Judge Orders Bush Administration to Resume Paying for Katrina Housing

[windovervocalcords]

If you must....why don't we just agree to disagree

Ok-if that's what we have to do.

BTW I lost a good poster friend over the racism on prior Katrina threads. She happened to be African- American, a real classy quiet poster. She found a lot of the Katrina threads hurtful.

I miss her.

 

[Nova]

Thank you very much for this information. Unfortunately, there are going to have to be people who will have to relocate or other things they don't want to do. Its a sad fact of life, but it is the fact.

Probably so, but if my tax dollars help people stay in the area and preserve its culture (which depends entirely on people), I don't mind.

The last thing we need - as a nation, culturally - is to have the people of N.O. all transplanted to yet more suburban wastelands.

ETA: great post, Bham. As a rule, we are not getting that information on the West Coast.

 

[Jeana (DP)]

Probably so, but if my tax dollars help people stay in the area and preserve its culture (which depends entirely on people), I don't mind.

The last thing we need - as a nation, culturally - is to have the people of N.O. all transplanted to yet more suburban wastelands.

That's true because the crime rates where a lot of these folks are ending up is rising dramatically.

 

[Nova]

That's true because the crime rates where a lot of these folks are ending up is rising dramatically.

If I had to live in some of the recently built, cookie-cutter suburbs, I'd commit crimes, too.

 

[windovervocalcords]

I'm not the sharpest tack in the bunch, but this sounds like a dig on Bush, Fema, ect...Am I close??
If so, I'd just like to say....it's not cool to dig on the government:hand: .
After going to several different countries I've discovered that even though our government isn't *pristine* there is no place else I'de rather live!! It's far from perfect as a matter of fact, but for the people who are going to complain about everything the government does wrong....well, they just need a one way ticket to perfectland!!
Now, if you will excuse me, I need to change my HRT patch!!

BTW if you read the article I posted in its entirety it makes a strong case for the ideology behind public policy being part of the causes and conditions for what went wrong and continues to go wrong with Katrina.

It is not "bashing the government" to examine public policy and its underlying assumptions and challenge that.

 

[Jeana (DP)]

If I had to live in some of the recently built, cookie-cutter suburbs, I'd commit crimes, too.

Funny, but I'm talking about something else entirely. Here's but one example:

Did Katrina evacuees bring more crime to Houston?
You won't find any public officials in Houston who will say, "Crime is up because of the Katrina evacuees." That's not smart politics. But you will find plenty of Houston residents who feel that way.

To tell the story of how the massive influx of evacuees has affected crime in Houston, we decided to visit the Fondren neighborhood in the southwest part of the city, because this is where many evacuees wound up settling.

The mainly working-class neighborhood, which consists mostly of low-rise apartment complexes, was plagued by crime long before Katrina evacuees arrived. But officers who work this beat say they've seen a significant spike in emergency calls since they got here. One officer told me, "Oh, we're a lot busier."

Across Houston, there have been a series of high-profile crimes involving Katrina evacuees. Houston police say evacuees have been victims or suspects in about 20 percent of the city's homicides, more than double their percentage in the population. This is leading to a feeling among some Houstonians that perhaps the evacuees are wearing out their welcome.

http://www.cnn.com/CNN/Programs/and...02/did-katrina-evacuees-bring-more-crime.html

 

[IrishMist]

:clap: My exact thoughts.
I was driving down St Charles Ave a month or two ago and saw McDonalds hiring, it was either 12 or 13 dollars an hour...

WOW! They sure don't pay that here! What the heck is the cost of living in your area??

 

[windovervocalcords]

WOW! They sure don't pay that here! What the heck is the cost of living in your area??

Minimum wage here.

 

[windovervocalcords]

Funny, but I'm talking about something else entirely. Here's but one example:

Did Katrina evacuees bring more crime to Houston?
You won't find any public officials in Houston who will say, "Crime is up because of the Katrina evacuees." That's not smart politics. But you will find plenty of Houston residents who feel that way.

To tell the story of how the massive influx of evacuees has affected crime in Houston, we decided to visit the Fondren neighborhood in the southwest part of the city, because this is where many evacuees wound up settling.

The mainly working-class neighborhood, which consists mostly of low-rise apartment complexes, was plagued by crime long before Katrina evacuees arrived. But officers who work this beat say they've seen a significant spike in emergency calls since they got here. One officer told me, "Oh, we're a lot busier."

Across Houston, there have been a series of high-profile crimes involving Katrina evacuees. Houston police say evacuees have been victims or suspects in about 20 percent of the city's homicides, more than double their percentage in the population. This is leading to a feeling among some Houstonians that perhaps the evacuees are wearing out their welcome.

http://www.cnn.com/CNN/Programs/and...02/did-katrina-evacuees-bring-more-crime.html

What is your explanation?

Those black folks just more criminal inherently?

 

[Jeana (DP)]

What is your explanation?

Those black folks just more criminal inherently?

I didnt' read anywhere in the article where it said the criminals were "black." Did you? Or do you just automatically think that when you hear about crime?

