Kaine tells us about Terri and PPD - what role does it play in this case, if any?

[DairyGirl]

This may have been discussed but maybe Kaine is sending a message to Terri, kind of like I understand that you had problems and it wasn't your fault? Maybe to let her guard down and be able to admit what happened?

 

[eyes4crime]

This is seriously messed up. IDK what else to say.

http://blogs.wweek.com/news/2010/07/08/kaine-horman-kyrons-stepmom-suffered-post-partum-depression/

“As far as I’m concerned, probably up until a month or two before Kyron was gone — and then she could have been hiding it at that point,” Kaine Horman said.

He said the illness manifested in rapid mood swings.
“It wasn’t anything that was overly violent in nature,” Horman said. “It was just really erratic types of swings, from being very emotional to suddenly being very frustrated.”

Horman said he’s not sure what type of medication his wife was on or when she stopped taking it.

How does one hide "erratic mood swings"? As a female who has experienced the wonderful effects of PMS over the years and now the joys of peri-menopause, I will be the first to testify (and my family members will agree lol) that mood swings are not something that can simply be hidden. We're sometimes at the mercy of our endocrine systems, even when we're completely healthy.

And I agree with others who have said if he was "supposed to watch her closely for a six-month period" why didn't he know what medication she was prescribed? IMO, part of watching someone closely who is ill is making sure they take their medication so that they get well.
Often
This stinks. I need to open a few windows to let some air in.

Maybe she was on a couple medications. Often, an underlying hormonal imbalance is occurring so Tx is with both, AD and hormones. Maybe he didn't know the names. Wasn't interested. Or feels bad about not telling us this info for so long. moo

 

[seekingjustice**]

I had PPD, thankfully not PPP. I never wanted to hurt my baby, more the opposite really. I was obsessed with her and wouldn't let anybody else hold her.

I wonder if this is a 'way out of this mess' statement from Kaine to Terri.

 

[s_finch]

Sounds to me like Kaine is helping her defense team with the hope he finds out where Kyron is. I imagine that all Kaine cares about right now is finding Kyron and keeping baby K safe. TH has the answers to the questions, helping her only helps Kaine.

From a personal perspective it doesn't sound like she had PPP. I had a relative with PPP and she could not function in any kind of way for 2 years. PPD on the other hand sounds to me like what TH had (and is what Kaine said) and that's actually a fairly flimsy defense but a help with her defense all the same.

When LE and DY said that they believe Kyron is alive, I wondered if possibly they found an unexplainable chunk of money in TH's possession and that makes them think she sold Kyron.

JMOO

 

[cluciano63]

Why would Kaine admit this, which seems to help Terri out, but not even have an opinion about Terri's relationship with Kyron? Unless he knows it was very bad. Then he would not want to say anything.

I am really confused, but I can see even more how something spontaneous may have happened on that day, if she was on or off the meds all year and maybe was even taking something else to try to take off weight, for all we know. She may have been on a combination of things-she looked as though she could have been on meds during that first PC.

 

[CocoChanel]

Hi sorrell - I've seen SSRI's given for PPD. I know what you are thinking - in some it can cause a worsening of suicidal ideation or may result in lashing out to others. Especially in children (has a black box warning). Can cause severe agitation and increase anger. Very important for us to know what medication she was taking. moo

ETA: Hopefully Terri was being monitored for symptoms and if anger/agitation occurred, she was switched to another AD. Some adverse reactions and side effects are rare but when they happen to you it's 100%. moo

I believe these press events with DY & KH are very much planned and orchestrated with direction from FBI or other LE experts. I believe they are well coached on what and what not to say. Under such circumstances, I believe they were instructed NOT to say the names of any medications at this time in the investigation. I believe that when this case comes to trial, IF TH is the one accused, specific medications will play a huge role in the evidence. But at this juncture, I think it will only be referred to in passing so as not to muddy the waters. Imagine if KH had identified a specific AD in the interviews as one TH was taking regularly. The pharmaceutical company would have the beginning of a PR nightmare, and countless people taking that Rx would perhaps worry about being 'like TH'. That may still happen, but we won't know yet until a trial. Right now we just need to FIND KYRON. And if KH's description of TH's PPD, without disclosing the specific med, helps accomplish that by affecting public opinion into being a bit more understanding of what might have led to this tragedy, I'm all for it.

