Kaine recalls when the marriage began to sour

[DairyGirl]

I predict we will find out she has an alcohol and/or drug problem.

The DUI should be the first clue.

Eta I think I can see a trip to rehab or inpatient in her near future.

 

[gwenabob]

The DUI should be the first clue.

Eta I think I can see a trip to rehab or inpatient in her near future.

Yep.

I guess I should have added: "that became a much bigger problem around the time the baby came on board."

 

[ClueMeIn]

Very sad how both of Kaine's marriages soured around the time of pregnancies.

18 months later is not around the time of the pregnancy.

 

[Emma Peel]

I don't understand what you wrote. Can you help me?

Help you understand my intuition regarding what part of this story will next unfold? I can try - it's not that complicated - but it's also JMO and FWIW.

I believe there is a purpose to this article and Kaine admitting that ... the marriage began to sour when... Frankly, that's a big admission.

Why's he admitting the marriage soured? To get Terri an insanity defense? No, IMO, that's not it.

I'm guessing that the next public disclosures in this case will go towards establishing Terri's motive for wanting to hire a hitman, and Terri's motive for disappearing Kyron. These are not actions of an insane person...These are actions of a purposeful, thinking, plotting, (possibly vengeful) person...

So...the next skeleton is, I believe, the marital problems. I expect (although I could be wrong) that the marital problem(s) caused the one partner to decide to take the hit out on the other one.

I don't think it's really going to be a big surprise at this point in the story. But I think this article is leading up to this part of the story.

I hope that helps - and these are just my impressions and they are just FWIW.

 

[DollyPardonMe]

Pictures say a 1000 words.........and pictures from when baby K is born til present;
shows a TH deterriating to me. Weight gain, flabby, hair not kept up (not trimmed)
lots exhausted, worried, just different. IMO something bad was happening.
If true she wanted Kaine dead..........why?
then plan 2 hurt him bad by KYRON...........everything went out of control for TH.
IMO, she is very unstable, why? PPD, personality disorder or mental abuse?
It happens all the time, IMO

It's easy to blame someone else for gaining weight, looking shabby, letting your looks go down the drain..You can claim they are abusing you by the worse abuse known to mankind..They are ignoring you! My EX never laid a hand on me and I wanted to hurt him, for what I conceived, doing all this stuff to me. I finally had to put on my big girl panties and file for divorce and I was the most unstable person due to my Bipolar Disorder. I don't think we can blame PPD or personality disorder on everything. Some people are just down right evil and want to be Queen!

 

[gwenabob]

Very sad how both of Kaine's marriages soured around the time of pregnancies.

18 months later is not around the time of the pregnancy.

Kaine said in the article their marriage started faltering around the time the baby was born.

Kaine and Desiree split up around the time Kyron was born, too. Interesting.

 

[ClueMeIn]

To be quite honest, NOTHING is an excuse for this. He could have been a wife beater, and even THAT is not an excuse!

I don't get what anyone is getting at by insinuating that this could be part Kaine's fault!

 

[eyes4crime]

Very sad how both of Kaine's marriages soured around the time of pregnancies.

18 months later is not around the time of the pregnancy.

2000...Desiree and Kaine married

2001 - marriage soured, separation in the works.

January, 2002 - Desiree becomes pregnant - try again at marriage

August, 2002 - Desiree 8 months pregnant, files for divorce.

September 9th, 2002 - Kyron is born.

2003 - Kaine & Desiree officially divorce. Kyron lives with Desiree (shared custody)

One month after divorce - Desiree fears Kaine will "remove our children from their residence". Restraining order issued with orders that neither parent can take children away. (source: WW)

**snip**

Looks like the first year or so of marriage the souring began. moo

 

[WhyaDuck?]

To be quite honest, NOTHING is an excuse for this. He could have been a wife beater, and even THAT is not an excuse!

I don't get what anyone is getting at by insinuating that this could be part Kaine's fault!

FWIW, I don't think anyone here is claiming that KH could do anything that would be worth Kyron dying, if that is what you are seeing in peoples' posts.

 

[Emma Peel]

Very sad how both of Kaine's marriages soured around the time of pregnancies.

18 months later is not around the time of the pregnancy.

This thread refers to this article below. These are Kaine's words - as to when the marriage began to sour. Not mine.

http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2010/07/kyron_hormans_father_recalls_w.html

The father of missing second-grader Kyron Horman said Thursday that his marriage to the boy's stepmom began to grow rocky after she gave birth to their little girl 19 months ago.

"I thought the marriage was doing pretty well," Kaine Horman said during a one-on-one interview with The Oregonian, "until we had our daughter, K****."

 

[wondering1]

I predict we will find out she has an alcohol and/or drug problem.

or, if the ppd scenario is plausible, some kind of anti-d's and maybe also drug/alcohol abuse. The RO says she is 5'6" and weighs 170 lbs!!! First off, that shows me KH is conscious of TH's weight. What husband would publicly announce his wife's weight at 170 lbs, even if it were true. And the number shows that he knows her weight or believes that to be true because, imo, no man would deliberately overestimate a wife's weight -- either out of fear lol or vanity (my wife is hot).

Second, I'm an inch taller than her and weigh a full 40 lbs. less and consider myself a "little" flabby in the tum tum. Taking her muscle mass (from 5 years ago) into consideration, I'm still thinking that 5'6", 170 is kinda big, at least by their standards. And the pics seem to bear it out. Anti-d's can put on a significant amount of weight in a very short time, so maybe she's being treated? Pure speculation, but imo it makes a lot of sense. Especially since Kaine is saying things changed after baby girl, and that you can't swing a cat these days w/o hitting a doc who's begging to write you an anti-d scrip...jmojmojmo

 

[gwenabob]

To be quite honest, NOTHING is an excuse for this. He could have been a wife beater, and even THAT is not an excuse!