 

[Nova]

Funny, but I'm talking about something else entirely. Here's but one example:

Did Katrina evacuees bring more crime to Houston?
You won't find any public officials in Houston who will say, "Crime is up because of the Katrina evacuees." That's not smart politics. But you will find plenty of Houston residents who feel that way.

To tell the story of how the massive influx of evacuees has affected crime in Houston, we decided to visit the Fondren neighborhood in the southwest part of the city, because this is where many evacuees wound up settling.

The mainly working-class neighborhood, which consists mostly of low-rise apartment complexes, was plagued by crime long before Katrina evacuees arrived. But officers who work this beat say they've seen a significant spike in emergency calls since they got here. One officer told me, "Oh, we're a lot busier."

Across Houston, there have been a series of high-profile crimes involving Katrina evacuees. Houston police say evacuees have been victims or suspects in about 20 percent of the city's homicides, more than double their percentage in the population. This is leading to a feeling among some Houstonians that perhaps the evacuees are wearing out their welcome.

http://www.cnn.com/CNN/Programs/and...02/did-katrina-evacuees-bring-more-crime.html

If true, there are several obvious reasons:

Poor people commit more crimes. If Katrina evacuees weren't poor before, they certainly were by the time they got to Houston.

Dislocated people are more likely to commit crimes, because they are outside the community restraints of a place where they are better known.

The less people have to lose, the more likely they are to risk committing crimes. Many people lost everything in Katrina.

 

[czechmate7]

BTW if you read the article I posted in its entirety it makes a strong case for the ideology behind public policy being part of the causes and conditions for what went wrong and continues to go wrong with Katrina.

It is not "bashing the government" to examine public policy and its underlying assumptions and challenge that.

I told you I wasn't the sharpest tack, did I not....When it comes to political issues I tend to lose the ability to fully understand the "whole" picture sometimes...
Sorry to hear about your poster friend. I don't believe in rasicsm. I look at everyone equally...no one person is better than the next. I don't know why everyone just can't get along!!

 

[czechmate7]

WOW! They sure don't pay that here! What the heck is the cost of living in your area??

St Charles Ave is in Uptown New Orleans.

 

[czechmate7]

What is your explanation?

Those black folks just more criminal inherently?

The article didn't say anything about "black folks"...

 

[windovervocalcords]

I didnt' read anywhere in the article where it said the criminals were "black." Did you? Or do you just automatically think that when you hear about crime?

No frankly. I thought you did.

"The mayor, Bill White, reasons that the higher murder rate is in part due to the sudden increase in population without a concurrent increase in police resources, particularly in the low-rent, high-crime districts many evacuees now call home. “

The national media’s fixation on Katrina evacuees’ skin color, and the same media’s easy amnesia about the real violence that plagued New Orleans immediately after the storm, obscured a burgeoning crisis that still demands sustained attention:

http://www.city-journal.org/html/eon2006-01-04ng.html

http://www.monthlyreview.org/0706lavelle.htm

 

[Jeana (DP)]

No frankly. I thought you did.

"The mayor, Bill White, reasons that the higher murder rate is in part due to the sudden increase in population without a concurrent increase in police resources, particularly in the low-rent, high-crime districts many evacuees now call home. “

The national media’s fixation on Katrina evacuees’ skin color, and the same media’s easy amnesia about the real violence that plagued New Orleans immediately after the storm, obscured a burgeoning crisis that still demands sustained attention:

http://www.city-journal.org/html/eon2006-01-04ng.html

http://www.monthlyreview.org/0706lavelle.htm

Nope. I didn't. And frankly, I don't honestly care. I don't go for the excuses either. They don't get license to commit crimes because they're poor.

 

[Jeana (DP)]

If true, there are several obvious reasons:

Poor people commit more crimes. If Katrina evacuees weren't poor before, they certainly were by the time they got to Houston.

Dislocated people are more likely to commit crimes, because they are outside the community restraints of a place where they are better known.

The less people have to lose, the more likely they are to risk committing crimes. Many people lost everything in Katrina.

Sorry Nova. I don't care about their excuses.

 

[windovervocalcords]

Nope. I didn't. And frankly, I don't honestly care. I don't go for the excuses either. They don't get license to commit crimes because they're poor.

I am in favor of giving them licenses to commit crimes of course.

 

[2sisters]

Where are you all getting the race thing? i reread this thread and there was no mention of color on here except in something I posted. When are people going to take responsibilty for their actions and lives and quit whining about race. Wind if your friend left over racism then so be it, she was obvioulsy reading into things. I cannot name one example of racism against blacks on this website. Racism does exist and it isn't just against blacks. Don't fool yourself into thinking it is.

Wind- apology accepted over the housewife comment, my apologies for calling you an upperclass liberal.

 

[czechmate7]

Racism does exist and it isn't just against blacks. Don't fool yourself into thinking it is.

I have a question about that....Was it considered "racism" when Mayor Nagin announced he wanted to make NO a "Chocolate City" again? I kinda took offense to that.... I mean it didn't cause me mental anguish that would have caused me to sue but I didn't care much for the comment ~ Had it been acceptable if the tables were turned on that comment?