Kaine tells us about Terri and PPD - what role does it play in this case, if any?

[Adalena935]

I believe these press events with DY & KH are very much planned and orchestrated with direction from FBI or other LE experts. I believe they are well coached on what and what not to say. Under such circumstances, I believe they were instructed NOT to say the names of any medications at this time in the investigation. I believe that when this case comes to trial, IF TH is the one accused, specific medications will play a huge role in the evidence. But at this juncture, I think it will only be referred to in passing so as not to muddy the waters. Imagine if KH had identified a specific AD in the interviews as one TH was taking regularly. The pharmaceutical company would have the beginning of a PR nightmare, and countless people taking that Rx would perhaps worry about being 'like TH'. That may still happen, but we won't know yet until a trial. Right now we just need to FIND KYRON. And if KH's description of TH's PPD, without disclosing the specific med, helps accomplish that by affecting public opinion into being a bit more understanding of what might have led to this tragedy, I'm all for it.

Very insightful post, thanks. I agree with all you've said but I'd like to add that I think they might be trying to perhaps calm her into telling where she put Kyron if it's true she's involved in his disappearance. I sure wouldn't blame them for trying.

 

[tlcya]

I suffered from PPD but not the can't bond, disengaged from my baby variety. I hated everyone else in the world tho. Even today, I cannot explain it. I just know I was moody to the point of hair trigger. One monet weeping inconsolably, the next raging and throwing things at my husbands (yep plural), followed by the most tender loving mother everyone in the world feelings.

It was frightening to have my own emotions be so far out of my own control.

Thankfully after a violent episode in which I physically went after hubby number two, I called the doc and they got me some meds.

By the time I was preggers with number three, I had doc put me on the meds DURING pregnancy so that there would not be that several weeks of getting the meds through my system after baby came.

If PPD IS a factor, and I am not saying it is, I wonder if Terri had the sort of PPD I had, hating Kaine, resenting Kyron suddenly when she had not expereinced such an emotion prior. I say this because when I went after my husband (post 2nd baby) I was eqaully enraged at my 14 year old son. To this day I cannot tell you why.

 

[cluciano63]

Wow, this is a hot issue. And yet Kaine coming out with this only says to me that Terri had not been acting "normally" for some period since the baby was born and that she had been under a doctor's care. What I get most from this revelation is that it is less and less likely that Kyron is "being held someplace."

Also I do believe MCSO when they say that none of the information the family is now discussing is coming from them. I do not believe they have been orcehstrating the family's PC's. I think the dams broke for the parents and they are talking about anything they think might help explain, or help solve, this tragedy that has overtaken their lives.

 

[twzzlrgirl]

TY. I think it just reiterates that a lot of people do not know about nor understand PPD (just a fact, not trying to be demeaning or anything). For me it was actually an intense worry that something would happen to my child. I would imagine terrible things happening, such as a car accident, and then envision what the aftermath would look like. Ugh, it was awful. So it affects people differently. I didn't want to ever let go of my baby because I had so much anxiety that something would happen to him. I would just sit and cry while holding him.

Just my experience.

Mine was the same way. I was terrified to leave our apartment, after my daughter was born, because I was afraid something would happen. Thank God my family/husband stepped in to help.

JMHO, TH may have had PPD, but I don't believe for a minute that it had something to do with Kyron's disappearance or hiring a hit man to kill Kaine (if these two things turn out to be true). I honestly believe it came down to her having the daughter she wanted, she wanted her own life back, and she decided to get rid of the two people who were keeping her from that. MOO, as usual

 

[Adalena935]

IMO, Sometimes PPD and PPP can develope into something long term and seems to be hard to keep under control. TH may have been worse off than Kaine and the Docs realized.

If she ever ends being brought to justice for perhaps harming Kyron I believe her lawyers will have a very difficult time selling to jurors how she found her way clear to hire a hitman for husband and work out at the gym regularly while in the throes of severe post partum depression for nearly two years and then ooops harmed somebody else's child while managing to never harm her own. Or any type depression for that matter. In an instance such as that the prosecution would be aptly armed. My personal opinion.

I know depression exists and postpartum, but it's beat like a dead horse at times also in my opinion.

 

[seeking truth]

I feel he needs to quit talking now.All of this really is starting to look like a severe smear on her.First nothing from them.Now all this?

Why would Kaine QUIT talking now? My gosh, he's just getting started. He wants to find his son. He knows who has the answers. So, he is going to use any (legal) method at his disposal to do so. Wouldn't most desperate, dedicated, loving parents do anything they could to encourage the person who they believe has information about their missing child to be HONEST?