 

[Aedrys]

You have to remember, Kaine is a man. Men just don't pay enough attention, especially when it's women problems. When I've had mood swings around my husband, he gives me space, and even if we talk about it later, we don't talk for a long time, just enough that we know everything is back to normal and we can move on. My point is, if something were severely wrong with me, I'm sure my husband would know, but I'm not sure how closely he'd watch me or if he'd even pay attention to what medication I'm on unless it's one he already knows about, especially if it's a woman problem. He already doesn't like me talking about a period or women things like tampons or pads. He doesn't even want to think about his daughter becoming a woman. Men don't like to fixate on woman problems, even PPD.

Also, men just want things to be fixed. I'm sure he did watch her, and probably knew she was on medication, and that was the extent of it. He probably just wanted her fixed, probably wanted the problem to go away, and like every man, doesn't understand that some problems can't just be fixed. It takes time, and even with time, there's no guarantee she was going to be PPD free someday.

He probably had the hope that she would be okay and never dreamed she would get to the point where she would harm someone. There's a big difference between someone who is sick and needs help, and someone who would harm someone else. I doubt Kaine ever thought she would hurt one of his kids, and why would he necessarily make that leap?

I'm not going to come down hard on Kaine with something like this. Men just don't understand things like PPD, or PPP, or heck, even PMS, or PMDD. When it comes to women problems, men leave that to the women. Now if it's a man problem, they know all about that and will handle that, but don't want to talk about it.

Yes, maybe he should have paid more attention, and if he was a woman, he would have, but he's a man, and they just don't pay enough attention. Heck, I have to tell my husband and dad when I get a haircut because unless I shave my head, they wouldn't notice otherwise. Now the women in my life would notice if I cut just an inch. That's just how it is with men and women.

 

[ElizaAvalon]

Just because Kaine does not know what meds his wife was on does not mean she was not on any.

My son has been taking the same daily medication for the past 3 years and my husband (who occasionally administers it) could not tell you the name of it - he just knows what it's for.

 

[oh_gal]

She could have hidden the severity of the PPD. Some people can do that, even if they are clinically depressed. After six months, she could have acted more "normal" and he could have assumed she was doing a bit better. Maybe not 100% like before the baby was born but maybe after six months she was doing quite a bit better than she was in the first few weeks and months after K's birth.

IMO, a lot of women are so mad at themselves for having PPD, to any degree, that they do their best at hiding it and only make it worse on themselves and possibly their babies.

I'm curious as to what AD she was on. I don't care if she weaned or went cold turkey (the latter being a bad idea, but regardless..). I'm just curious as to what she was on. If it were a regular AD like Zoloft or something they give people with BPD (bipolar disorder), which certain BPD drugs are prescribed for PPD sometimes (in more severe cases)?

A lot of OBs handle women and their PPD, as do general practitioners. I think they could sometimes (easily) miss when this is a case of PTSD or PPP (postpartum psychosis - very rare, but possible). So, for no real reason other than I am nosy, I am curious to know who prescribed the medications to her as well. And WHO instructed Kaine to keep an eye on her? Was it just something he opted to do or? *scratching head*

A BIG OLE' MOO TO THIS ENTIRE POST OF MINE!

(bbm)
After 6 months of living with or experiencing any type of behavior, I wonder if you start to become desensitized to it (both the person suffering and family affected by it) so that what first seemed really bizzare 6 months ago seems like standard operating procedure after enduring it for 6 months.

