Kaine tells us about Terri and PPD - what role does it play in this case, if any?

[Ms Suzanne]

What I want to know is who smeared the 7 year old little boy, Kyron?

Does anybody think bashing his Mother and Father is a good thing? I suppose some do so long as it takes the focus off the last adult entrusted with his care when he vanished to heaven knows where.

It's not right smear anyone and I am glad LE stated thier press conferences did not come from them.

 

[Adalena935]

Don't know if this has been posted yet, but it is quite interesting and makes it clear that LE is NOT orchestrating these new finger pointing sessions:

There will be no comment from the Multnomah County Sheriff's Office regarding the information reported during the Horman/Young July 8, 2010 press conferences. The information released in during these conferences did NOT come from the Multnomah County Sheriff's Office. This is an ongoing investigation.

http://www.flashalert.net/news.html?id=1276&alert=1

Not surprising. It would be kinda silly for LE to hold a pressor to talk about somebody else's pressor.

 

[LadyL]

It's disheartening to see comments insinuating that Desiree & Kaine could've/should've/would've done this, that or the other. There've been comments here & there casting aspertions on TH's parents as well (in other threads). If TH did something to Kyron, then it's her own fault and no one else's. If she didn't continue treatment or seek help and consequently hurt Kyron, then what is her excuse for not coming forward and telling the truth now? Why does the blame have to be splintered off? Yes, we can try to find answers as to why she might have been violent so that lessons can be learned for the future but I'm pretty sure Kaine & Desiree and even TH's parents (if she's guilty) will be blaming themselves plenty enough for years to come. I don't see how hurting them further is beneficial to anyone. MOO MOO MOO.

 

[rosiebean]

I agree and PPD is usually over in about 6 months.I doubt she had it for a year.It's just from hormones from having a baby.Your hormones do get back to normal after a baby.PPD is usually for a short time after giving birth.I've had a few babies so I do know this.PPD is NOT a mental disorder.It's hormonal.

The Mayo Clinic, among others, disagree with some of your assesments (from http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/postpartum-depression/DS00546):

Many new moms experience the baby blues after childbirth, which commonly include mood swings and crying spells and fade quickly. But some new moms experience a more severe, long-lasting form of depression known as postpartum depression. Rarely, an extreme form of postpartum depression known as postpartum psychosis develops after childbirth.

There's no single cause for postpartum depression. Physical, emotional and lifestyle factors may all play a role.

With appropriate treatment, postpartum depression usually goes away within a few months. In some cases, postpartum depression lasts up to a year. It's important to continue treatment after you begin to feel better, however. Stopping treatment too early may only lead to a relapse.


I've had a few babies myself, and I had PPD, which can manifest up to a year after delivery. My case of PPD wasn't a short term thing that went away when my hormones balanced out, I can assure you.

 

[tlcya]

What I want to know is who smeared the 7 year old little boy, Kyron?

Does anybody think bashing his Mother and Father is a good thing? I suppose some do so long as it takes the focus off the last adult entrusted with his care when he vanished to heaven knows where.

Your post seems to suggest that bashing Desiree and Kaine is not to be tolerated as it interferes with and removes focus from the justified smearing of Terri.

I hope I have misinterpreted you. IMO the smearing of anyone involved til we have an arrest is dangerous territory I for one want no part of.

 

[SuziQ]

I'm not buying this carp. If she did this to Kyron, it wasn't some erratic emotional outburst or mood swing, but a carefully planned sneaky evil plot.
I think Kaine is trying to find solace in the fact his entire life with this woman wasn't some big lie, and he surely feels guilt over Kyron's disappearance. It's easier to blame something else, something outwardly, than believe the person you loved, married, and had kids with is a liar and capable of hurting you and your child. It's easier than believing you were that blind and foolish to not see it. Not saying Kaine was blind or foolish but just that HE probably feels this way, and now he needs an explanation for the unexplainable. It gives people peace of mind to be able to find a reason for the unreasonable.
But anyway....

IMO, women with PPD or PPP can be pretty elaborate with their plans.

 

[Adalena935]

Just read on a Mayo clinic website that it often lasts for a full year, and will recur if not treated properly. I will go get the link and edit it in here, as it has a ton of relevant information. One thing that was repeatedly emphasized was family support and counseling in addition to medications.


http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/postpartum-depression/DS00546

If they never arrest her she won't need any defense.

 

[chasing.halos]

I can say, from personal experience, that PPD is an ugly ugly thing if not treated properly. I certainly was not myself at all. Thankfully I was treated quickly and properly. Knowing that TMH suffered from this just gives a little insight into the possibility of erratic behavior, especially if she was not treated properly for it (we don't know this at this point though).

For anyone suffering from this or that has suffered from this, BIG HUGE HUGS TO YOU. :heart:

 

[Ms Suzanne]

Just read on a Mayo clinic website that it often lasts for a full year, and will recur if not treated properly. I will go get the link and edit it in here, as it has a ton of relevant information. One thing that was repeatedly emphasized was family support and counseling in addition to medications.


http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/postpartum-depression/DS00546

I've had a few babies.Yes,I agree.It could go on for a year.But I doubt hers did.What I'm saying is she probably didn't have PPD at 18 months after her child was born.It's hormonal and PPD is after giving birth.Your hormones do go back to normal.Most of the time it does not recur.The hormones are associated with pregnany and giving birth.I feel any problems they had was probably very mutual and had nothing to do with PPD.

 

[raeann]

Not surprising. It would be kinda silly for LE to hold a pressor to talk about somebody else's pressor.

