Kaine tells us about Terri and PPD - what role does it play in this case, if any?

[PortlandMama]

So which is it? She was fine after 6 months, 12 months or 17 months?

Respectfully snipped.

I haven't had time to read to the end of the thread yet, so my apologies if this has already been addressed. I wonder if the discrepancy could be the result of when she was finally diagnosed with PPD. Say, for example, her behavior changed with the birth of the baby (so they can backdate to birth of baby after diagnosis), she was officially diagnosed with PPD and treatment began at 8 to 10 months out, she was observed by KH (the requisite six months of close observation while under medication) until 14 to 16 months out, and then appeared OK until the disappearance of Kyron at 18 months out. Not saying that's what happened, but it would make the dates fit.

 

[cluciano63]

I wonder why people seem so hung up on this idea that this was a big intricate plan. Isn't it just as plausible that, if TH did it, she just killed him in a fit of anger? Perhaps something happened where she had to take him out the vehicle, and things flew out of control, IDK.

I'm not saying from PPD, but this is the only thread that seemed to fit at the moment.

Is it just the landscaper story? Because, otherwise, I don't think we have enough knowledge of TH to know if she really is as conniving as people paint her, KWIM?

I mean, killing in anger is just as bad... I just don't know why it has to be some Master Plan.

MOO.

I wrote this same thing yesterday, someplace...I don't see Terri as some mastermind who committed the perfect crime. She probably is stunned that she has not been arrested and that Kyron has not been found. I think the most elaborate part of whatever happened might be something like driving around a while to try to spread out her cell pings, if that. I think she blew, hurt Kyron and left his body someplace and then spent some time driving aorund before she dared return home. So she wouldn't really have an alibi if this is the case. But I am not buying into some plot so clever and diabolical that not even the FBI can crack the case. I think they just can't find Kyron's body.

 

[WhyaDuck?]

I wrote this same thing yesterday, someplace...I don't see Terri as some mastermind who committed the perfect crime. She probably is stunned that she has not been arrested and that Kyron has not been found. I think the most elaborate part of whatever happened might be something like driving around a while to try to spread out her cell pings, if that. I think she blew, hurt Kyron and left his body someplace and then spent some time driving aorund before she dared return home. So she wouldn't really have an alibi if this is the case. But I am not buying into some plot so clever and diabolical that not even the FBI can crack the case. I think they just can't find Kyron's body.

The threads are starting to fly out of control for me, so I must have missed your post. So accept this in lieu of a Thank You on that post, wherever it is.

I think we all tend to go "conniving b*tch" very fast when considering a woman guilty. Especially a stepmom. It's like men are perceived to act on impulse, but women are schemers. Very odd. MOO.

 

[eyes4crime]

Thank you.I know about all this.I've been through it and I never wanted to kill my baby or ever hurt my children.It appears from the article he said her mood swings were not bad and by the time Kyron came up missing she was over it.It was just hormonal.Maybe they should have not even done an article on it.Again I feel any problems they had were probably very mutual and it did not have anything to do with PPD.I feel way too much focus is on all this and all these things being said when it should be on Kyron.The focus is not on Kyron any more and it needs to be.

Important to remember that Kaine is giving the evaluation of his wife's PPD. We have no idea if what he said is accurate. His description of 'mood swings' might indicate an agitated depression. We don't know if he was in contact with her doctor or if he is just guessing. Sometimes mood swings in a depression can be even more serious.

As for you never wanting to hurt/kill your baby - that's great, I"m glad for you! However there are woman who do - and that needs to be taken seriously. Homicidal and suicidal ideation can be serious with PPD/PPP.

We have no idea if Terri's PPD resulted in any harm to Kyron. Until we know the severity of her illness, the most we can do is consider it a possibility and that alone, might help find Kyron. moo

 

[Ms Suzanne]

Of course PPD is mental disorder, Ms. Suzanne. Sure, hormones are involved. Brain chemistry is involved. Emotional well-being is affected.

Anti-depressants (and sometimes anti-psychotics, along with other medications that treat mood disorders) are used in the treatment of this serious illness. Where in the world is the literature pointing at PPD as being only a short term illness? Thankfully, for you, it sounds as though it did not last long. For others, it does.

Over in six months? No mental illness has a cut-off date.

Why are you doubting that Terri could have suffered with PPD for a year, or even more? For that matter, what does it really matter at this point? When the answers come as to what happened to Kyron, it may play into Terri's defense, but at this point we have a distraught father sharing intimate details for very pointed reasons. One being, I believe, to let Terri know that there might be some understanding coming her way, not only from Kaine, but from the public as well.