The "SMEARING" (Suzanne's term) seems light, and an unimportant factor right now, if that is even the correct term for what Desiree and Kaine are doing. Kaine's giving Terri an "out" with the revelation that she suffered from PPD and it is actually a kind thing to do. Desiree has every right to be honest about her beliefs and feeling about
Terri. She has every right to speak freely and openly. Desiree quite possibly sees this as one of her duties Kyron; to state that she knows Terri to be a liar, that she is angry, and, most importantly, that she knows in her gut that this woman is responsible for whatever happened to her son.

MY OPINIONS

 

[twzzlrgirl]

Why would Kaine QUIT talking now? My gosh, he's just getting started. He wants to find his son. He knows who has the answers. So, he is going to use any (legal) method at his disposal to do so. Wouldn't most desperate, dedicated, loving parents do anything they could to encourage the person who they believe has information about their missing child to be HONEST?

The "SMEARING" (Suzanne's term) seems light, and an unimportant factor right now, if that is even the correct term for what Desiree and Kaine are doing. Kaine's giving Terri an "out" with the revelation that she suffered from PPD and it is actually a kind thing to do. Desiree has every right to be honest about her beliefs and feeling about
Terri. She has every right to speak freely and openly. Desiree quite possibly sees this as one of her duties Kyron; to state that she knows Terri to be a liar, that she is angry, and, most importantly, that she knows in her gut that this woman is responsible for whatever happened to her son.

MY OPINIONS

If I thought my husband had my child I would air every piece of dirty laundry I had on him (one little bomb a day) until he was so smeared his life in prison would be pleasant in comparison.

Ha -- the mama bear in me coming out. Seriously, I would make life a living HELL for anyone I thought had or had done something to my child.

 

[azwriter]

I have to admit something. I had my boy in 1985. The AIDS epidemic was in full blown and not a lot was known about it and it was always fatal. I had lived in Los Angeles and dated a man I found out later was bi. After that I got married and pregnant. With all the news about AIDS coming out I became obsessed that I had it and would give it to my baby. I don't even know if there was a test yet for it. After he was born I was terrified that because of my bad choices my baby was going to suffer. I honestly thought I had gotten it from being with a bi man and passed it to my son. I started making plans to kill myself and the baby. I was going to park in the garage and turn the car on. I told no one, I was so ashamed. I felt like I was a bad person and didn't deserve such a wonderful baby and because of me he was going to suffer and die. This went on for a while before I could finally talk to my doctor about it. He assured me that chances of me having contracted the virus was very low even though I had unprotected sex. He educated me about the disease and why he was sure I didn't have it. I was afraid he would lock me up I was so fearful.
The bottom line is that after a while and due to educating myself I eventually stopped being obsesses and fearful. I don't remember if he had given medication, he might have. The point is my thinking was out of control irrational and because of my shame I kept it hiden. Thank God I never carried out my plans but I loved my baby too much. I was just fearful that I had condemned him to a terrible disease and we would both die. It seemed perfectly rational at the time. It did pass once I was aware that I had no signs and I allowed reality to come into the picture.
The point I am trying to make is how difficult PPD is. I think I may have even passed into PPP because my thinking was so irrational. I could have hurt myself and my baby if I didn't get help. It was only a few weeks thank God but I can understand how that can affect an otherwise normal person. Looking back I couldn't believe how consumed with fear I was over something that was very unlikely to happen.
If Terri had PPD or worse PPP I can see her becoming fixated on Kyron and maybe she felt there was something evil about him that she had to eliminate. I have heard other woman say they killed their baby because they were sure it was possessed by the devil or would go to hell. Terri didn't focus on her own child though but she may have focused on Kyron and a real threat to her baby. She might have convinced herself that he was dangerous and would hurt her baby if she didn't do something. I can see how it twists you mind and make you believe straight out lies and feel like you are the only one to fix this. My experience happened a few weeks after my baby was born but I can see how it could continue on, especially if she were feeding into it.
I am thinking Kaine is handing Terri a defense right on a silver platter for whatever reason. He may feel guilty for not doing more or helping more of leaving with the kids. It sounds like he is a lot of pain right now.
I'm not excusing anything Terri may have done because of these problems. She still has to be accountable for her actions. I just think that maybe Terri wasn't in control and wasn't able to get in control and had to listen to the voices that convince you to do something evil in order to protect your baby. God help her.

Oh Dairy Girl, I'm so sorry you went through all that torture and misunderstanding. It must have been horrible. You're very brave to have shared your experience here. I sincerely hope life is free of stress and worry for you now.
azwriter

 

[Ms Suzanne]

Why would Kaine QUIT talking now? My gosh, he's just getting started. He wants to find his son. He knows who has the answers. So, he is going to use any (legal) method at his disposal to do so. Wouldn't most desperate, dedicated, loving parents do anything they could to encourage the person who they believe has information about their missing child to be HONEST?

