Josh Duggar charged with Receipt/Possession Child Sexual Abuse Material, 29 April 2021 #2

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BBM. Unless it is pleasurable for him/

As stated in the disturbing podcast series, Hunting Warhead, the main pedophile who ran the horrific web CSAM sites would ask even his relatives if he could bathe their toddlers. A lot of abuse and/or photos can happen in mere minutes. If Josh is an addict, he'll take every opportunity he can to get off.
 
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ETA - @tayaway I listened to Hunting Warhead - most of it. It was a hard listen but the most disturbing part is the medical theory that some people are just born with this attraction. Made it hard to believe, short of castration, that they could stop themselves.

Several states allow chemical or surgical castration for sex offenders, including Florida, Texas, and California.
They use injections of Depo Provera to lower the sex drive and testosterone production in men, a drug millions of women use for birth control.
Like the lessor charge of possession without mandatory minimums being used to shorten prison time for so called “child 🤬🤬🤬🤬”, sympathetic judges and prosecutors very rarely use the law, it’s mostly used only at the offender’s request.
Alabama recently passed a law making it mandatory as a condition of release from prison on probation for offenders with victims under 12, but they have to be convicted first and not plea bargain to a lessor charge, so we will see how it goes in Alabama with sympathetic prosecutors, judges, and juries.
Chemical and Surgical Castration for Sex Offenders - FindLaw
 
As stated in the disturbing podcast series, Hunting Warhead, the main pedophile who ran the horrific web CSAM sites would ask even his relatives if he could bathe their toddlers. A lot of abuse and/or photos can happen in mere minutes. If Josh is an addict, he'll take every opportunity he can to get off.
So creepy. When I was a new mom, we went to a pool party at an aquaintance's parents' house. The father of our acquaintence wanted to "keep me company" when I discreetly found a quiet place alone to breastfeed my infant daughter. (I told him to please leave and he did but he made it awkward for me to ask - he didn't instantly depart and he acted like I was the one being rude.) Later when I was changing my daughter's diaper, he again appeared and wanted to watch, making dumb jokes about diaper changing. This is a man I barely knew - but, wow, he honed in on intimate moments during a big gathering where no one would notice him wandering around, etc. Obviously, we left and never went back. (Oddly, his wife continues to send us Christmas cards though we don't know them - she did seem very sweet.)

What if I brought a sitter along to look after the baby while I socialized. Would a teen sitter stand up to the host of the party? Probably not.

Creeps find a way to creep. I don't think JD should be at any family gathering with kids ever again. jmo
 
Thank Goodness these are federal charges, Josh Duggar, if convicted will get mandatory sentences. I am completely in favor of the mandatory sentencing. No "back door" deal down to nothing.

I just watched a video on that, and it said that even a plea would only knock the sentence down a few notches but there would still be a prison sentence. I hope that's correct, but I was a bit sorry that it seemed unlikely he'd get the full 40 years (as that's more for multiple repeat offenders).
 
I just watched a video on that, and it said that even a plea would only knock the sentence down a few notches but there would still be a prison sentence. I hope that's correct, but I was a bit sorry that it seemed unlikely he'd get the full 40 years (as that's more for multiple repeat offenders).

How much time is he likely to get based upon what you saw regarding a plea, etc.?
 
How much time is he likely to get based upon what you saw regarding a plea, etc.?

Around seven years :(

It seems possible that the judge might take into account the earlier incidents with the sisters when it comes to sentencing, but I think that would technically only be supposed to take actual convictions into account...however though there wasn't a conviction there was a confession that was backed up by the victims' evidence at the time.

It was explained in the video that the two charges, possession and receipt would be combined into one single charge, which brings the max down from 40 years to 20 years. Then it was said that the 20 year penalty would be for people who have been convicted of numerous similar crimes in the past. The 'penalty sheet' used for the federal charges that was shown on the video I saw (Scott Reisch) means that there's very little leeway for the judge to have much leeway in the sentencing, that it all derives from the official chart that depends on the exact nature of the crime that the defendant stands accused of.
 
Around seven years :(

It seems possible that the judge might take into account the earlier incidents with the sisters when it comes to sentencing, but I think that would technically only be supposed to take actual convictions into account...however though there wasn't a conviction there was a confession that was backed up by the victims' evidence at the time.