I don't mean to sound confrontational, but I am having a really difficult time with all this doubt being thrown on the veracity of Kaine and Desiree. And the doubting that LE is supportive of these two is insulting to some of us; based on LE's encouragement for Kaine to protect Baby K and himself from this obvious person of interest. Just reading the Restraining Order, we know that they are serious about Terri being a person if interest, whether they want to state that to us or not. We can see that the DA and the judge take this very seriously. It so clear, and has been stated, that Desiree and Kaine are fully cooperating with LE. They all want to find the truth and bring Kyron home; whatever "bringing Kyron home" truly means.

LE can be less than truthful with the public in order to maintain the integrity of their investigation. I doubt they are being less than truthful with Kaine, Desiree, and her husband, Tony. Any statements they make to us, the public, need to be taken with a grain of salt, as what is most important to them, and hopefully to all of us, is to find a way to make this woman talk.

My thoughts on this. My opinions.

I will say this and then we can drop it and move on please.It is hormonal from having a baby.He said in the newspaper article it was not severe for her and she was over it.It's a done deal.It's over and she did not appear to be any more problems.It was just from having a baby. I'm moving on.What is everyone doing right now to find Kyron.Any searches ect...

 

[keeponsearching]

I wrote this same thing yesterday, someplace...I don't see Terri as some mastermind who committed the perfect crime. She probably is stunned that she has not been arrested and that Kyron has not been found. I think the most elaborate part of whatever happened might be something like driving around a while to try to spread out her cell pings, if that. I think she blew, hurt Kyron and left his body someplace and then spent some time driving aorund before she dared return home. So she wouldn't really have an alibi if this is the case. But I am not buying into some plot so clever and diabolical that not even the FBI can crack the case. I think they just can't find Kyron's body.

yes. I have been wondering the same thing. I am just stuck on one thing, if its was a quick moment thing, how can she hide a body so well... I just don't get it. You think she would of been stress knowing that they had role call coming up. If she was on the island with him, I have heard most women use water to hide children.... Have they checked all of the water areas, are there any wells on the island....

 

[Kimster]

STOP the rumors. Now.

STOP sleuthing Desiree. Now.

Continue to discuss the possibilities of PPD in Terri.

This post is landing at random in this thread.

 

[seeking truth]

It's gone on way too far and LE said it did not come from them.I think too much focus is on all this and it's really not helping to find Kyron at all.It's sad.The focus needs to stay on Kyron and it's not.It's time for all this to stop.

How is the focus anywhere else but on Kyron? What do you think needs to stop? Law Enforcement is not saying much at all. For an LE spokesperson to state that the words coming out of Desiree and Kaine's mouth last night and this morning are not from LE is obvious. Kaine and Desiree are speaking to their individual relationships with Terri. And, I for one, believe that this is all being coordinated by, and has the blessing of all the law enforcement agencies involved in this investigation. It's basically been stated that this is the case.

LE has NOT come out and stated that Desiree and Kaine are lying when they say they are working closely with LE every day.

What is NOT said is often more important than what IS said.

My opinions and thoughts on this.

 

[Searchfortruth]

It's very easy for someone with depression to convince themselves that they have no problem and discontinue medication (it's the same with many mental illnesses). Many AD's cause weight gain and for a person who is concerned about that, discontinuance is also common.

 

[raeann]

Kaine's statement that she appeared to be better but may have been hiding it just shows that his intent was to make the accusations and insinuations, yet absolve himself of any knowledge or responsibility. If she was "over it" and just fine and he KNEW it, then what was the point of even bringing it up, other than to further throw stones? Really, how does saying she had this disorder, we knew it, she was treated for it, I did my 6 mo. watchdog job, she seemed to be better.....it's not my fault.....how does any of that contribute to finding Kyron in any way? Either it HAS something to do with Kyron and needed to be mentioned to the media....or it has nothing to do with Kyron and was only revealed as part of the smear campaign. KH and DY seem to want it both ways, to put negative information out there against TH, but then turn around and say it has nothing to do with this incident.

jmo

 

[Charlie09]

This is seriously messed up. IDK what else to say.

http://blogs.wweek.com/news/2010/07/08/kaine-horman-kyrons-stepmom-suffered-post-partum-depression/

“As far as I’m concerned, probably up until a month or two before Kyron was gone — and then she could have been hiding it at that point,” Kaine Horman said.