 

[CocoChanel]

Why would Kaine admit this, which seems to help Terri out, but not even have an opinion about Terri's relationship with Kyron? Unless he knows it was very bad. Then he would not want to say anything.

I am really confused, but I can see even more how something spontaneous may have happened on that day, if she was on or off the meds all year and maybe was even taking something else to try to take off weight, for all we know. She may have been on a combination of things-she looked as though she could have been on meds during that first PC.

BBM

You may be right. That helps me understand a bit why she looked and acted so oddly. Count me as one who thought TH stuck out like a sore thumb during that presser.

 

[rosiebean]

How can you hide depression from your spouse??? I know I can hide a lot of moods from coworkers, friends, etc. But my spouse can definitely tell when I'm not myself. His statements make me think he was either in complete denial or their marriage was in such trouble that he was oblivious to her moods.

I had a, thankfully, mild case of PPD that went undiagnosed almost until I was climbing out of it (it took me feeling good to realize how bad I'd felt). My husband knew I wasn't myself, but he blamed that on our busy schedule and having two kids under two years old. I've since met other women who were depressed for a while before diagnosis (PPD and other forms), and for quite a few of them, the illness almost wrecked their marriages. If Kaine and TH were having problems, it could very well have been due to the PPD...even when diagnosed properly, depression is very hard on couples. I am lucky that my husband put up with a lot from me when I wasn't myself. I remind myself of that every time he leaves socks on the floor, lol.

If she is still suffering from PPD and is involved, it explains a lot, IMO.

 

[keeponsearching]

My friends mom was a changed person during her menstrual cycle, I wonder if thats when the erratic behavior took place. The friend would tell me anything could make her mom blow up, and even once her mom had hit her, enough to bruise.... I think after having kids, some people hormonal level doesn't balance quite right.

 

[eyes4crime]

I believe these press events with DY & KH are very much planned and orchestrated with direction from FBI or other LE experts. I believe they are well coached on what and what not to say. Under such cercumstances, I believe they were instructed NOT to say the names of any medications at this time in the investigation. I believe that when this case comes to trial, IF TH is the one accused, medication will play a huge role in the evidence. But at this juncture, I think it will only be referred to in passing so as not to muddy the waters. Imagine if KH identifies a specific AD as one TH was taking regularly. The pharmaceutical company would have the beginning of a PR nightmare. That may still happen, but we won't know yet until a trial. Right now we just need to FIND KYRON. And if KH's description of TH's PPD, without disclosing the specific med, helps accomplish that by affecting public opinion into being a bit more understanding of what might have led to this tragedy, I'm all for it.

You make some good points and I agree with you. PPD is very complex and usually treated with hormone therapy and an antidepressant. If there is evidence of a thought disorder or delusional thinking an antipsychotic medication would be in order.

Lots of side effects along with many physical/social/emotional changes - can't stop wondering about postpartum depression/psychosis. Knowing her medication would tell us what she was being treated for. I know, it's not for us to know, but I still am curious, and now, very afraid for Kyron.

I find it important if psychosis was involved because that could very well explain why Kyron is missing.

 

[cluciano63]

I'm not finding it more likely that Kyron is hidden away if Terri was suffering from depression, etc...in fact ,probably less. Maybe back when/if she tried to hire the landscaper, she was at her wit's end...and more recently, she was still suffering, but more in secret and less likely to be looking to the outside for "help" with anything. I fear that this bodes worse for Kyron, if Terri has mentally unstable for as long as 18 months, perhaps. I do think that if she tried to hire someone to kill Kaine, that she truly believed he had wronged her. And when her plans did not come to fruition, she may have stewed quietly all of the following months until "snapping." Talk about a case for "Snapped."...

 

[redkatrampant]

I am BiPolar. I have stated that in previous posts. I was dx 16 years ago. I have been on various meds and combination of meds. My DH who has always been very involved in my treatment could NOT NAME any of my drugs if you asked them. At some points he has even doled them out or I would forget to take them. He could not ,even them, name them.