The "SMEARING" (Suzanne's term) seems light, and an unimportant factor right now, if that is even the correct term for what Desiree and Kaine are doing. Kaine's giving Terri an "out" with the revelation that she suffered from PPD and it is actually a kind thing to do. Desiree has every right to be honest about her beliefs and feeling about
Terri. She has every right to speak freely and openly. Desiree quite possibly sees this as one of her duties Kyron; to state that she knows Terri to be a liar, that she is angry, and, most importantly, that she knows in her gut that this woman is responsible for whatever happened to her son.

MY OPINIONS

It's gone on way too far and LE said it did not come from them.I think too much focus is on all this and it's really not helping to find Kyron at all.It's sad.The focus needs to stay on Kyron and it's not.It's time for all this to stop.

 

[Adalena935]

Your post seems to suggest that bashing Desiree and Kaine is not to be tolerated as it interferes with and removes focus from the justified smearing of Terri.

I hope I have misinterpreted you. IMO the smearing of anyone involved til we have an arrest is dangerous territory I for one want no part of.

The stepmother was the last adult with Kyron. Known fact of this case call it what you will.

 

[sherbetjello]

Did she go off her medication? How terrible for her...for everyone. moo

Is there a specific medication for PPD?

I didn't think there was, I thought they just gave out combo medications.

 

[tlcya]

The stepmother was the last adult with Kyron. Known fact of this case call it what you will.

Thank you, I shall.

ETA I do not at all dispute that Terri Horman was the last known adulkt to be seen with Kyron. Nor do I dispute that LE should be looking at her very hard, which they are. What I do wholeheartedly disupte is my right to smear ANYONE til I know they are indeed deserving of it. My barometer for that is an arrest warrant. you barometer may differ, and that is fine.

We shall agree to disagree then.

 

[SuziQ]

If she ever ends being brought to justice for perhaps harming Kyron I believe her lawyers will have a very difficult time selling to jurors how she found her way clear to hire a hitman for husband and work out at the gym regularly while in the throes of severe post partum depression for nearly two years and then ooops harmed somebody else's child while managing to never harm her own. Or any type depression for that matter. In an instance such as that the prosecution would be aptly armed. My personal opinion.

I know depression exists and postpartum, but it's beat like a dead horse at times also in my opinion.

Actually I was thinking more along the lines of developing a personality disorder or BI-polar disease. And I wasn't meaning as a legal defense cause I don't see one here. Other than mitigating factors at sentencing, the only legal defense for mental illness is insanity and alot of what you stated above means TH was not insane.

 

[eyes4crime]

What I am trying to say is I honestly don't think she had severe or extreme PPD.Most of the time it does go away after giving birth.Her baby was 18 months old.It was probably over and he himself said it was not severe just mood swings.That's very normal.I have had 7 children.I've been here and done this.

Ms Suzanne - post partum depression is NOT the baby blues! Like other medical illnesses, there seems to be a continuum of severity.

PPD is not something people make up. It involves Dr. visits, medication, therapy, social support. Women with PPD often are put on hormones to help even out the underlying hormonal problem along with antidepressants, and sometimes, if the PPD has gone into postpartum psychosis, you will find an antipsychotic medication.

The diagnosis can be verified with the Dr. and medication purchased will show up on insurance bills and be on the profile at the pharmacy.

I have seen women on anti-D for months who begin to feel better, go off their medications, and relapse only to come back with a psychotic like depression. It can last for a long time, especially if a woman is taken off her meds too early.

PPD and PPP are serious illnesses that can lead a mom to hurt her baby/child. The medications are serious and have many side effects - not something anyone would want to make up.

For anyone questioning the severity PPD and PPP can take please google - Andrea Yates, woman from Texas who murdered her babies due to PPP. It's a chilling story. moo

 

[human]

Why wouldn't the FBI have a profiler or several on this case? Why wouldn't a profiler direct what is said by anyone on this case?

Desiree said in the beginning that they thought the missing child wouldn't be gone so long.

I think they thought right away that Terri had done something to make them upset. some kind of childish "get back at everyone" kind of thing.

Maybe she has done other kinds of things, such as forgetting to pack something and then Desi would have to go out and buy it, such as a favorite toy.

I think a profiler is leading them down the path on how to appeal to Terri.

 

[eyes4crime]

Is there a specific medication for PPD?

I didn't think there was, I thought they just gave out combo medications.

A mom is usually put on an antidepressant, the specific one is determined if she has had successful treatment for depression in a prior time of life. Also if mom is breast feeding an antidepressant will be picked out that has the least side effects for the baby. Often an SSRI is prescribed, especially to non-breast feeding moms.

Next the underlying hormonal balance may be treated - estrogens may be prescribed and/or an estrogen-progesterone med.

IF the postpartum depression should go into a postpartum psychosis, an antipsychotic medication is given.

One or all three will be prescribed. Compliance is necessary and with the side effect profile, compliance can sometimes be difficult.

