Judge Rules Family Can't Refuse Chemo for Child With Cancer

  • #201
I keep coming back to the seat belt analogy. I actually know people who STILL do not wear seat belts and are phobic about being trapped in a car. Their kids do not wear seat belts, and I have expressed my opinion very clearly. One distant cousin informed me that she only uses a carseat when she goes on the highway, and I BLASTED her. Her own grandmother threatened to call DFCS. They do not use bike helmets either because, "they're hot." :rolleyes:

In general, these people may not be stupid, but they are all on the less educated side and have a lot of superstitious and "I saw it in an email" beliefs. They don't believe any method of being proven wrong, even when you can show them scientific research about carseat safety, cigarette smoke linked to SIDS, or a snopes page disclaiming that the Gap is going to send them a gift card.

They cannot ride with me. I will not start my car without everyone being buckled up. I'm fine with personal beliefs, but in MY car, everyone buckles. If you don't like it, then get OUT. Most choose to buckle (large, dramatic sigh) but the dumb cousin just never gets in my car. Luckily we hardly see each other any more because that is only one of MANY dumb things she does and I don't really want her or her idiot husband or foul mouthed children around my kids.

And no one in my family would ever ride with her; I would never let her watch my kids. Hell, I wouldn't let her watch my DOG! She is the epitome of bad judgment.

And that's how I think of the government's case. They are pretty much okay with freedom of religion and everyone raising their own kids in their own way. I think that's clear since this kid has gotten to 13 without reading, and no one has come after them. But when his life is on the line, and it's something that is virtually certain to be curable, we can't just stand by and let him die. Just like the seatbelts - yes, there is probably a small chance (maybe 5% ?) that you could be trapped in the car. Yes, there is a small chance Daniel will survive without chemo. But in the face of a 90% cure rate, in the face of seatbelt safety stats, how can we stand by and watch him die???

The ironic thing is that even the people defending her would probably tell her to make sure he wears his seatbelt. Not wearing a seatbelt isn't going to kill you for sure. It might, or it might not. But there is a 95% chance that Daniel is going to die without chemo. And while chemo sucks, dying of cancer isn't pleasant either.

As for the government letting 13yos be charged as adults, we don't give them the death penalty! Some 13yos - on a case by case basis - are charged after a review shows that they acted like adults by planning and committing a heinous crime. This judge has reviewed the case and determined that Daniel is NOT thinking like an adult. He (and his mother too!) is engaging in magical thinking that he is not even sick despite all evidence to the contrary.

Besides, being old enough for one right doesn't guarantee all of them. You can vote and go off to war at 18 but not drink until you are 21. You can't smoke or drive until you are 16, but in 16 states girls can get an abortion without parental consent or notification at any age. The government has no qualms about consistency.
 
  • #202
If they are found in Mexico, how can they legally be forced to come back? Is is just like any other extradition process?

I'm fairly impressed that they've been able to avoid getting caught, but then again, it's probably not like everyone in the world is looking for them like they might be for an escaped killer or something.
 
  • #203
Yeah well when she is in prison or jail, she can plan her son's funeral.........

Since when are parents "medical Doctors" and can treat their children for serious life threatening diseases.

It would be very obvious to parents say if their daughter is diabetic. She was be profoundly thirsty, fatigued, lose weight, frequent urination.

Then as the disease progresses.....the child has seizures and convulses...and looks pale, confused, vomiting.

Do you really expect me to believe that a "good" parent thinks in their mind that there is nothing wrong and that God will heal the child.

Sure and I swear next Christmas I am going to stay up all night just waiting for Santa to come down the fireplace. After all I prayed for that to happen and is that not what Santa does? I have read it somewhere so it must be true. Hey if it is in the bible then it must be true.....:rolleyes:

This particular parent has made the choice for HER child that an alternative TREATMENT is the way to go.

IMO Many Americans are so brainwashed that this country's medical technology is so far superior and alternative medicine practiced elsewhere is nothing short of a death sentence.

Here's an article some may find interesting......if your loved one had the type of cancer discussed in the article which would you prefer? Standard care here or treatment in Mexico?
 
  • #204
If they are found in Mexico, how can they legally be forced to come back? Is is just like any other extradition process?

I'm fairly impressed that they've been able to avoid getting caught, but then again, it's probably not like everyone in the world is looking for them like they might be for an escaped killer or something.


There are thousands of homesteading /homeschooling families out there. I wouldn't be surprised if they weren't helped every step of the way. I have a very dear friend that has become one of these families and let me tell you, they are a very close nit, connected bunch. This case certainly has all of their attention and the mother has their full support.