He said the illness manifested in rapid mood swings.
“It wasn’t anything that was overly violent in nature,” Horman said. “It was just really erratic types of swings, from being very emotional to suddenly being very frustrated.”

Horman said he’s not sure what type of medication his wife was on or when she stopped taking it.

How does one hide "erratic mood swings"? As a female who has experienced the wonderful effects of PMS over the years and now the joys of peri-menopause, I will be the first to testify (and my family members will agree lol) that mood swings are not something that can simply be hidden. We're sometimes at the mercy of our endocrine systems, even when we're completely healthy.

And I agree with others who have said if he was "supposed to watch her closely for a six-month period" why didn't he know what medication she was prescribed? IMO, part of watching someone closely who is ill is making sure they take their medication so that they get well.

This stinks. I need to open a few windows to let some air in.

I think we are still looking at hindsight - I think when you are around someone with any illness, mental or physical - you kind of get used to a "New normal" and what would have caught your attention at diagnosis might not at 4 months, and even less at 9 months.

**IF** Terri is responsible every odd look, every smart retort, every over-reaction is slamming together in his mind.....but he's probably like some of us, just not quite able to consider she really did it.

 

[AbbieNormal]

Kaine Horman, father of missing 7-year-old Kyron Horman, told WW in an interview tonight Kyron’s stepmom suffered from post-partum depression and may have been hiding it when the boy disappeared.

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Hiding it? So maybe the medication was working, she stopped and had a relapse - before anyone saw symptoms? How tragic!

Jeez, when I was critically ill even my husband got involved, actually administered my meds to me, as I was not able to remember and take the right meds at the right dose at the right time, for quite some time. He took over the meds and knew everything I was on.
I *wish* is Kaine had been told she had PPD he had researched it on the internet and learned more about it. Thank God I never had it nor did any of my girls or my DIL. My oldest daughter, who is bi-polar, and now finally- after years of rollercoastering- she is stable, and doing very well. But after her baby (who is now 2) was born I was watching her closely for signs of PPD or anything else maybe caused by being bi-polar. She had to go off her meds while she was pregnant and that scared me too. But she did fine.
The internet is such a good tool for researching stuff like this, I wish/ hope he used it to learn more. Drs do not have the time during an appt to explain everything you need to know about PPD.

JMO

abbie

 

[AbbieNormal]

This is seriously messed up. IDK what else to say.

http://blogs.wweek.com/news/2010/07/08/kaine-horman-kyrons-stepmom-suffered-post-partum-depression/

“As far as I’m concerned, probably up until a month or two before Kyron was gone — and then she could have been hiding it at that point,” Kaine Horman said.

He said the illness manifested in rapid mood swings.
“It wasn’t anything that was overly violent in nature,” Horman said. “It was just really erratic types of swings, from being very emotional to suddenly being very frustrated.”

Horman said he’s not sure what type of medication his wife was on or when she stopped taking it.

How does one hide "erratic mood swings"? As a female who has experienced the wonderful effects of PMS over the years and now the joys of peri-menopause, I will be the first to testify (and my family members will agree lol) that mood swings are not something that can simply be hidden. We're sometimes at the mercy of our endocrine systems, even when we're completely healthy.

And I agree with others who have said if he was "supposed to watch her closely for a six-month period" why didn't he know what medication she was prescribed? IMO, part of watching someone closely who is ill is making sure they take their medication so that they get well.

This stinks. I need to open a few windows to let some air in.

I haven't formed an opinion whether I am buying" that she had PPD, but if she did, she did. I just imagine her alone in that house all day, day after day, caring for baby K and Kyron when he wasn't in school, while husband was at work....she might have had no support system. If Kyron had some childhood issues, such as baby jealousy, or maybe occasioanlly hitting the baby, or anything that would set Terri off, maybe she felt Kyron had to go.
This is such a twisted and convoluted story/ family I honestly can't imagine what will come out next. Really, its all irrelevent because the only thing that matters is WHERE IS KYRON?
jmo

 

[raeann]

I just find it hard to excuse "not knowing" about medication or how someone is doing, when that person is the one you are leaving in charge of your new baby and a son who would have been only 5 years old at that time. I doubt that any one here on WS would leave their child with a sitter or day care provider if they knew that person was on medication for PPD and having mood swings and erratic behavior. Rather than "watching" her, KH should have been getting therapy for her and WITH her, getting someone to help with the kids and "watch" during the day while he was at work, and making sure to HELP her himself when he was home. BUT, he doesn't report doing any thing of the sort to contribute to her recovery. He doesn't even know if or when she stopped using the medications.