This is NOT an illness anybody would make up. Psychosis is a break with reality, can be filled with hearing voices, noises, seeing visions, delusions, and can result in harm to self and/or baby. Homicidal and suicidal ideation is serious and needs to be monitored closely.

 

[twzzlrgirl]

I, for one, was never the same after my daughter was born. Whatever went "out of whack" with my hormones, stayed that way. I have been on anti-depressants and was diagnosed with mild bipolar, and have been on meds ever since. She is now 14 years old. I tried getting of the meds two years ago, and seriously wanted to die. It was the scariest 4 months of my life. Once I was back on, I was fine. And I was never on any kind of medication before giving birth.

Just my nightmarish experience to add into the mix. Of course, it may or may not be relevant to this situation at all.....

 

[Ms Suzanne]

Ms Suzanne - post partum depression is NOT the baby blues! Like other medical illnesses, there seems to be a continuum of severity.

PPD is not something people make up. It involves Dr. visits, medication, therapy, social support. Women with PPD often are put on hormones to help even out the underlying hormonal problem along with antidepressants, and sometimes, if the PPD has gone into postpartum psychosis, you will find an antipsychotic medication.

The diagnosis can be verified with the Dr. and medication purchased will show up on insurance bills and be on the profile at the pharmacy.

I have seen women on anti-D for months who begin to feel better, go off their medications, and relapse only to come back with a psychotic like depression. It can last for a long time, especially if a woman is taken off her meds too early.

PPD and PPP are serious illnesses that can lead a mom to hurt her baby/child. The medications are serious and have many side effects - not something anyone would want to make up.

For anyone questioning the severity PPD and PPP can take please google - Andrea Yates, woman from Texas who murdered her babies due to PPP. It's a chilling story. moo

Thank you.I know about all this.I've been through it and I never wanted to kill my baby or ever hurt my children.It appears from the article he said her mood swings were not bad and by the time Kyron came up missing she was over it.It was just hormonal.Maybe they should have not even done an article on it.Again I feel any problems they had were probably very mutual and it did not have anything to do with PPD.I feel way too much focus is on all this and all these things being said when it should be on Kyron.The focus is not on Kyron any more and it needs to be.

 

[WhyaDuck?]

I wonder why people seem so hung up on this idea that this was a big intricate plan. Isn't it just as plausible that, if TH did it, she just killed him in a fit of anger? Perhaps something happened where she had to take him out the vehicle, and things flew out of control, IDK.

I'm not saying from PPD, but this is the only thread that seemed to fit at the moment.

Is it just the landscaper story? Because, otherwise, I don't think we have enough knowledge of TH to know if she really is as conniving as people paint her, KWIM?

I mean, killing in anger is just as bad... I just don't know why it has to be some Master Plan.

MOO.

 

[seeking truth]

I agree and PPD is usually over in about 6 months.I doubt she had it for a year.It's just from hormones from having a baby.Your hormones do get back to normal after a baby.PPD is usually for a short time after giving birth.I've had a few babies so I do know this.PPD is NOT a mental disorder.It's hormonal.

Of course PPD is mental disorder, Ms. Suzanne. Sure, hormones are involved. Brain chemistry is involved. Emotional well-being is affected.

Anti-depressants (and sometimes anti-psychotics, along with other medications that treat mood disorders) are used in the treatment of this serious illness. Where in the world is the literature pointing at PPD as being only a short term illness? Thankfully, for you, it sounds as though it did not last long. For others, it does.

Over in six months? No mental illness has a cut-off date.

Why are you doubting that Terri could have suffered with PPD for a year, or even more? For that matter, what does it really matter at this point? When the answers come as to what happened to Kyron, it may play into Terri's defense, but at this point we have a distraught father sharing intimate details for very pointed reasons. One being, I believe, to let Terri know that there might be some understanding coming her way, not only from Kaine, but from the public as well.

I don't mean to sound confrontational, but I am having a really difficult time with all this doubt being thrown on the veracity of Kaine and Desiree. And the doubting that LE is supportive of these two is insulting to some of us; based on LE's encouragement for Kaine to protect Baby K and himself from this obvious person of interest. Just reading the Restraining Order, we know that they are serious about Terri being a person if interest, whether they want to state that to us or not. We can see that the DA and the judge take this very seriously. It so clear, and has been stated, that Desiree and Kaine are fully cooperating with LE. They all want to find the truth and bring Kyron home; whatever "bringing Kyron home" truly means.

LE can be less than truthful with the public in order to maintain the integrity of their investigation. I doubt they are being less than truthful with Kaine, Desiree, and her husband, Tony. Any statements they make to us, the public, need to be taken with a grain of salt, as what is most important to them, and hopefully to all of us, is to find a way to make this woman talk.

My thoughts on this. My opinions.