 

[hollye]

I am BiPolar. I have stated that in previous posts. I was dx 16 years ago. I have been on various meds and combination of meds. My DH who has always been very involved in my treatment could NOT NAME any of my drugs if you asked them. At some points he has even doled them out or I would forget to take them. He could not ,even them, name them.

I have to agree. I take a few meds for various things and I can guarantee that my husband does not have a clue what meds I take. He knows where to find them, if an emergency came up and he needed to be able to tell someone what I take, but he has no idea what I actually take on a daily basis.

 

[WholeLottaRosie]

And at her age, she could be peri menopausal, which brings its own hormone issues. If she were being treated/on meds, which I think from the first presser as well, that could well affect a polygraph.

I have been on a lot of meds at various times in the past 12 years. I keep a list in my wallet and one on our frig, of mine and anything any family member is on. DH can always tell you what anyone has it for, and often the drug, but not always. This makes it easy if he would ever have to be the one to tell someone if I couldn't. Right now its only two, but he knows them, as I just asked him. LOL. And I list supplements/vitamins on the lists as well, so EMTs/ER can know that as well.

 

[evelyn24]

I'm not buying this carp. If she did this to Kyron, it wasn't some erratic emotional outburst or mood swing, but a carefully planned sneaky evil plot.
I think Kaine is trying to find solace in the fact his entire life with this woman wasn't some big lie, and he surely feels guilt over Kyron's disappearance. It's easier to blame something else, something outwardly, than believe the person you loved, married, and had kids with is a liar and capable of hurting you and your child. It's easier than believing you were that blind and foolish to not see it. Not saying Kaine was blind or foolish but just that HE probably feels this way, and now he needs an explanation for the unexplainable. It gives people peace of mind to be able to find a reason for the unreasonable.
But anyway....

 

[redkatrampant]

And at her age, she could be peri menopausal, which brings its own hormone issues. If she were being treated/on meds, which I think from the first presser as well, that could well affect a polygraph.

I have been on a lot of meds at various times in the past 12 years. I keep a list in my wallet and one on our frig, of mine and anything any family member is on. DH can always tell you what anyone has it for, and often the drug, but not always. This makes it easy if he would ever have to be the one to tell someone if I couldn't. Right now its only two, but he knows them, as I just asked him. LOL. And I list supplements/vitamins on the lists as well, so EMTs/ER can know that as well.

Yes the hormones play a big part in it. This is why IMO she had either PPD or BP.One of the reasons that I had to change drugs was the huge wave of changing hormones that hit when the change hit. ( the only thing that has changed for ME is that my friend visits a LOT more each month). I too have a list of course because I am also on meds for high blood pressure, anemia ( figure THAT out ) and a beta blocker. Dh would know where to find this list but not being able to tell you right off the top of his head.

 

[LiveLaughLuv]

Why would Kaine admit this, which seems to help Terri out, but not even have an opinion about Terri's relationship with Kyron? Unless he knows it was very bad. Then he would not want to say anything.

I am really confused, but I can see even more how something spontaneous may have happened on that day, if she was on or off the meds all year and maybe was even taking something else to try to take off weight, for all we know. She may have been on a combination of things-she looked as though she could have been on meds during that first PC.

You know, I had this gut feeling once I heard/read TH was a body builder, could she have been taking steroids/diet aids to get her back to her weight building days? Those drugs coupled with PPD would reek havoc on one's mind, body and soul. Didn't she think Kaine was having an affair? Could she have become paranoid with the use of those aminoacid type drugs body builders usually use to increase muscles??? Did she not feel good about her appearance??? I saw she wore the oversized shirts so I'd assume that was the case...whatever it is, I just hope and pray Kyron is alive and well with someone caring for him...JHMO

Where is Kyron???