It was explained in the video that the two charges, possession and receipt would be combined into one single charge, which brings the max down from 40 years to 20 years. Then it was said that the 20 year penalty would be for people who have been convicted of numerous similar crimes in the past. The 'penalty sheet' used for the federal charges that was shown on the video I saw (Scott Reisch) means that there's very little leeway for the judge to have much leeway in the sentencing, that it all derives from the official chart that depends on the exact nature of the crime that the defendant stands accused of.
Very useful info - thanks for sharing all that.

jmo
 
Around seven years :(

It seems possible that the judge might take into account the earlier incidents with the sisters when it comes to sentencing, but I think that would technically only be supposed to take actual convictions into account...however though there wasn't a conviction there was a confession that was backed up by the victims' evidence at the time.

It was explained in the video that the two charges, possession and receipt would be combined into one single charge, which brings the max down from 40 years to 20 years. Then it was said that the 20 year penalty would be for people who have been convicted of numerous similar crimes in the past. The 'penalty sheet' used for the federal charges that was shown on the video I saw (Scott Reisch) means that there's very little leeway for the judge to have much leeway in the sentencing, that it all derives from the official chart that depends on the exact nature of the crime that the defendant stands accused of.

Thank you for the explanation/information.
 
I haven't been able to follow this case. Just a few too many things that hit too close for me. Curious if Josh or if Josh's family have made any further statements? And is he still being housed by the same couple while he's awaiting sentencing? TIA

I haven't heard that Josh has moved from the couple he was staying with, so I guess he's still there.

I don't think anyone in the family has made any statements since the initial ones that talked about investigations and finding out the truth, no matter what that might be.
 
As I understand it, Josh can leave for medical appointments. Does that include kids’ appointments (prob not, due to kids in waiting room?) or his wife’s birth?

I didn't know that, but I'd imagine it would be limited to his own medical appointments, not appointments for someone else.

I guess he could apply for compassionate permission to be at the birth to support his wife and that would be up to a judge to decide based on risk, who else is present, and the fact that he is considered innocent until proven guilty in a court of law.

JMO
 
I didn't know that, but I'd imagine it would be limited to his own medical appointments, not appointments for someone else.

I guess he could apply for compassionate permission to be at the birth to support his wife and that would be up to a judge to decide based on risk, who else is present, and the fact that he is considered innocent until proven guilty in a court of law.

JMO
Should a pedophile who is charged with possessing the worst kind of child abuse images attend the birth of a baby? My opinion: no.

I'm not a judge in Arkansas, though.

jmo
 
Several states allow chemical or surgical castration for sex offenders, including Florida, Texas, and California.
They use injections of Depo Provera to lower the sex drive and testosterone production in men, a drug millions of women use for birth control.
Like the lessor charge of possession without mandatory minimums being used to shorten prison time for so called “child 🤬🤬🤬🤬”, sympathetic judges and prosecutors very rarely use the law, it’s mostly used only at the offender’s request.
Alabama recently passed a law making it mandatory as a condition of release from prison on probation for offenders with victims under 12, but they have to be convicted first and not plea bargain to a lessor charge, so we will see how it goes in Alabama with sympathetic prosecutors, judges, and juries.
Chemical and Surgical Castration for Sex Offenders - FindLaw

When you say certain states, Florida..., offer chemical castration as an option, what does that mean? Can an inmate request that in order to be released?
 
IMO the Duggar family, all of them, have been very quiet. They, especially JBD and MD, must finally realize to some extent that this is extremely serious and not something they can just sweep under the rug and take care of themselves as they have done in the past.
We probably will not hear anything significant until day of trial unless a deal is made.
 
One of the Duggar girls coincidentally just released a book which includes a section about Josh's molestation and the impact it had on her. I don't know if the release date was intentional but it's gotten a good deal of media attention because of the Josh stuff.

Personally I hope she profits from it: I don't care for the Duggars and until 2015 I knew almost nothing about them but since she was a victim of Josh IMO she should get some tangible monetary benefit since no one seemed to pay any attention to the 5 victims other than making sure the girls forgave him.. MOO.
 
When you say certain states, Florida..., offer chemical castration as an option, what does that mean? Can an inmate request that in order to be released?
In Florida chemical castration is mandatory but judges still don’t use it, and California and Texas have allowed surgical castration, at the request of the offender, and they have been released.
Surgical castration for sexual offenses has been done for hundreds of years across cultures, it was halted in the US after WWII.
Here’s some background on how chemical castration law came about and just how much some judges neglect to follow the law’s mandatory usage when sentencing repeat child sexual offenders.