This case is not unique. This is happening under the radar everyday in this country.



Like I said...if I did see them...I wouldn't say anything...and I am not one of the above mentioned families.
 
  • #205
It does not appear that the Hauser's have a lot of money. Who's supporting them? IMO someone must be hiding them. I don't see how they crossed into Mexico w/o being recognized. Even in Mexico one would think they would be noticed.
 
  • #206
I just watched "Farrah's Story" again and it made me wonder:

Many people seek alternative cancer treatments outside the country. Why shouldn't Daniel's mother be able to make that decision as well? The US doctors in Farrah's case worked as a team. They didn't brow beat her for trying methods other than what they are ALLOWED to offer in this country.

In Daniel's case it sounds like Dr. God Egos with the medical team got in the way of the best patient care. If they were really concerned, they would have best served this child's needs by agreeing to work as a team with an alternative therapy and perhaps had they appeared supportive, they may have had more leverage when the time came to tell the parents that, although it has worked for others, it was not working in Daniel's case (if that happened) and that they needed to try chemo.

Maybe doctors need some training in how to deal with these types of people and also admit that other therapies have had success.
 
  • #207
http://www.twincities.com/localnews/ci_12433866

Latest story from the St. Paul Pioneer Press.

Thinking about this deeper, Daya (friend?) must have taken the mother and son to the airport. Then what? Did she rent a car? If not, who picked her up? The family doesn't appear to have a lot of money. Who's paying for treatment in Mexico? Who's paying for their food, housing?
 
  • #208
It does not appear that the Hauser's have a lot of money. Who's supporting them? IMO someone must be hiding them. I don't see how they crossed into Mexico w/o being recognized. Even in Mexico one would think they would be noticed.

I agree, Trino - they are being helped. As Linda7NJ pointed out, I'm sure there are quite a number of folks supportive of their stance.
 
  • #209
I just watched "Farrah's Story" again and it made me wonder:

Many people seek alternative cancer treatments outside the country. Why shouldn't Daniel's mother be able to make that decision as well? The US doctors in Farrah's case worked as a team. They didn't brow beat her for trying methods other than what they are ALLOWED to offer in this country.

In Daniel's case it sounds like Dr. God Egos with the medical team got in the way of the best patient care. If they were really concerned, they would have best served this child's needs by agreeing to work as a team with an alternative therapy and perhaps had they appeared supportive, they may have had more leverage when the time came to tell the parents that, although it has worked for others, it was not working in Daniel's case (if that happened) and that they needed to try chemo.

Maybe doctors need some training in how to deal with these types of people and also admit that other therapies have had success.

Probably a couple of factors at work here. One, by the time Farrah sought care outside the US, her death was almost certain. It wasn't like they were letting her choose death by seeking alternative treatment . What could it hurt when Western medicine had nothing left to offer? (I realize that chemo might extend her life, but I think saving her is something that doctors have given up on).

Second, Farrah is an adult, and a worldly one at that. I would assume that she was extensively educated about the possible treatments and their likely success, and that she made an informed decision. There is absolutely nothing to indicate that Daniel or his mother are being logical or weighing their options at all. They went to one doctor and didn't like what he said; they asked for a second opinion and heard the same thing, so now they flee. It's like a toddler plugging his ears and humming - just because they don't want to hear it doesn't mean Daniel isn't ill.

Last, Farrah didn't abandon her best shot at treatment. I don't know all of the details, but I believe she tried chemo AND the alternative medicine. My friend who has a brain tumor has also tried some alternative healing techniques, with the express approval and support of her medical team. That doesn't mean she doesn't take her chemo, but they are supportive of her openness to a spiritual path towards healing as well.

If Daniel's mother had told the doctors she wanted to to see what the alternatives were, I think they would have worked with her. Instead, she dug in her heels and refused any logic. Right now they are saying "alternative medicine," but remember that at the hearing they insisted that Daniel was not sick. If he's not sick, why does he need any kind of medicine at all? I think the alternative medicine line is just a way to gain sympathy and get the judge to cut her some slack.

The people I know who are or have battled cancer have tried numerous ways to increase their odds of survival with everything from unique diets to healing prayer services. All have done it in collaboration with their doctors, and I haven't heard of anyone being treated badly for wanting to try it. In fact, my friend's son's oncologist has plainly told her that they really don't know why some people do so much better than others and, as long as it isn't going to endanger the patient or interfere with the chemo, he's willing to try almost anything.
 
  • #210
IMO the mother should think about her life. What about her other children? Don't they need a mother, too? What will happen to her should Daniel die? Will she still believe she did the right thing, knowing he had a 95% chance of survival?