This seems to be more in response to media requests for confirmation of the information from the family. LE made it clear that the information given out by the family was not being confirmed by them and did not come from them. Everyone is free to interpret that as they choose, I suppose.

The press conference reference was in a separate paragraph, not included with this statement. That indicates they have no impending plans to make any major moves on the case which need to be addressed in a pc.


jmo

 

[human]

I, too believe that everyone wants Kyron back. All LE are not going to want to do anything that makes that not happen.

Whatever is happening is orchestrated. I do not believe that LE along with the FBI is going to let anything come out that they don't want to come out.

I think the media things are also orchestrated.

People want Kyron back.

Whatever it takes for that to happen is what they are doing.

 

[raeann]

If they never arrest her she won't need any defense.

I am not offering the information as a defense for TH specifically, but to contradict the statement made that those with PPD do not love their children. To me, that was an incorrect implication and very hurtful to those posters here on WS that admitted that they had suffered from this problem.

jmo

 

[LadyL]

(respectfully snipped)

Considering how detail-oriented he appears to be, in addition to your point, leads me to believe he's not telling the truth here. I'm sure her meds and docs were paid for by his insurance, too.

my husband has a psych degree and is incredibly anal and he still wouldn't be able to tell you what drugs I'm on - they're in my purse and he doesn't look at the bottles or anything and yes, I'm on his benefits

and worse, I can't even tell you the names b/c the clinical names are so long and the brand names change, depending on the pharmacy (sometimes they give generic stuff)

I know what they're for and that's about it - I recently had a medical for work & had to show the nurse the bottles cause I had no idea the names

and when she asked for dates of illnesses etc., I gave her loose estimates & said check with my doctor for documentation b/c I do not remember that stuff

just some personal experience that makes it easier for me to understand the dynamics of a spouse not necessarily knowing medical history

 

[Ms Suzanne]

The Mayo Clinic, among others, disagree with some of your assesments (from http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/postpartum-depression/DS00546):

Many new moms experience the baby blues after childbirth, which commonly include mood swings and crying spells and fade quickly. But some new moms experience a more severe, long-lasting form of depression known as postpartum depression. Rarely, an extreme form of postpartum depression known as postpartum psychosis develops after childbirth.

There's no single cause for postpartum depression. Physical, emotional and lifestyle factors may all play a role.

With appropriate treatment, postpartum depression usually goes away within a few months. In some cases, postpartum depression lasts up to a year. It's important to continue treatment after you begin to feel better, however. Stopping treatment too early may only lead to a relapse.


I've had a few babies myself, and I had PPD, which can manifest up to a year after delivery. My case of PPD wasn't a short term thing that went away when my hormones balanced out, I can assure you.

What I am trying to say is I honestly don't think she had severe or extreme PPD.Most of the time it does go away after giving birth.Her baby was 18 months old.It was probably over and he himself said it was not severe just mood swings.That's very normal.I have had 7 children.I've been here and done this.

 

[jessunlil]

(SBM)

Forget what other adults in my household are 'on' at any given time for any given malidy. My hubby's been on two meds for decades. I couldn't spell them this minute if my life depended on it, yet I do love him dearly and we've been man and wife for nearly half a century. I'd hate to be accused of misconduct like Kaine is by some. Overnight the biological parents have become the brunt of criticism. It's just wrong in my opinion to blame them. I don't believe law enforcement thinks they harmed their own son for one minute.

I just wanted to back you up on this.
My husband took blood pressure & cholesterol meds for awhile & I could not tell you their names off the top of my head. I know that he tried a few different meds until they found the combo that worked for him & I'd probably recognize the med names from a list but I could not produce them on my own.

For me, the names just aren't particularly easy to remember because they don't give any indication of what they are, they're just a combination of letters that don't compute.
Hubby was on Aciphex for a little while & I have no problem remembering that one because the pronunciation made us laugh and because "aci" is like "acid" & it was used for acid reflux issues.

It's not that I didn't/don't care, it's that my brain needs to be able to reference things in that way. Maybe Kaine's is the same way.

 

[RubyRed]

The message seems to be: "We have crucified you and burned you at the stake, now we are going to tell your private medical information to the world, BUT it is only because we want to give you a break".

I agree with the other posters who mentioned that he contradicted himself repeatedly. Three 'stories'...a year or so/ watch her for six months/ then up until a month or two ago.

jmo

Edited to add...DY better not be a nurse if she is going on national television shows and discussing someone else's medical condition and medication without their legal release to do so.

bbm

I haven't heard her say any such thing.

 

[Jersey*Girl]

If I were a speculating type of person, I'd speculate that Desiree found out that it wasn't a platonic relationship between her husband and Terri 7 and 1/2 years ago.

completely agree

 

[chasing.halos]

I am not offering the information as a defense for TH specifically, but to contradict the statement made that those with PPD do not love their children. To me, that was an incorrect implication and very hurtful to those posters here on WS that admitted that they had suffered from this problem.

jmo

TY. I think it just reiterates that a lot of people do not know about nor understand PPD (just a fact, not trying to be demeaning or anything). For me it was actually an intense worry that something would happen to my child. I would imagine terrible things happening, such as a car accident, and then envision what the aftermath would look like. Ugh, it was awful. So it affects people differently. I didn't want to ever let go of my baby because I had so much anxiety that something would happen to him. I would just sit and cry while holding him.

Just my experience.

 

[DJ3569]

Does anyone know if she was breastfeeding? I would think if she was this also could have her hormones out of whack.

 

[SuziQ]

IMO, Sometimes PPD and PPP can develope into something long term and seems to be hard to keep under control. TH may have been worse off than Kaine and the Docs realized.