I don't get what anyone is getting at by insinuating that this could be part Kaine's fault!

Oh, dear. I sure hope you don't think *I* was in any way insinuating that this is in any way Kaine's fault. No, no, no, no. I have known Terri was behind this for a very long time and have not been shy about saying so within the TOS.

I was only agreeing that it shows an interesting pattern.

But you are absolutely correct in saying there is NO EXCUSE for what has happened here.

 

[butwhatif?]

As an aside, I think the wording here is a bit thoughtless, and would suggest any parent wanting to talk of their marriage going sour after their child born to rethink saying this in any way that the child might get a hold of later in life, esp not in the press. I worry K., in the future, will read, "I came along, and dad and mom hated each other, so Kyron died."

Not a good load to dump on a kid, though I know it was totally not meant that way.

Wording counts.

True. But I keep going back to everything that was said in todays presser.

Desiree: "I don't want kyron to come home and have all this other stuff out there hanging over our heads that changes our relationship"

So they are thinking about what effect these words could have on their kids in the future, which is why I'm convinced this is part of LE's "gameplan".

IMO, They know there will be a trial in the future where all the skeletons will come out anyway, and at this point they have weighed everything up very carefully.

This is the one way to get Terri to tell where Kyron is, with her thinking she will not be punished....because she will have the defense that the hormones made her do it.

In Terri's mind, it's takes her from being seen as the evil stepmom, to a victim of sorts....which is exactly where she wants to be imo.

I think it's a brilliant move on LE's part. Might cause problems at trial, but right now finding Kyron is the number one priority....as they have been saying all along.

All JMO

 

[greenpalm]

Yes... I fully expect Terri and her lawyer bustin' out Kaine's skeletons. I agree!

Yeah, they will, but how bad can it be? If the media hasn't sniffed it out by now, there can't be much else. They didn't hesitate to trot out his brother the SO. Terri's friends have already been quoted in the media saying how swell things are, what a great homelife and closeknit blended family they have. I am certain anything even slightly unflattering about Kaine will come to the surface, but I think the media would have been alllllll over any extramarital affairs. if they'd found them, or any other big stinkies. We shall se...

 

[Mrs G Norris]

At this stage anything she says against Kaine will just be another example of her horrible nature as far as I am concerned. I think it's the worst thing she could do, as it would only cement in my mind that this was an act of revenge, which in her own twisted mind is somehow justified.

Well it's not, now way, now how. I just want this woman to tell someone what horrific thing she did to Kyron, and if she can't do that, to let someone know, even anonymously where he is.

Then I want her to drop off the face of the earth. I'm so furious about this whole situation that I can't even be rational anymore.

 

[Emma Peel]

To be quite honest, NOTHING is an excuse for this. He could have been a wife beater, and even THAT is not an excuse!

I don't get what anyone is getting at by insinuating that this could be part Kaine's fault!

We're looking for Terri's motive (if LE is building a case against Terri, they are also looking - or have already found - motive.)

That's about as far as it goes. Everyone realizes (IMO) that motive is in the mind of Terri - and that's what counts.

And everyone realizes that there is no acceptable or excusable motive for the acts she's allegedly committed.

Motive's really very important in this case, IMO. I mean, if these allegations we're learning about are true, they point to pre-meditated everything - and there's no insanity defense for that.

 

[Wrinkles]

Very sad how both of Kaine's marriages soured around the time of pregnancies.

Actually, I think that Desiree and Kaine's marriage was said to be in trouble "before" she became pregnant but then she became pregnant.

As for Kaine's marriage, he has mentioned he thought they were doing well until "after" the baby was born.

I can't connect any dots here, not even one.

 

[greenpalm]

I predict we will find out she has an alcohol and/or drug problem.

Hm. That's an interesting prediction, and while it wouldn't SHOCK me, I'm just struggling to see how the puzzle pieces we currently have clearly add up to drugs or alcohol. You've sparked my curiosity, what are you seeing that leads you to that conclusion?

 

[mrsjonnob]

2000...Desiree and Kaine married

2001 - marriage soured, separation in the works.

January, 2002 - Desiree becomes pregnant - try again at marriage

August, 2002 - Desiree 8 months pregnant, files for divorce.

September 9th, 2002 - Kyron is born.

2003 - Kaine & Desiree officially divorce. Kyron lives with Desiree (shared custody)

One month after divorce - Desiree fears Kaine will "remove our children from their residence". Restraining order issued with orders that neither parent can take children away. (source: WW)

**snip**

Looks like the first year or so of marriage the souring began. moo

Blue bolded by me...

If KH made threats like "If you leave me, you will never see Kyron (and Baby K in the case of his marriage to TH) again".

He could have thrown the DUI in Terri's face, convincing her no court would grant her custody if they split up. Terri becomes desperate, considers murder for hire, and as was theorized in another thread, Terri hides Kyron with plans to take off with Baby K. Maybe she didn't count on Kaine coming home as early as he did.

MMO

 

[Ms Suzanne]

The DUI should be the first clue.

Eta I think I can see a trip to rehab or inpatient in her near future.

The DUI was 5 years ago.It's not today.She apparantly it looks like to me not to have had another problem.I will say going into treatment and AA meetings if you have a drug and alcohol problem will only make you look good.Not bad.Every day,one day at a time,that you are sober actually looks very good to keep your kids.