The mother is wanted for a felony arrest. I hope those who are helping her will also be charged. And, I hope the judge is really angry.
 
  • #211
People please,

It is not a matter of IF DSS and Social Service will get involved in cases of abuses and medical neglect it is just a matter of when, and hopefully not too late to save the child's life. Some of thee "cults" just keep the baby death secret, I remember reading that there was one sect that may have had 20 children die needlessly. But they keep it all quiet.

You call Doctors and the Government arrogant, what about the parents who has no medical or scientific background and no real world experience and belongs for lack of a better word a "cult" and listening to them for medical advice regarding a child's life.

There are a lot of parents who "thought" they were acting in their child's best interest who have a dead child and they are either going to get caught, are charged, or in prison.

Child abuse laws are enforced by the courts for a reason. This women cost her child the most valuable thing he has, his life.

If all else fails or if you want to try alternative treatments in conjunction with chemo, as long as chemo is taken, you can take all of the vitamins, herbs, sunshine, rainbows, cotton candy all you want. But until the later is proved to better effective to the former, the "medical doctors" will some how want a life saving treatment for a child. That until they can read all the peer reviewed article that state alternative medicine and the narcissism of parents is more effective.

But if you deny your child life saving treatment, be prepared to a)bury your child, b)get a very good lawyer c)try to scientifically explain your beliefs and how those "alternatives" treatments helped the child and treated the cancer d) be prepared to serve a prison sentence for allowing and helping a child to die.

So lets all wait and see what happens next to this mother and her"dead child" walking son.

She might as well have sentenced the child to death row because she will be responsible for his death. Let me repeat that just in case someone might of misread.....the mother, the person who gave birth to this child is responsible for his impending death and the courts were trying to prevent her from doing that to no avail.

It is black letter law.........there is no doubt as to to the law and the intent, to protect children from the ones that should love them.
 
  • #212
I wonder if this case (and cases like it) make those who generally avoid Western medicine for themselves and their families even MORE likely to steer clear of our doctors. It certainly gives me pause and I don't mind going to a doctor....

My continued prayers for this family.
 
  • #213
This particular parent has made the choice for HER child that an alternative TREATMENT is the way to go.

IMO Many Americans are so brainwashed that this country's medical technology is so far superior and alternative medicine practiced elsewhere is nothing short of a death sentence.

Here's an article some may find interesting......if your loved one had the type of cancer discussed in the article which would you prefer? Standard care here or treatment in Mexico?

Hodgkins Disease though, has been proven by history, to be about the BEST cancer you can get, for survival rates. In children, it is almost 100% CURABLE, if treated in time. This is recorded and proven by medical science. It happens alot in young people, and has been cured alot.

Most parents, you would THINK, would be very grateful that their child would have a 95% cure rate. Believe me, dying of cancer is far more painful than going through chemo. I have watched my father die of cancer, and I have watched my own husband be cured of Hodgkins disease. He would sleep the week he had treatment, then work and do things as normal the second week. His chemo was every other week for 3 or 4 months. They have drugs for the nausea now; he never even threw up.

It is radiation that was much harder on him, than the chemo. It literally burns you up. It was difficult in the neck/throat area as you lose your taste buds. But they did come back.

If the boy goes from stage I, to II or III, it will be more difficult to cure him, but not impossible.

It is true that chemo and radiation might cause you to get another cancer, such as leukemia, later on. The chance is about 6%.

Many cancers are difficult to treat; but not this one. You would think these parents would be thanking their lucky stars. Parents have the right to distrust proven science if they want, for themselves, but to have your own "unproven" ways cause your child to die, is neglect/abuse in my book.

I do hope they will find them; the Mother will be facing jail. Yes, what about the rest of her family?
 
  • #214
Mom and son have returned back to Minnasota.
 
  • #215
I too have thought about the Mother leaving the rest of the family. That is hard, I think, but I also understand how when one child is in crisis, they need more of your resources.

I hope Daniel is getting good care wherever he is!
 
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Good; I'm glad to hear that. Does anyone know what stage his Hodgkins is?
 
  • #218
Good; I'm glad to hear that. Does anyone know what stage his Hodgkins is?

Marthatex, before they left a week ago, the doc they saw said the cancer was right back about where it had been before his first round of chemo, so I doubt that in a week's time it has advanced to anything "untreatable."

I am delighted that they returned voluntarily and the warrants against his Mom have been lifted and I am glad they are all together heading to the hospital. I fully support any decision they make as long as they are the ones making it.
 
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