On May 4, 2005, convicted Texas child molester Larry Don McQuay was released from prison. Again. McQuay, who had been a school bus driver in San Antonio, Texas, had been initially sentenced to eight years in prison for molesting a six-year-old boy in 1989. McQuay begged the state of Texas to surgically castrate him so that he would not repeat his crimes, which he admitted included molesting over 200 children. McQuay stated that when he looks at a child, “I see a sex object..I hate the things that I do. I’m just scared that it’s going to happen. That’s why I want to get the surgery.’ ” His request was denied.
McQuay’s letters from prison prompted the citizen’s organization, Justice for All, to help him raise the funds to obtain the surgery privately.
Although the organization was successful in raising the funds, they could find no physician who was willing to perform the surgery.
In 1996, after having served six years of an eight-year sentence, Larry Don McQuay was released from prison for “good conduct”, even though he had stated that he would not only molest again, but kill his victims to prevent them from testifying against him. Dismayed at the Texas court’s denial of McQuay’s request to be castrated prior to his release, California Assemblyman Bill Hoge introduced a bill in 1996 that was overwhelmingly passed by the California legislature requiring “chemical castration” of paroled, repeat child molesters.
Florida wasted no time in getting its own chemical castration statute on the books. In October of 1997, the legislature enacted section 794.0235, Florida Statutes, which permits Florida’s courts to order periodic administration of medroxyprogesterone acetate (MPA) injections for individuals convicted of sexual battery and mandates such a court order upon an individual’s second conviction. The controversial theory behind the statute is that forced administration of large doses of female hormones into male sex offenders who are placed on probation will significantly reduce the likelihood of recidivistic sexual offenses.
On April 12, 2005, some seven years after Florida’s statute was enacted, Susan Maher, Deputy General Counsel for Florida’s Department of Corrections (DOC), briefed the Senate Justice Appropriations Committee on the status of the implementation of Florida’s chemical castration statute.
Maher reported that from the time the
statute was enacted in 1997 until the day of the briefing, circuit judges had failed to order chemical castration in 104 of the 107 cases in which such order had been statutorily mandated.

https://ir.law.fsu.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1163&context=lr


Different State Approaches to Castration for Sex Offenders
Both the California and Florida statutes provide for mandatory injections for repeat sex offenders, as well as discretionary injections for first-time offenders. Despite the mandatory language in the Florida law, the law has apparently been invoked only a few times since its passage in 1997.

In California, at least 15 repeat sex offenders have requested surgical castration as a way to avoid indefinite incarceration and over the past three years, two offenders have been released from state mental hospitals following surgery.

Pursuant to a 1997 law, Texas permits surgical castration of offenders. By May 2005, three men had undergone the voluntary procedure. Candidates must be at least 21 years of age, have had at least two sex offense convictions, and have undergone at least 18 months of sex offender treatment, including Depo Provera injections, to understand how their bodies might react with less testosterone.
Chemical and Surgical Castration for Sex Offenders - FindLaw
 
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One of the Duggar girls coincidentally just released a book which includes a section about Josh's molestation and the impact it had on her.I don't know if the release date was intentional but it's gotten a good deal of media attention because of the Josh stuff.
The book's release date was announced last fall. It was really just a coincidence he ended up being arrested the week before the book came out, though I am sure she was (understandably) not happy about the timing.
 
Around seven years :(

It seems possible that the judge might take into account the earlier incidents with the sisters when it comes to sentencing, but I think that would technically only be supposed to take actual convictions into account...however though there wasn't a conviction there was a confession that was backed up by the victims' evidence at the time.

It was explained in the video that the two charges, possession and receipt would be combined into one single charge, which brings the max down from 40 years to 20 years. Then it was said that the 20 year penalty would be for people who have been convicted of numerous similar crimes in the past. The 'penalty sheet' used for the federal charges that was shown on the video I saw (Scott Reisch) means that there's very little leeway for the judge to have much leeway in the sentencing, that it all derives from the official chart that depends on the exact nature of the crime that the defendant stands accused of.
It’s mind boggling to me that a person, either found guilty or guilty via plea, of possession of CSA material can plead to anything, have any charges dropped or do less than maximum time in prison. We’re talking about child abuse! There shouldn’t be any bargaining of any kind.
 
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