 

[human]

I imagine that exercise is a big part of therapy for any depression. Kaine did say that she went to the gym a few hours a day.

She did say that she was going to enter a body building contest this month, so that does show some strange thinking.

I truly believe that hindsight is 20/20.

 

[Donjeta]

Dunno if she did this but some people who stop using medications and try to purposefully hide it from their family, lying about it. If there is any truth to the hitman story and she was thinking of having him killed she may not felt like communicating her deepest thoughts with him anyway.

 

[Bodhi]

I don't think Kaine is handing Terri a defense. I agree with the previous post that said if she would do anything that would help get her own child back. Perhaps Terri will respond to Kaine's statements by admitting how difficult her mood swings have been, how she'd been trying to hold it all together, and ultimately how she just snapped and....did whatever she may have done to Kyron. It may give her an opening to say it was an accident but here's what happened. And the "here's what happened" to Kyron is what Kaine is determined to find out.
I am not saying Terri was not responsible, or that she had PPP or PPD. But after all the hostility, some statements of understanding from her husband may elicit a sudden break and lead to finding Kyron. Any legal proceeding has to be a secondary consideration. First, he wants to find his child.

 

[Calliope]

K & D on the CBS Early Show.


They are not denying someone else maybe involved. In fact they are hoping someone else is because that would mean Kyron is being taken care of.

K - Were not having money problems.
K to the ? "Were either of you having an affair?" - K - Not that I am aware of.

D says her first thought when she got the phone call that Kyron went missing from Terri - You better not have done anything to my son.

http://www.cbsnews.com/video/watch/?id=6661870n&tag=related;photovideo

IF she was that distrustful of Terri, why wasn't Kyron in her custody? I can't imagine having my child with someone who I'd think something like that right off the bat. But then again... in the Q&A yesterday, she indicates just the opposite; says she was 'blindsided' by all of this.

 

[Calliope]

bbm

I haven't heard her say any such thing.

Even if she did, it wouldn't fall under HIPAA, etc.

 

[AbbieNormal]

You have to remember, Kaine is a man. Men just don't pay enough attention, especially when it's women problems. When I've had mood swings around my husband, he gives me space, and even if we talk about it later, we don't talk for a long time, just enough that we know everything is back to normal and we can move on. My point is, if something were severely wrong with me, I'm sure my husband would know, but I'm not sure how closely he'd watch me or if he'd even pay attention to what medication I'm on unless it's one he already knows about, especially if it's a woman problem. He already doesn't like me talking about a period or women things like tampons or pads. He doesn't even want to think about his daughter becoming a woman. Men don't like to fixate on woman problems, even PPD.

Also, men just want things to be fixed. I'm sure he did watch her, and probably knew she was on medication, and that was the extent of it. He probably just wanted her fixed, probably wanted the problem to go away, and like every man, doesn't understand that some problems can't just be fixed. It takes time, and even with time, there's no guarantee she was going to be PPD free someday.

He probably had the hope that she would be okay and never dreamed she would get to the point where she would harm someone. There's a big difference between someone who is sick and needs help, and someone who would harm someone else. I doubt Kaine ever thought she would hurt one of his kids, and why would he necessarily make that leap?

I'm not going to come down hard on Kaine with something like this. Men just don't understand things like PPD, or PPP, or heck, even PMS, or PMDD. When it comes to women problems, men leave that to the women. Now if it's a man problem, they know all about that and will handle that, but don't want to talk about it.

Yes, maybe he should have paid more attention, and if he was a woman, he would have, but he's a man, and they just don't pay enough attention. Heck, I have to tell my husband and dad when I get a haircut because unless I shave my head, they wouldn't notice otherwise. Now the women in my life would notice if I cut just an inch. That's just how it is with men and women.

ITA. My hubby is exactly the same way as far as noticing when I used to change my hair color or cut it. Men don't "get" horomonal issues and most don;t even try to understand because frankly, most men think womens emotions and PMS and horomonal surges, and menopause, are just the biggest mysteries and they just cannot wrap their minds around it. I had to instruct my hubby during my mood swings that I was powerless over it, so we didn't get into fights during my crazy times.
And BTW hubby will trim his beard shorter and will say to me "I trimmed it up 2 days ago and you didn't even notice...", and its true, I don't notice...,