOR PUBLIC CONSUMPTION ... !
IT IS CHILD PORN !!!!!!!

I am waiting for MSM news outlets to cover that. It was written by someone watching the hearing. I can't imagine being those brothers right now. Obviously, no one fell for it and thinks either of them were the one downloading it, but the fact that he was so willing to throw them under the bus to cover for his disgusting sex crime is truly absurd.

The brothers he tried to imply may have done it and married and have kids. Both have little girls. I cannot imagine what they must think about Josh trying (poorly) to pin that horrible crime on them.

I am grateful he was stupid enough to have the password with his birth year in it. Makes trying that excuse all the more absurd. Because why would his brothers use a password, with his birth year in it, that he had been known to use for other accounts?

The hypocrisy is rife in this whole situation, IMO.

To be apparently so afraid of evil that exists in the outside world, when there may be other evil that lives within.

Oh, the irony.

Always look for the trees amongst the woods, JMO.

Josh has run around claiming for years that transgender people using the bathroom and married gay couples, especially with kids are ruining the country, the sanctity of marriage, and more, AND putting children at risk simply because of their gender identity or sexual orientation. Meanwhile, he (REPEATEDLY) molested his sisters, cheated on his wife, "allegedly" raped a woman, and "allegedly" viewed and downloaded hundreds of photos and videos of children being sexually abused. Literal TODDLERS.

But no, according to him, the gay couple holding hands at the coffee shop is harming kids by existing. The trans woman washing her hands in a public danger is harming kids by existing.

He makes me sick.