jury is out until Wednesday 21 March: general discussion thread

[Salem]

Where did the crown say this? Im curious as very close to the HD in Guelph there is a drive thru ATM. I am wondering if the trio was captured on camera during this transaction.

I believe this was said during the Crown's opening statement. It should be in the media thread for the first day of the trial. I'm pretty sure that is where it was indicated there was video of the ATM stop.

Salem

 

[matou]

Most kids drive automatics these days. It's like playing video games. In view of all the other illegal things these two have done, I doubt if driving without a license or insurance would have been any big deal.

A person who used to post here stated that his car was a standard transmission.

 

[paris_paris]

(Respectfully snipped)

There doesn't necessarily have to be a correlation there. He could have been involved in drugs long before he moved to Guelph, long afterward, or (if TLM is lying), not at all. None of the places he's associated with are that far apart. People travel and can work in different towns from where they live. BA was said to be (have been?) a real estate agent. I suspect she covers more than Guelph and could have easily traveled to Woodstock, Toronto, etc. According to TLM, MR bought drugs from her in Woodstock. BA was obviously not his only connection to alleged drug buying.

MOO!

I thought ?? was the real estate agent.

Just to confuse ya'll.

Sorry... edited for speculation and rumours. Off to the corner with me.

 

[swedie]

Do we even know if TLM can drive or if she has a license?

TLM stated in that she does not have a license and does not know how to drive standard vehicles. HTH. It was asked one her first day to the stand. Going searching.

 

[swedie]

Where did the crown say this? Im curious as very close to the HD in Guelph there is a drive thru ATM. I am wondering if the trio was captured on camera during this transaction.

FF see my post and link #76. HTH

 

[Flowercb]

Was the Crown treating TLM as a hostile witness today?

Is the Crown "allowed" to call in the Statement of Facts etc. from TLM's "trial"?

I agree that it seemed as if the Crown was trying to discredit TLM today.:moo:

I guess they probably have enough of their own evidence that they don't need her mixed up testimony. They have their own theory and hopefully evidence. The Crown probably wants to pin the actual murder act on Rafferty. MOO MOO MOO:moo:

This makes me wonder again, if she is following through in defending him like she promised.:moo::jail:

 

[maxfactor]

http://www.sunnewsnetwork.ca/video/1514060259001

 

[swedie]

Where did the crown say this? Im curious as very close to the HD in Guelph there is a drive thru ATM. I am wondering if the trio was captured on camera during this transaction.

I brought this info forward for you FF.

The pair then went to a Petro Canada gas station in the north end of Guelph, where a video camera caught Rafferty heading to the ATM machine. He took out cash, got back in the car and drove closer to a nearby Home Depot.


http://www.torontosun.com/2012/03/05/tori-stafford-murder-trial-gets-underway

 

[swedie]

http://www.sunnewsnetwork.ca/video/1514060259001

WOW Max!!! So powerful and true. :what: Thank you for finding this. lease:

 

[Jezbel]

Do we even know if TLM can drive or if she has a license?

TLM has stated that she does not have a license, I know it's been said before but I believe she also reiterated this when asked by the crown on her first day of testimony.

Also I think someone else asked about his car, it was a standard not auto.

 

[maxfactor]

WOW Max!!! So powerful and true. :what: Thank you for finding this. lease:

This is what we can all do for Tori's family and to honor her memory.

 

[Wondergirl]

I think this is exactly what the Crown was trying to get get across this week.

TLM most definitely admits to being the one who wielded the hammer.

SHE killed Tori.

But, MTR was the reason they were there, and he contributed.

She has absolutely no reason or benefit to say she killed her, if she is trying to falsely "pin" it on MTR.

It would be far easier for her to say that MTR killed Tori, if that was her motive, to "bring him down".

MOO

No matter how many minutes of that video statement McClintic watched in a London courtroom Friday, and no matter how many ways and times — more than 60 — Crown attorney Kevin Gowdey asked her about it, she continued to insist she was the one who kicked Tori and she was the one who killed her with a hammer.

“Having reviewed all these clips from your May 24 statement, are you still insisting that your evidence of earlier this week was correct?

“You were the one with the hammer?

“You were the one that did the kicking?”

“Yes,” McClintic said.

Then why lie in May 2009 and say Rafferty did it? Gowdey asked.

“Because I could not accept that I was capable of committing something so heinous,” McClintic replied.

http://www.lfpress.com/news/london/2012/03/16/19514241.html

 

[paris_paris]

edit edit

Sorry... we are not supposed to discuss anything not said in court.

 

[matou]

And this BA woman? Still wondering....

 

[nonfictionrocks]

WOW Max!!! So powerful and true. :what: Thank you for finding this. lease:

Wow, the one I watched in the link was 14 minutes long. Was there another one only 4 minutes long available too?

 

[JayFriend]

http://www.sunnewsnetwork.ca/video/1514060259001

Yes, I bet all of us would like the death penalty back in cases like this. However, with mistakes being made aside, what would really change? It seems that in states that have the DP, the prisoner still spends decades on death row, often expending untold taxpayer dollars on appeals to boot. How is that different from a 25 year "life" sentence?

 

[Wondergirl]

More here:

After McClintic said yes, Gowdey asked her would it help to review a portion of that statement.

“I recall it clearly, but I could review it, yes,” she said.

McClintic took about a half an hour to review the statement. She was then asked if, after reviewing the statement, she’d like to change her testimony of this week.

No, she replied. “It was myself that, in fact, committed the murder.”

That led to McClintic and jurors reviewing segments of her May 24, 2009 video statement, and answering Gowdey’s questions.

At times, McClintic cried as she watched herself sob and struggle in the video to make sense of the killing. Some of Tori’s family watched in tears and others with grim looks on their faces.

McClintic’s video statement released more graphic details of how she and Rafferty tossed Tori’s body near a pile of rocks.

Gowdey suggested to McClintic that every interpretation of her video statement put her away from the scene while Rafferty did the kicking and the killing.

He also asked why McClintic couldn’t tell police on May 24 2009 how many times Tori was kicked and then struck with the hammer, if she did it herself.

“Your efforts to implicate Mr. Rafferty were thought through so carefully that you would make up a story that didn’t even have the exact number of blows? Is that what you are saying?” Gowdey asked.

“I guess so,” McClintic replied.

http://www.lfpress.com/news/london/2012/03/16/19514241.html

 

[antiquegirl]

And this BA woman? Still wondering....

Sorry, I could swear I saw that in a Tweet during the first day of the trial, but can't find it. Not sure why it's important, but maybe you'll have better luck.

JMO

 

[paris_paris]

Do we know anything else about BA? Other than she may be a realtor. I'm wondering what age she would be, or where in Guelph she lived.

 

[margaret_diane]

TLM stated in that she does not have a license and does not know how to drive standard vehicles. HTH. It was asked one her first day to the stand. Going searching.

Ya but she lies through her teeth!!
That isn't my opinion either - that is a proven fact at this point.